Bring on the track events! *spoiler*

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  • Lichtblick
    Lichtblick Posts: 1,434
    I did not post that, Yellow. You've picked up someone else's post.

    Have not been to London or any other velodrome in my life.

    :?: :shock:
  • bazbadger
    bazbadger Posts: 553
    Oh no, we've won some more medals, obliterated a lot of the competiton and broken some more world records. How depressing. So utterly dull to watch as well. I'm just struggling to get into this.

    There must be some obscure crit I can get into instead?
    Mens agitat molem
  • Yellow Peril
    Yellow Peril Posts: 4,466
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Can't get excited by these wins. If I watch a RR I can go crazy at the finish but watching these i can see how it is impressive but I dont feel anything. It has to be the home advantage FF. The crowd are completely crazy with a brit on the track. The psychological boost is immense.

    Still not sure how they can crush the 2nd best team in the World by seconds. Either the rest of the world is amateur, the uk have a great competitive advantage or money talks.
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Can't get excited by these wins. If I watch a RR I can go crazy at the finish but watching these i can see how it is impressive but I dont feel anything.

    Still not sure how they can crush the 2nd best team in the World by seconds. Either the rest of the world is amateur, the uk have a great competitive advantage or money talks.

    Your loss Frenchie.
    Certainly lottery funding has made a huge difference.
    Never mind, Berto is back in 2 days.
    He'll be beating the 2nd best climber in the world by minutes.
    That will get your excitement juices flowing.
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  • Lichtblick
    Lichtblick Posts: 1,434
    Lichtblick wrote:
    I did not post that, Yellow. You've picked up someone else's post.

    Have not been to London or any other velodrome in my life.

    :?: :shock:


    Having now done a search on "the velodrome is so state of the art" I don't know where you did pick that up from, Yellow, but it wasn't me.
  • kanto
    kanto Posts: 112
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Can't get excited by these wins. If I watch a RR I can go crazy at the finish but watching these i can see how it is impressive but I dont feel anything.

    Still not sure how they can crush the 2nd best team in the World by seconds. Either the rest of the world is amateur, the uk have a great competitive advantage or money talks.

    Well even though they are both cycling, road and track are just so different and they are basically different sports. Like you I can't get into any of this track cycling, and isn't because of the short explosive nature as I like the athletics track events, and the swimming too. Glad to see I'm not the only one who would rather watch other sports than the track cycling.
  • Lichtblick
    Lichtblick Posts: 1,434
    Yellow Peril wrote:
    Lichtblick wrote:
    ok thanks I'm not suprised there are so many records the velodrome is so state of the art. You can see how much technology has moved on since Manchester was built. The 'airlocks' to get in were surreal.




    ANOTHER GOLD MEDAL for GB cycling!! And ANOTHER World Record!!!!

    :D:D:D
    Lichtblick wrote:
    I did not post that, Yellow. You've picked up someone else's post.

    Have not been to London or any other velodrome in my life.

    :?: :shock:
    Lichtblick wrote:

    Having now done a search on "the velodrome is so state of the art" I don't know where you did pick that up from, Yellow, but it wasn't me.

    Having now searched that on Google, Yellow, the only thing it brings up is you alleging that I said that.

    WRONG.

    I notice from this:
    Yellow Peril wrote:
    Just returning from the Olympic park after watching the sprint and omnium this morning. That velodrome is something to behold. As soon as I got in I want down to the track, Bauge and Forsetemann were circulating along the top by the railing, they looked sublime. The noise when Kenny and Clancy rode was unbelievable. It's no wonder records are tumbling. Hoy came in and sat on the rollers for half an hour. I think I saw Jamie Staff in the American camp, has he been recruited by them as a trainer. A first visit to a velodrome for Mrs Peril and the Perilettes, they loved it.

    that you have just back from this Velodrome yourself. I can only assume that what you posted in my name was some sort of cut+paste from something you have written yourself, elsewhere.

    :?:
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,576
    kanto wrote:
    Well even though they are both cycling, road and track are just so different and they are basically different sports.

    Sorry, but that's complete rubbish.
  • knedlicky
    knedlicky Posts: 3,097
    kanto wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Can't get excited by these wins. If I watch a RR I can go crazy at the finish but watching these i can see how it is impressive but I dont feel anything.
    Well even though they are both cycling, road and track are just so different and they are basically different sports. Like you I can't get into any of this track cycling, and isn't because of the short explosive nature as I like the athletics track events, and the swimming too. Glad to see I'm not the only one who would rather watch other sports than the track cycling.
    andyp wrote:
    Sorry, but that's complete rubbish.
    The reason I find some cycling track events uninteresting, like the pursuit and team sprint, and also the flying start and TT in the omnium, is that (unlike the points race) they aren’t competitions against opponents.
    They are the cycling world equivalents of throwing the hammer/discus or the long jump. Yes there are other competitors, but basically one just has to cycle/throw or jump as fast/far as one can.

    There are more tactics even in the high jump and in weight-lifting than in these cycle track events, because participants in those competitions decide what height/weight to jump/lift, and even though the 100 m running event isn't dissimilar (run as fast as one can), in that having one's opponents in one's vision surely plays a role.
  • oneof1982
    oneof1982 Posts: 703
    kanto wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:

    Well even though they are both cycling, road and track are just so different and they are basically different sports. quote]

    Not sure that (Sir) David Brailsford would agree with you, and he seems to know quite a lot about it.
  • fastercyclist
    fastercyclist Posts: 396
    andyp wrote:
    kanto wrote:
    Well even though they are both cycling, road and track are just so different and they are basically different sports.

    Sorry, but that's complete rubbish.

    +1

    Ominum has a similar spirit to road races with both the points race and elimination race.

    The elimination race was some of the most exciting cycling I've seen all year, it was amazing watching them all fight to not be the last over the line :lol:

    I do sympathise with people saying track sprints aren't that interesting, I don't enjoy watching running sprints and same for on the track.
    The British Empire never died, it just moved to the Velodrome
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    It's not the same as road.

    They don't turn right and they don't go uphill. Ever.

    Don't even get teams in the bunch starts.
    _
  • PuttyKnees
    PuttyKnees Posts: 381
    Track does have its less than exciting parts - mostly the TT bits. But let's face it - TT is boring on road as well so it's not just track :P Match sprint, pursuits, devil race and the scratch & sprint are all great - smashing mix of tactics and power - what's not to like?

    I do wonder where the sport will go though. I hope that Australia and France up their game, and I hope that the IOC stop capping the numbers so we can have a proper competition, otherwise it's going to get old fast.
  • andrew_s
    andrew_s Posts: 2,511
    Lichtblick wrote:
    Lichtblick wrote:
    I did not post that, Yellow. You've picked up someone else's post.

    Have not been to London or any other velodrome in my life.

    :?: :shock:


    Having now done a search on "the velodrome is so state of the art" I don't know where you did pick that up from, Yellow, but it wasn't me.
    Yellow is getting confused with his replies, posting in the middle of the quoted post rather than below as normal.
    See also his reply to FF
  • oldwelshman
    oldwelshman Posts: 4,733
    afx237vi wrote:
    And now the goons in blazers DQ the Venezuelan for... ? Riding in a straight line?
    he did not ride in a straight line, the sprint started and he was outside the red line so perkins saw the lane available to him so he went for it and was under the other guy when he dropped into the red line thats why he was DQ'd. The tv reply showed the collision which looked as if it was perkins fault but the infringement was before that.
    Great ride by the women Pursuit. 6 world records last six races wow.
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  • Yellow Peril
    Yellow Peril Posts: 4,466
    Apologies to Lichtblick and FF. I was trying to post on my Blackberry on the train home and screwed up some replies. Haven't discovered the rest of Clancy's results for yesterday following the flying lap. How did he do?
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    Yellow Peril wrote:
    Apologies to Lichtblick and FF. I was trying to post on my Blackberry on the train home and screwed up some replies. Haven't discovered the rest of Clancy's results for yesterday following the flying lap. How did he do?

    11th in the points, 5th in the elimination.

    Overnight satndings:

    1 Bryan Coquard (France) 10pts
    2 Elia Viviani (Italy) 13
    3 Glenn O'Shea (Australia) 14
    4 Edward Clancy (Great Britain) 17
    5 Lasse Norman Hansen (Denmark) 18
    6 Roger Kluge (Germany) 19
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  • Yellow Peril
    Yellow Peril Posts: 4,466
    A tall order for Clancy then. He may medal but he must be fatigued. I'd heard that Swift dropped out of the track to concentrate on the road. If that is the case I wonder if he regrets it now. His fresh legs could have done well here.
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  • oldwelshman
    oldwelshman Posts: 4,733
    Yellow Peril wrote:
    A tall order for Clancy then. He may medal but he must be fatigued. I'd heard that Swift dropped out of the track to concentrate on the road. If that is the case I wonder if he regrets it now. His fresh legs could have done well here.
    Not sure if they could pick him just for the omnium, he would have to have ridden another event I think which would mean replacing one of the other riders somewhere.
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    RichN95 wrote:
    Yellow Peril wrote:
    Apologies to Lichtblick and FF. I was trying to post on my Blackberry on the train home and screwed up some replies. Haven't discovered the rest of Clancy's results for yesterday following the flying lap. How did he do?

    11th in the points, 5th in the elimination.

    Overnight satndings:

    1 Bryan Coquard (France) 10pts
    2 Elia Viviani (Italy) 13
    3 Glenn O'Shea (Australia) 14
    4 Edward Clancy (Great Britain) 17
    5 Lasse Norman Hansen (Denmark) 18
    6 Roger Kluge (Germany) 19

    He didn't win everything he entered? Wow, now I am surprised.
    Contador is the Greatest
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    knedlicky wrote:
    kanto wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Can't get excited by these wins. If I watch a RR I can go crazy at the finish but watching these i can see how it is impressive but I dont feel anything.
    Well even though they are both cycling, road and track are just so different and they are basically different sports. Like you I can't get into any of this track cycling, and isn't because of the short explosive nature as I like the athletics track events, and the swimming too. Glad to see I'm not the only one who would rather watch other sports than the track cycling.
    andyp wrote:
    Sorry, but that's complete rubbish.
    The reason I find some cycling track events uninteresting, like the pursuit and team sprint, and also the flying start and TT in the omnium, is that (unlike the points race) they aren’t competitions against opponents.
    They are the cycling world equivalents of throwing the hammer/discus or the long jump. Yes there are other competitors, but basically one just has to cycle/throw or jump as fast/far as one can.

    There are more tactics even in the high jump and in weight-lifting than in these cycle track events, because participants in those competitions decide what height/weight to jump/lift, and even though the 100 m running event isn't dissimilar (run as fast as one can), in that having one's opponents in one's vision surely plays a role.

    Nail on the head pretty much.
    Contador is the Greatest
  • oldwelshman
    oldwelshman Posts: 4,733
    come on clancy, he needs to finish infront of the danish and french guy in the scratch race. Loooks like the scratch race will decide gold winner, clancy will win the kilo so has to be vigilant in the scratch.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    edited August 2012
    Omnium pursuit: 1. Hansen, 2. Clancy, 3. O'Shea

    GC
    1 Glenn O'Shea (Australia) 17
    2 Edward Clancy (Great Britain) 19
    Lasse Norman Hansen (Denmark) 19
    3 Elia Viviani (Italy) 20
    5 Bryan Coquard (France) 22
    6 Roger Kluge (Germany) 24

    Scratch race at 5pm
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Go Viviani. Road cyclist.
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  • avoidingmyphd
    avoidingmyphd Posts: 1,154
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    It's not the same as road.

    They don't turn right and they don't go uphill. Ever.

    Don't even get teams in the bunch starts.
    They go uphill nearly every lap.
  • oldwelshman
    oldwelshman Posts: 4,733
    Good qualifier by VP thats the fastest shes ever done, looks like her an meares will be kept apart and should get to final, befoe as VP did poor tt they ended up meeting in semis which is no good to either of them.
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  • oldwelshman
    oldwelshman Posts: 4,733
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Go Viviani. Road cyclist.
    No track cyclist turned road, same as Theo Boss, Thomas, Wiggins, Cav, Kennaugh, Rowe, Swift and many more to come.
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  • MrTapir
    MrTapir Posts: 1,206
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Go Viviani. Road cyclist.

    Clancy is also a road cyclist (Endura).
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,719
    oldwelshman wrote:
    ddraver wrote:
    The IOC decide how many events each sport can have. The UCI suck, but they ve not got much room to move here. The only to add all those events for the men was to give the women less. I think the balance is pretty good tbh, although I think the road events were a bit superfluous but less so now
    Not sure what yopu mean by the balance is good ? In other sports the men and women have equal events same as cycling but they did not remove other events to achieve it, whats the point of removing most of the endurance events? It is now weighted towards sprinting. They brought in the omnium which is good for crowd to watch if they can understand it, but it is not one of the traditional endurance events.
    Also by having only one rider per event makes the whole thing a mockery because whoever wins gold cannot claim they are the best in the world because not all the best riders rode each event. Chris Hoy cannot even defend his sprint title due to this rule, Varnish had no chance to Redeem herself due to this rule.
    The mens sprint will be missing at least 6 of the worlds top sprinters any of these are capable to getting a medal.

    I dis my say it was perfect, I said it was the best they could do with what the IOC give them. Add in an IP, remove.something else.

    The one rider per nation is all UCI tho....
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  • chevinhawk
    chevinhawk Posts: 5
    PuttyKnees wrote:
    I do wonder where the sport will go though. I hope that Australia and France up their game, and I hope that the IOC stop capping the numbers so we can have a proper competition, otherwise it's going to get old fast.

    The IOC are effectively responsible for the drop in the number of male track events, as when the UCI equalised the women's events with the men's and added BMX they were required to keep the number of events overall the same (even though sports like swimming allow every combination possible). However, it's the UCI who are responsible for the rule about one cyclist per nation (leading to the farcical situation where half the top 10 male sprinters are missing).

    Apparently, the UCI did this to try and stop domination by one nation, after GB's successes in Beijing. In practice, they may be shooting themselves in the foot, as it means that the good ones who are there are more likely to win a medal. After all, the French have some pretty good sprinters beyond Bauge!

    Interesting to see that they still allow Hong Kong to compete separately from China, leading to two Chinese medals in the women's Keirin.

    Edit: sorry ddraver, missed your post!

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