Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped

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  • slim_boy_fat
    slim_boy_fat Posts: 1,810
    The Mad Rapper wrote:
    Our favourite saffer poses an interesting question:

    Michelle Cound ‏@michellecound

    Have my doubts about this "confession", but lets face it, @lancearmstrong isn't the problem, the fact that he never tested positive is.
    Can't disagree with that. And if he does implicate the UCI in all of this then his confession, however much it's meant, will be worth it.
  • TMR
    TMR Posts: 3,986
    Jez mon wrote:
    Then he should get some evidence, as opposed to saying the same thing over and over? He's complaining on twitter about being unemployed I see, well, there must be some media company somewhere who would love to take down someone who is a poster boy for Murdoch's empire?

    Much anger I sense in you.

    Perhaps he hasn't got any evidence yet? Perhaps he's merely drawing parallels between what he's seen in the past and what he sees now. How the **** would I know? Give him a call and ask him.
  • mattybeck
    mattybeck Posts: 135
    meggiedude wrote:
    mattybeck wrote:
    meggiedude wrote:
    mattybeck wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    mattybeck wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    ThomThom wrote:
    Cav going mental over Lance questions:

    http://www.itv.com/news/2013-01-15/cycl ... questions/

    He might as well get used to it come the tour.

    Cavdendish can come accross as a right effin wean sometimes. Man up, FFS. Close to being another Liam Gallagheresque 'hard man'. Journo is doing is job.

    Here's tabloid journalism 101 for you: Ask celebrity a question on contraversial subject. If he gives a boring non-commital answer then you have no story and you have wasted your time, so keep asking the same question over and over again to wind him up. When he reacts you have your story.


    Aye, the last few years really do show the value in having pliant cycling journos afraid to upset riders. Let's not go back to that.
    There's a difference between not wanting to upset riders by asking difficult relevant questions, and deliberating baiting them to get a reaction.
    Yes Cav, is Cav and it doesn't take too many of the same questions to get this kind of reaction, but then the parasite knew that and got his prize.
    Story moves from "Cav tells journo to F-off" to "Cav obviously has something to hide, as per LA" etc etc
    That's not journos doing "their job", its paparazzi parasite style journalism.

    In this week of all weeks (when presumably everyone on here has had to defend the sport to friends and colleages), it's fine for him to mouth a Wenger style platitude of 'i haven't seen it'
    No comment about it on his twitter, no comment on his website. From one of the world's best riders?

    Cadel Evans perhaps recognises his responsibilty this week by his comment yesterday

    "Don't let the actions of a few determine the way you feel about an entire group"
    Responsibility??
    We'll have to agree to disagree on this mate, because there is no way you can persuade me he has an obligation to be a diplomat here. He's a pigging cyclist.
    He's probably been asked about LA and drugs a thousand times, both before and after the latest story broke.
    Then he was " repeatedly asked his opinion about Lance Armstrong's 'doping confession'" and later "As he sat down for another round of interviews, he immediately snapped when a reporter appeared to begin asking him an Armstrong related question". Don't Blame him.
    This journo wanted someone to react, and yes Cav is easy meat.
    As said by others above its lazy journalist (at best)

    I think they do have a responsibility to continually convince that the sport (and the peloton's attitude) has tunred the corner. I can understand why clean riders (as i believe Cav and Wiggins most definately are) get pissed off being asked about LA and/or doping but we were fed so much manure during the high epo era that riders should perhaps expect their feet to be held to the fire a little more than they find comfortable.
    Also the uber aggresive reaction to the questions and 'the look' in the photo was a poor show.
  • TMR
    TMR Posts: 3,986
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    Can't disagree with that. And if he does implicate the UCI in all of this then his confession, however much it's meant, will be worth it.

    I would LOVE to see LA drop Fat Pat right in it.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    EPC06 wrote:
    Kimmage has emerged once again....quelle surprise.
    accusing wiggo of following LA's blueprint for success. poor
    He also basically says that if he still had a job he would use it solely to pursue his own agenda. This is why you don't have a job, Paul.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • epc06
    epc06 Posts: 216
    RichN95 wrote:
    EPC06 wrote:
    Kimmage has emerged once again....quelle surprise.
    accusing wiggo of following LA's blueprint for success. poor
    He also basically says that if he still had a job he would use it solely to pursue his own agenda. This is why you don't have a job, Paul.
    Haha, agree with that
  • meggiedude
    meggiedude Posts: 257
    mattybeck wrote:
    I think they do have a responsibility to continually convince that the sport (and the peloton's attitude) has tunred the corner. I can understand why clean riders (as i believe Cav and Wiggins most definitely are) get pissed off being asked about LA and/or doping but we were fed so much manure during the high epo era that riders should perhaps expect their feet to be held to the fire a little more than they find comfortable.
    Also the uber aggresive reaction to the questions and 'the look' in the photo was a poor show.
    As I say - your opinion, not mine - so let's leave it there shall we.
    Peace
    MD
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  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    The Mad Rapper wrote:
    Jez mon wrote:
    Then he should get some evidence, as opposed to saying the same thing over and over? He's complaining on twitter about being unemployed I see, well, there must be some media company somewhere who would love to take down someone who is a poster boy for Murdoch's empire?

    Much anger I sense in you.

    Perhaps he hasn't got any evidence yet? Perhaps he's merely drawing parallels between what he's seen in the past and what he sees now. How the **** would I know? Give him a call and ask him.


    I tried to engage (very politely) with him on Twitter. He responded in an aggressive and patronising way, and then cut me off. I wasnt impressed.
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    RichN95 wrote:
    EPC06 wrote:
    Kimmage has emerged once again....quelle surprise.
    accusing wiggo of following LA's blueprint for success. poor
    He also basically says that if he still had a job he would use it solely to pursue his own agenda. This is why you don't have a job, Paul.

    Quite. I read that and wondered WTF he thought that was going to prove?

    And ultimately, it wouldn't matter what the answers were, they'd be wrong.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    The Mad Rapper wrote:
    Jez mon wrote:
    Then he should get some evidence, as opposed to saying the same thing over and over? He's complaining on twitter about being unemployed I see, well, there must be some media company somewhere who would love to take down someone who is a poster boy for Murdoch's empire?

    Much anger I sense in you.

    Perhaps he hasn't got any evidence yet? Perhaps he's merely drawing parallels between what he's seen in the past and what he sees now. How the **** would I know? Give him a call and ask him.

    Sorry, don't meant to sound angry, just feeling a bit wound up as I'm waiting to sit an exam! A lot of Kimmage's anger seems to come from the fact that Sky decided they didn't want him on the tour. Ever since then, Paul has attempted to throw every single bit of crap he could find at sky, in the hope that some of it would stick. If I was feeling really riled up, I could suggest that the behaviour pattern is similar to a certain Texan cyclist!
    You live and learn. At any rate, you live
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Best of luck with the exam, Jez Mon
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,700
    I'd have tweeted back "Yawn" at his tweets but they ve been repeated so many times that my "Yawn" would have necessitated it's own "Yawn"

    I suggest anyone who want s to read more into this digs out the Paul Kimmage Thread from last year - everything said then is still the same as today...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • nathancom
    nathancom Posts: 1,567
    edited January 2013
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    The Mad Rapper wrote:
    Our favourite saffer poses an interesting question:

    Michelle Cound ‏@michellecound

    Have my doubts about this "confession", but lets face it, @lancearmstrong isn't the problem, the fact that he never tested positive is.
    Can't disagree with that. And if he does implicate the UCI in all of this then his confession, however much it's meant, will be worth it.
    I think devices such as this will revolutionize drug testing in the very near future:
    http://news.cnet.com/8301-27083_3-57322416-247/doing-drugs-beware-this-fingerprinting-device/

    They have started using them very recently in UK A&E depts to test patients for a range of illegal drugs. I can definitely see start line tests very soon for athletes which will reduce the effective drug window for sportsmen significantly.
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    adds a whole new meaning to cheats being fingered

    I wish I hadnt just written that
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    and as for Cav's outburst...OPQS have just learned one of the challenges of having the fastest man in the world....Highroad, BC and Sky have all had to deal with it...

    So welcome OPQS! and at only 15 days into the season and before the racing's even started :wink:
  • thomthom
    thomthom Posts: 3,574
    Just another little dump..
    These videos are funny right now.. Look at the line of deers caught in the headlights..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZgns7CXeUI

    I know we've all seen this several times but there's so much interesting stuff to dwell on with this clip. I'd love to make George or Levi watch this and hear what they were thinking at the time.
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    ThomThom wrote:
    Just another little dump..
    These videos are funny right now.. Look at the line of deers caught in the headlights..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZgns7CXeUI

    I know we've all seen this several times but there's so much interesting stuff to dwell on with this clip. I'd love to make George or Levi watch this and hear what they were thinking at the time.


    Reckon they had learned to practice meditation so that they could take themselves to another place at times like this. Surely this has to be a moment they both look back on with shame...or at least wish the video could be made to disappear...but who knows, eh?
  • thomthom
    thomthom Posts: 3,574
    Heh, I think so. Look at them.. George looks like; "shut up, Lance.. shut up, Lance... shut up, Lance..."

    But at the time, this was probably so well integrated in their minds that this was, in fact, the 'truth'.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,700
    http://www.opposingviews.com/i/celebrit ... nd-himself

    Daily Show have a pop....and in doing so show an awful lot of journos what integrity looks like. Cyclismas in particular should watch and pay heed...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • TMR
    TMR Posts: 3,986
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    I tried to engage (very politely) with him on Twitter. He responded in an aggressive and patronising way, and then cut me off. I wasnt impressed.

    Hmmm...that's a shame. He'd have more success if he tried engaging the public and getting his message across.
  • TMR
    TMR Posts: 3,986
    Jez mon wrote:
    Sorry, don't meant to sound angry, just feeling a bit wound up as I'm waiting to sit an exam! A lot of Kimmage's anger seems to come from the fact that Sky decided they didn't want him on the tour. Ever since then, Paul has attempted to throw every single bit of crap he could find at sky, in the hope that some of it would stick. If I was feeling really riled up, I could suggest that the behaviour pattern is similar to a certain Texan cyclist!

    Good luck in your exam fella! :mrgreen:
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    ThomThom wrote:
    Heh, I think so. Look at them.. George looks like; "shut up, Lance.. shut up, Lance... shut up, Lance..."

    But at the time, this was probably so well integrated in their minds that this was, in fact, the 'truth'.


    Possibly. The Convenient Truth and all that
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    its all a lot of fuss about nothing...

    according to our favourite Dutchman

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/verbrug ... s-problems

    Are we ABSOLUTELY sure that he hasnt been replaced by Steve Coogan in character as Alan Partridge?
  • dave_1
    dave_1 Posts: 9,512
    You can see Vandevelde's eyes rolling skyward during Lance's not worth you chair comments
    to Kimmage. Armstrong's strike at the heart of the UCI might be enough for IOC pressure to
    force big change at UCI and open door for CCN.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKBacb2V ... ata_player
  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    ThomThom wrote:
    Just another little dump..
    These videos are funny right now.. Look at the line of deers caught in the headlights..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZgns7CXeUI

    I know we've all seen this several times but there's so much interesting stuff to dwell on with this clip. I'd love to make George or Levi watch this and hear what they were thinking at the time.

    Ive always liked the part where he says he's at the race for Cancer, so he doesn't have to deal with it, so you don't have to deal with it etc etc... seeing as Livestrong were putting nothing into research at all by then I always wondered if you could cure a disease by printing shiny brochures, selling wristbands, making nice websites, pushing a brand. No amount of this would ever result in people 'not having to deal with it', but that it is apparently 'fighting the disease'.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,439
    Dave_1 wrote:
    You can see Vandevelde's eyes rolling skyward during Lance's not worth you chair comments
    to Kimmage. Armstrong's strike at the heart of the UCI might be enough for IOC pressure to
    force big change at UCI and open door for CCN.


    With only 5000 odd signatures on their petition, no national cycling federation behind them and a gobshite in a Che Guevara beret in their little gang, what right to they have to step over the threshold?
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,700
    http://www.sportal.com.au/other-sports- ... bts-217868

    Ligget has a say - not up to his usual standard, but a few good giggles in there
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Dave_1 wrote:
    You can see Vandevelde's eyes rolling skyward during Lance's not worth you chair comments
    to Kimmage. Armstrong's strike at the heart of the UCI might be enough for IOC pressure to
    force big change at UCI and open door for CCN.


    Struggling to understand how you think doors could be opened for CCN to install their favoured Lemond?

    There is a very set and established framework for way in which the UCI is set up, and by which the various levels of representation amonst the member countries is set up. Ditto the voting process. And its a similar set up to that of many international sports governing bodies.

    For all of that to be absolutely torn down....for the life of me cant see that happening.

    What I think is more likely is that Verbruggen and McQuaid are going to be made to resign and a current senior bod on the existing management committee takes over for an interim period to oversee some level of transformation and reorganisation of the UCI. And I wouldnt be surprised if its someone like Brian Cookson.

    Just my thoughts.
  • dave_1
    dave_1 Posts: 9,512
    edited January 2013
    If Dick Pound were right and IOC is about to put pressure on the UCI the UCI then
    there will be change in leadership. But if UCI still polices the sport it profits from then
    uSADa catching LA will have led to no change.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKBacb2V ... ata_player
  • TMR
    TMR Posts: 3,986
    If LA does drop Fat Pat in it, then what are the repercussions for him? Fat Pat I mean.

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