Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped
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Dick Pound saying if Armstrong implicates the UCI, there will be little choice but to look at booting cycling out of the olympicsFckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0
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iainf72 wrote:Dick Pound saying if Armstrong implicates the UCI, there will be little choice but to look at booting cycling out of the olympics
That would be a tough call, considering the history of the 100 metre and most other events. One hell of a lot of mud flinging there.0 -
Do you know what, If they kicked out the Mens Road races, would anyone care? At least Olympic medals for Track, MTB and BMX hold some sort of allure. Not so of cycling (unless we have an iron in the fire)
Think that would be enough of a disaster for the UCI that the relevant changes would be made (although Pat probably still would tn resign). No point in throwing the baby out with the bathwaterWe're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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iainf72 wrote:Dick Pound saying if Armstrong implicates the UCI, there will be little choice but to look at booting cycling out of the olympics
Mmm remind me, who won gold in the road race?0 -
Cornerblock wrote:iainf72 wrote:Dick Pound saying if Armstrong implicates the UCI, there will be little choice but to look at booting cycling out of the olympics
Mmm remind me, who won gold in the road race?
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ddraver wrote:Do you know what, If they kicked out the Mens Road races, would anyone care? At least Olympic medals for Track, MTB and BMX hold some sort of allure. Not so of cycling (unless we have an iron in the fire)
Think that would be enough of a disaster for the UCI that the relevant changes would be made (although Pat probably still would tn resign). No point in throwing the baby out with the bathwater
I'm all for removing all of it from the olympics, so the wooden circle stuff can wither and dieFckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
iainf72 wrote:Dick Pound saying if Armstrong implicates the UCI, there will be little choice but to look at booting cycling out of the olympics
That's a double-bluff/poker stance from Pound; what's his angle?
Basically saying "If Armstrong whistle-blows some UCI brass he'll end up causing more damage to cycling than if he just shuts TFU from now on, now he's owned up..."0 -
"Do you think that the straws, both perfectly bent and pointing at OW & LA, is of any significance?"
For clutching at, perhaps?d.j.
"Cancel my subscription to the resurrection."0 -
The overriding thing in all this to me is that Armstrong is choosing to say what he wants to effectively a chat show host, its media manipulation on his terms. He's ripped people off, sued people, lied endlessly and he chooses to go on TV to control his image.
In short, the guy is a pr1ck and an attention seeking coward.
He should be talking to the people he should be talking to, such as USADA first, then following on with private apologies and admittance to a big list of individuals and companies who deserve it... not farting about on Oprah.
He's had years to practice his 'sincere face' for Oprah, he's used it enough when he's been lying through his teeth.0 -
mfin wrote:The overriding thing in all this to me is that Armstrong is choosing to say what he wants to effectively a chat show host, its media manipulation on his terms. He's ripped people off, sued people, lied endlessly and he chooses to go on TV to control his image.
In short, the guy is a pr1ck and an attention seeking coward.
He should be talking to the people he should be talking to, such as USADA first, then following on with private apologies and admittance to a big list of individuals and companies who deserve it... not farting about on Oprah.
He's had years to practice his 'sincere face' for Oprah, he's used it enough when he's been lying through his teeth.
"We like our credibility".0 -
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andyp wrote:mfin wrote:The overriding thing in all this to me is that Armstrong is choosing to say what he wants to effectively a chat show host, its media manipulation on his terms. He's ripped people off, sued people, lied endlessly and he chooses to go on TV to control his image.
In short, the guy is a pr1ck and an attention seeking coward.
He should be talking to the people he should be talking to, such as USADA first, then following on with private apologies and admittance to a big list of individuals and companies who deserve it... not farting about on Oprah.
He's had years to practice his 'sincere face' for Oprah, he's used it enough when he's been lying through his teeth.
"We like our credibility".
Exactly.
What he's likely going to do is try to move all the focus away from him and up the chain, so he can just be 'another rider in that era'... but he's not, he milked and milked it and made millions at the expense of countless individuals and companies. If only he hadn't been so damn greedy, the worst years for doping would have had multiple figureheads and the wrap would be divvied up. Lance Armstrong has absolutely nothing to do with 'sport'.0 -
OCDuPalais wrote:iainf72 wrote:Dick Pound saying if Armstrong implicates the UCI, there will be little choice but to look at booting cycling out of the olympics
That's a double-bluff/poker stance from Pound; what's his angle?
Basically saying "If Armstrong whistle-blows some UCI brass he'll end up causing more damage to cycling than if he just shuts TFU from now on, now he's owned up..."
Dick and the other rent-a-quotes are afraid no-one will hear them in the ruckus after Friday. If he's so concerned, why doesn't he try and get his IOC co-member Verbruggen chucked out?
The idea of the IOC being the arbiter of sporting morality is laughable.'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'0 -
Probably already been linked to several times in this thread but then call it a bump if so.
Global Cycling Network's great interview with David Walsh: 8/1-2013
Small clips of 2-4 minutes. Nothing overwhelming. Worth a go.
Part1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-HVzkBTzA0
part2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSyLkBIcM_g
Part3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrmGqk3IPwQ
part4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMBtey2QOjE
part5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta2FwUoqkdg
part6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBXovbqY_Mg0 -
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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/lance-legal-fate-rests-ag-holder-hands-article-1.1240710Lance Armstrong's legal fate is apparently now in the hands of U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder.
The Daily News has learned that Department of Justice officials who were leaning heavily toward joining the whistleblower lawsuit filed in 2010 by former Armstrong teammate Floyd Landis have now pulled back from their decision, leaving it in the hands of Holder.
The DOJ officials responsible for making the call on whether to join the suit turned to Holder after being contacted by Armstrong lawyer Robert Luskin in December about a possible settlement based on the $30 million the government agency paid to sponsor Armstrong's Tour de France winning teams.
The U.S. Postal Service had decided to join the lawsuit last month, according to a source familiar with the decision, but will now wait for Holder to make the call.
If the DOJ decides to join the suit, bringing its extensive resources, Armstrong's chances of a civil or criminal conviction become much greater.0 -
mfin wrote:http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/lance-legal-fate-rests-ag-holder-hands-article-1.1240710Lance Armstrong's legal fate is apparently now in the hands of U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder.
The Daily News has learned that Department of Justice officials who were leaning heavily toward joining the whistleblower lawsuit filed in 2010 by former Armstrong teammate Floyd Landis have now pulled back from their decision, leaving it in the hands of Holder.
The DOJ officials responsible for making the call on whether to join the suit turned to Holder after being contacted by Armstrong lawyer Robert Luskin in December about a possible settlement based on the $30 million the government agency paid to sponsor Armstrong's Tour de France winning teams.
The U.S. Postal Service had decided to join the lawsuit last month, according to a source familiar with the decision, but will now wait for Holder to make the call.
If the DOJ decides to join the suit, bringing its extensive resources, Armstrong's chances of a civil or criminal conviction become much greater.
How interesting. LA does a deal with USPS to return the $30 million. , settle with Times and SCA..maybe not bankrupt? Seems if DoJ join then Lance is gonna be flippin burgers for a living if any trusts him.
Had a tweet with innering last night but he wasn't have any of it..adamant 8 year ban was minium..but read elsewhere..my bet is between 2 to 4 years and a CAS appeal to 2 yearsif it's permitted by a reopening of the file. Furthermore, Pound puts it nicely..cycling threatened with removal from IoC. LA will destroy Mcquaid and Verbruggen under oath and Change Cycling Now will put their man forward..amazing to see a toothless groupe like CCN be empowered by the person so many of them hate0 -
pretty decent Oprah interview explaining the last few weeks
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-400_162-575 ... ed-to-win/0 -
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Ignoring the details of the who will sue who, this one really is a crock. This sort of sponsorship is all about brand awareness, can USPS really think they didn't get their monies worth. His actions have ensured that years after they stopped paying there is still pics of him in the USPS kit on the news all the time. Where's the fraud. I don't like him, but the idea that these sponsors didn't get their pound of flesh is just mad.RichN95 wrote:^When are people going to realise that Armstrong and Tailwind are separate entities. Any suit by US Postal for alleged fraud will be against the company not Armstrong personally. They were sponsoring the team for two years before he turned up FFS.0 -
dougzz wrote:
Ignoring the details of the who will sue who, this one really is a crock. This sort of sponsorship is all about brand awareness, can USPS really think they didn't get their monies worth. His actions have ensured that years after they stopped paying there is still pics of him in the USPS kit on the news all the time. Where's the fraud. I don't like him, but the idea that these sponsors didn't get their pound of flesh is just mad.RichN95 wrote:^When are people going to realise that Armstrong and Tailwind are separate entities. Any suit by US Postal for alleged fraud will be against the company not Armstrong personally. They were sponsoring the team for two years before he turned up FFS.
Its not about a pound of flesh or exposure guarantees. Its about the fact the contracts entered into clearly stated that the team were not using PEDS at the time of signing as we know, they were and so they are in breach of these agreements.0 -
iainf72 wrote:ddraver wrote:Do you know what, If they kicked out the Mens Road races, would anyone care? At least Olympic medals for Track, MTB and BMX hold some sort of allure. Not so of cycling (unless we have an iron in the fire)
Think that would be enough of a disaster for the UCI that the relevant changes would be made (although Pat probably still would tn resign). No point in throwing the baby out with the bathwater
I'm all for removing all of it from the olympics, so the wooden circle stuff can wither and die
You do realise that when you die you are going to wake up and find you're in a velodrome watching a madison that never ends0
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