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  • t.m.h.n.e.t
    t.m.h.n.e.t Posts: 2,265
    HHNF is brilliant :D

    Was pretty fooked at the end but isn't that the point?
  • whojanicanackerov
    whojanicanackerov Posts: 383
    HHNF first TR ride I ever did.All I can say is I tried..http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/69490
  • t.m.h.n.e.t
    t.m.h.n.e.t Posts: 2,265
    Im about to do it again!
  • jgsi
    jgsi Posts: 5,062
    MY HHNF fails :wink:
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  • t.m.h.n.e.t
    t.m.h.n.e.t Posts: 2,265
    Been suffering with a hip flexor niggle lately so did end up stopping a few times.

    Not a perfect ride but it'll do http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/114738
  • jgsi
    jgsi Posts: 5,062
    Forgot I needed to test this week ..Keeping FTP as it is tho
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    I am not entirely convinced about the LTHR going down tho...
    if Nate catches this, he might proffer a reason as to why TR does this.
    If I test for LTHR separately, I know for a fact that my LTHR is higher.
  • napoleond
    napoleond Posts: 5,992
    I've always been a masher, partickillally when time trialling. Did monitor today, with some speed work. After the first interval didnt think I'd manage it but the thought of the trace instantly uploading pushes you on! Great stuff :)
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    ABCC Cycling Coach
  • jamienorton
    jamienorton Posts: 182
    What is LTHR? is a higher number better than a lower number?
  • jgsi
    jgsi Posts: 5,062
    http://www.joefrielsblog.com/2011/04/de ... -lthr.html

    lactate threshold heart rate

    essentially the lower the number because you are in broad terms of my understanding you are riding at higher efficiency than someone with a higher HR but pushing out the wattage... using up less highly valuable energy

    probably all wrong
  • mattshrops
    mattshrops Posts: 1,134
    This weeks efforts(after a hilly 95 on sunday)

    Tues http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/113027

    Wed http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/113993

    Thur http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/114714

    Fri http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/115528

    Did the ftp test again tonight although it wasnt due yet. Could probably have done with a days rest beforehand, i also probably paced it similar to a 10TT i.e. WRONG, went out too hard, died back then tried to pull it out at the end. Happy enough with getting over 3 W/kg tho' :D

    Should also say TR worked PERFECTLY for me this week no issues whatsoever
    Death or Glory- Just another Story
  • whojanicanackerov
    whojanicanackerov Posts: 383
    Matt you definatley should have rested you have done some serious work this week from what you have shown above.All the hard work will pay off though!
  • mattshrops
    mattshrops Posts: 1,134
    Have to be honest atm it just feels good to be relatively free of pain. Making hay while i can.
    Looking forward to the new season big time 8)
    Death or Glory- Just another Story
  • jgsi
    jgsi Posts: 5,062
    mattshrops wrote:
    Have to be honest atm it just feels good to be relatively free of pain. Making hay while i can.
    Looking forward to the new season big time 8)

    2 perfectly executed back to backs, back to back, courtesy of power training :wink:
  • mattshrops
    mattshrops Posts: 1,134
    Anyone not sure about getting a powertap or similar, If you're going to race(TT included obv) spend that cash. Most definitely the best money i have spent in cycling.(You're going to have to invest some time in studying and learning how to use it to its full potential.I'm finding it an evolving process -so i learn some, use that, learn a bit more, etc etc. :idea:

    TraineRoad comes a pretty close second at the moment :D
    Death or Glory- Just another Story
  • GiantMike
    GiantMike Posts: 3,139
    mattshrops wrote:
    Anyone not sure about getting a powertap or similar, If you're going to race(TT included obv) spend that cash. Most definitely the best money i have spent in cycling.(You're going to have to invest some time in studying and learning how to use it to its full potential.I'm finding it an evolving process -so i learn some, use that, learn a bit more, etc etc. :idea:

    TraineRoad comes a pretty close second at the moment :D

    Why do you think that a powertap is better than the virtual power TR set-up?
  • whojanicanackerov
    whojanicanackerov Posts: 383
    My training has suffered badly in the last few months Having back to back illness colds etc etc.
    It`s not easy when you have young toddler`s.They go to playgroup,nursery and catch colds.viruses etc and then the rest of the household catch it.
    It was getting me down a bit to be honest!!
    Golden cheetah has opened my eyes as you can see where I have been ill as the PR page shows the ups and downs.
    I will try to focus on the positive as I was progressing and training consistently
    Think I will try Echinacea.
  • mattshrops
    mattshrops Posts: 1,134
    GiantMike wrote:
    mattshrops wrote:
    Anyone not sure about getting a powertap or similar, If you're going to race(TT included obv) spend that cash. Most definitely the best money i have spent in cycling.(You're going to have to invest some time in studying and learning how to use it to its full potential.I'm finding it an evolving process -so i learn some, use that, learn a bit more, etc etc. :idea:

    TraineRoad comes a pretty close second at the moment :D

    Why do you think that a powertap is better than the virtual power TR set-up?

    First is the word virtual.Nothing wrong with it ,but....

    Second is i can have a similar log of my on road rides(so- TSS,IF,NP,Av P etc) I'm currently using TSS to carefully ramp my training stress up week by week.
    TBH i'm probably still enough of a novice that almost anytraining would improve my fitness/ftp, but i'm also enough of a geek/control freak(?) to want to do it the best way i can.

    I see the powertap(or similar) as the scientific measuring tool.Cant argue with the numbers.
    I see TR as a motivational/training programme.
    Combination of the 2 seems to be about spot on for me.

    I'm not suggesting everyone should go out and get a powermeter, just if you're thinking seriously about it anyway then YES.
    I suppose you could compare the cost against - new carbon bars?-a shiny disc wheel?etc etc.
    Providing you use it correctly(I'm still learning) then i'm fairly sure where the money spent would have the most impact on performance.
    Death or Glory- Just another Story
  • mikey2341
    mikey2341 Posts: 170
    What is a ball bark figure for a power meter then?
  • napoleond
    napoleond Posts: 5,992
    You could pick up a used powertap for under 300 quid
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    ABCC Cycling Coach
  • Garryboy
    Garryboy Posts: 344
    Did Kaweah today (5x10m at or around FTP), really struggled on last two intervals - think I'm over doing it again.

    http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/115969

    Watched Badley Wiggins a year in yellow whilst doing it, enjoyed it - pretty decent documentary.
  • doogee
    doogee Posts: 82
    I just joined today as I thought this would be a good way to track my progress over the next few months. I did the 20 min test this moning to sort out numbers but I think something went a bit wrong... Work out below

    http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/116659

    I have an Elite Chrono Fluid and used the virtual power setting for the Elite Powerfluid, I'm guessing from the results that these have two different power curves? HR & cadence are fine, I use a compact and prefer to have a cadence around 95-100rpm and this ties with my Garmin which I was also using. Don't see much point in going any further with this if the numbers aren't going to be meaningful?

    Does anyone have any suggestions?
  • stueys
    stueys Posts: 1,332
    doogee wrote:
    I just joined today as I thought this would be a good way to track my progress over the next few months. I did the 20 min test this moning to sort out numbers but I think something went a bit wrong... Work out below

    http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/116659

    I have an Elite Chrono Fluid and used the virtual power setting for the Elite Powerfluid, I'm guessing from the results that these have two different power curves? HR & cadence are fine, I use a compact and prefer to have a cadence around 95-100rpm and this ties with my Garmin which I was also using. Don't see much point in going any further with this if the numbers aren't going to be meaningful?

    Does anyone have any suggestions?

    I sometimes have the same problem if I have my laptop on the other side of the room plugged into the AV system. It seems that the garmin cadence sensor signal drops first before the HRM. When that happens I get a similar problem to your, though not as bad. I would try moving the USB stick closer to the bike and seeing if that resolves the issue.
  • jgsi
    jgsi Posts: 5,062
    A quick support ticket to the team - can they clarify which virtual power trainer to use...
    best to give the fullest description of your trainer model as so many have been filed, yours must be in there somewheres.
  • doogee
    doogee Posts: 82
    JGSI wrote:
    A quick support ticket to the team - can they clarify which virtual power trainer to use...
    best to give the fullest description of your trainer model as so many have been filed, yours must be in there somewheres.

    I've dropped them a line but it's operator error... Had a quick look and noted that my trainer is there just further down the list... Ah well, I'll just have to redo the test at some point this week. I've asked if they can do anything about changing the trainer for the test I've done but I won't hold my breath!

    Thanks for the replies.
  • jgsi
    jgsi Posts: 5,062
    doogee wrote:
    JGSI wrote:
    A quick support ticket to the team - can they clarify which virtual power trainer to use...
    best to give the fullest description of your trainer model as so many have been filed, yours must be in there somewheres.

    I've dropped them a line but it's operator error... Had a quick look and noted that my trainer is there just further down the list... Ah well, I'll just have to redo the test at some point this week. I've asked if they can do anything about changing the trainer for the test I've done but I won't hold my breath!

    Thanks for the replies.

    Actually , Nate might be able to parse your ride against the right curve.. so just hold out a bit longer
  • doogee
    doogee Posts: 82
    JGSI wrote:
    doogee wrote:
    JGSI wrote:
    A quick support ticket to the team - can they clarify which virtual power trainer to use...
    best to give the fullest description of your trainer model as so many have been filed, yours must be in there somewheres.

    I've dropped them a line but it's operator error... Had a quick look and noted that my trainer is there just further down the list... Ah well, I'll just have to redo the test at some point this week. I've asked if they can do anything about changing the trainer for the test I've done but I won't hold my breath!

    Thanks for the replies.

    Actually , Nate might be able to parse your ride against the right curve.. so just hold out a bit longer

    I've just had a reply and they can do just that. They'll reprocess it tomorrow so hopefully I'll have some meaningful numbers.

    Support from them appears to be really good and it was a quick response.

    Big thanks to the guys at TR.
  • Wrath Rob
    Wrath Rob Posts: 2,918
    After a couple of rest days I did the 20 min test last night. Well, did is relative. I started the test and after about 5 mins a stitch kicked in. "Work through it" I thought. I got to 10 mins at which point the stitch had morphed into a blunt knife trying to push the contents of my stomach out of my mouth. So I aborted the test. Not a happy bunny as I'm not sure what went wrong. I'd left a couple of hours between the last thing I ate and the test, so I don't think it was that. Weird.

    Anyway, depending on club training night this week I'll try and get a test done Tuesday to see how good TR has been for me over the last few weeks.
    FCN3: Titanium Qoroz.
  • GiantMike
    GiantMike Posts: 3,139
    mattshrops wrote:
    GiantMike wrote:
    mattshrops wrote:
    Anyone not sure about getting a powertap or similar, If you're going to race(TT included obv) spend that cash. Most definitely the best money i have spent in cycling.(You're going to have to invest some time in studying and learning how to use it to its full potential.I'm finding it an evolving process -so i learn some, use that, learn a bit more, etc etc. :idea:

    TraineRoad comes a pretty close second at the moment :D

    Why do you think that a powertap is better than the virtual power TR set-up?

    First is the word virtual.Nothing wrong with it ,but....

    Second is i can have a similar log of my on road rides(so- TSS,IF,NP,Av P etc) I'm currently using TSS to carefully ramp my training stress up week by week.

    I agree about the usefulness of a powertap. I use Golden Cheetah and a powertap and I don't use TR.

    Regarding TSS, I am discovering it's a very blunt tool and doesn't really tell you much because it combines too many variables into a single figure. A 100 TSS ride can be any number of different workouts and rides that do not have the same training benefit, or even any real training benefit.

    For example 100 TSS is roughly 1 hour at FTP (which is very very hard). It's also 3 hours at approx 55% FTP, which is really easy. I've started to analyse the specifics of a ride rather than TSS.
  • Caller
    Caller Posts: 124
    Just a quick TR question, are their training plans any good?

    I'm thinking of starting off with six week intermediate base plan then moving on to one of the others, probably the intermediate base II.

    Has anyone done them and were they any good?
  • Simmotino
    Simmotino Posts: 295
    I'm a couple of weeks in to Base I and (in possibly the most unscientific measure possible) my legs feel a lot stronger than they did when I started it. Efforts at close to FTP are far more sustainable than previously and I'm convinced that if I were to run my 20 minute test again my FTP reading would be higher.

    I've also dropped 5lb and nearly 1% of body fat in those two weeks*

    As I say, totally unscientific, but for an 'Ordinary Joe' it seems to be working well :mrgreen:

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