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ChrisSA · November 2012

Back on the TR horse last night as MrsA got in too late for me to go to the club swim. 45 minutes of Thunderbolt.

Simmotino · November 2012

It was Ericsson for me today. Anyone else done this one recently?

If yes, did you get the 'beep' on all power changes, or just the start/stop for the 8 minute intervals? :?

markp80 · November 2012

robklancs wrote:

hi

so i signed up for tr yesterday, i am waiting for my usb ant stick to arrive to get started. i cant figure out how to play a video?? i am trying it on the website and when i click workouts and then a specific workout , say the 8 min test, it just brings up the details, how do i get it to play?? im guessing its through the downloaded software?

also, i want to start a plan, is there any way of the software telling me which is the next workout, or ticking them off as i go along? or do i have to go to the website, check the next workout, then open the downloaded software and search for it.

sorry :oops:

Your post isn't clear - You do have the videos separately don't you? - They aren't included in TrainerRoad.
As JGSI says, only a small proportion of the workouts have a synchronised video to go with them, such as Sufferfest, with the action corresponding to the workout intensity, but you need to buy these separately yourself. However, you can have TR sitting over anything you want on your PC, I usually just have a DVD playing.
The software doesn't tell you which workout is next. However, if you go to the webpage for the plan, there is a "Printer Friendly Version" link. Just print a hard copy of the plan out and tick them off as you go - that's what I've done. Then as you say, just search for the next one in the workout tab. Saves you having to open the plan on the website each time though.

Cheers,
MarkP

markp80 · November 2012

Simmotino wrote:

It was Ericsson for me today. Anyone else done this one recently?

If yes, did you get the 'beep' on all power changes, or just the start/stop for the 8 minute intervals? :?

I can't remember specifically for Ericsson, but I've noticed on other workouts with variations on intensity during an interval that you only get the beeps at the start/finish of the entire interval. So you need to keep an eye on the screen for the changes, which does make it easy to miss sometimes.

Cheers,
MarkP

Wrath Rob · November 2012

MarkP80 wrote:

robklancs wrote:

hi

so i signed up for tr yesterday, i am waiting for my usb ant stick to arrive to get started. i cant figure out how to play a video?? i am trying it on the website and when i click workouts and then a specific workout , say the 8 min test, it just brings up the details, how do i get it to play?? im guessing its through the downloaded software?

also, i want to start a plan, is there any way of the software telling me which is the next workout, or ticking them off as i go along? or do i have to go to the website, check the next workout, then open the downloaded software and search for it.

sorry :oops:

Your post isn't clear - You do have the videos separately don't you? - They aren't included in TrainerRoad.
As JGSI says, only a small proportion of the workouts have a synchronised video to go with them, such as Sufferfest, with the action corresponding to the workout intensity, but you need to buy these separately yourself. However, you can have TR sitting over anything you want on your PC, I usually just have a DVD playing.
The software doesn't tell you which workout is next. However, if you go to the webpage for the plan, there is a "Printer Friendly Version" link. Just print a hard copy of the plan out and tick them off as you go - that's what I've done. Then as you say, just search for the next one in the workout tab. Saves you having to open the plan on the website each time though.

Cheers,
MarkP

Watch the walk through video here. I know as men we don't like reading instructions but in this case its worth it.

robklancs · November 2012

Cheers guys I fiddled and worked it out, yeah I have the sufferfest videos, I have discovered that they need changing to .264? To work with the software so been doing that tonight. In my previous post I usedthewordvideo instead I should have used workout, that was why I confused you an myself, all sorted though now thanks.

jgsi · November 2012

I'm still up there in top 3 monthly ride numbers, but flagging... so much so if it stays dry tonight and tmrrw . I'm out on the road with me other grumpy old git mates

jamienorton · November 2012

Yea looks like there's going to be run of nice cold days, how does an hour on the road (going hard trying to beat pb's) compare with a TR session, i feel like i can push myself harder on the turbo. Do you have a set plan JGSI? or are you just getting as much time as you can on the turbo.

jgsi · November 2012

jamienorton wrote:

Yea looks like there's going to be run of nice cold days, how does an hour on the road (going hard trying to beat pb's) compare with a TR session, i feel like i can push myself harder on the turbo. Do you have a set plan JGSI? or are you just getting as much time as you can on the turbo.

I was just going along with the base plans for a while and chucking in a harder workout now and then.
Using Golden Cheetah is interesting as I have been in negative stress balance for 6 weeks and now it is rising with backing off the intensity and will be positive at end of the month. My 'fitness' or long term stress is still trending nicely in the right direction and will keep things just ticking with as you say as much time on turbo as possible until we get into the New Year, then use one the TR big hitting plans.

(Anecdotal Evidence Alert! Looking back, TR did have an effect as a result of the work I did in August - workouts like Spencer and Henry gave me a bit of boost for a couple of good races in September.)

markp80 · November 2012

I had a week off with manflu last week which delayed me starting on Intermediate Base II. Recovering this week plus only can get two workouts in, so Monday was Thunder. Then tonight I thought I'd try my first Sufferfest. I had a go at Fight Club, set at 95% (cos I'm a wimp and still a bit poorly).

Anyway, even at 95% it was HARD!
http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/114053
Sense of achievement at the end though. HR was up near the highest I've seen it by the end of the last interval and I had a bit of blotchy dark vision for a short time. Guess it was pushing hard! :shock:

Base II kicks off next week hopefully.

Cheers,
MarkP

napoleond · November 2012

I had a do at the new Sufferfest, The Wretched today and did it on Trainer Road as a free ride. I intially used the reference as 7.0 being FTP but after the first interval thought I'd best use 8.0!
It is perhaps the hardest sufferfest vid, perfect for those targetting a hilly TT (me!)
I have just really started training again last week (doing base Intermediate 1) so I'm not fit AT ALL which shows in my inability to sustain repeated efforts at FTP and my numbers are pap. I'm using a powertap power meter and a Cycleops Jet Fluid Pro.
My FTP at the mo is what used to be Tempo!! (261w)

http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/113804

There is a bit of a review of the video there too...

dw300 · November 2012

JGSI wrote:

jamienorton wrote:

Yea looks like there's going to be run of nice cold days, how does an hour on the road (going hard trying to beat pb's) compare with a TR session, i feel like i can push myself harder on the turbo. Do you have a set plan JGSI? or are you just getting as much time as you can on the turbo.

I was just going along with the base plans for a while and chucking in a harder workout now and then.
Using Golden Cheetah is interesting as I have been in negative stress balance for 6 weeks and now it is rising with backing off the intensity and will be positive at end of the month. My 'fitness' or long term stress is still trending nicely in the right direction and will keep things just ticking with as you say as much time on turbo as possible until we get into the New Year, then use one the TR big hitting plans.

(Anecdotal Evidence Alert! Looking back, TR did have an effect as a result of the work I did in August - workouts like Spencer and Henry gave me a bit of boost for a couple of good races in September.)

JGSI - I'm going to have to chat with you about using this software for tracking training stress, as I'm not quite sure what I'm looking at.

I imported all my TR rides, so about 25-30, but I couldn't see a training stress value anywhere. I can provide screenshots of whatever tab you tell me i should be looking at if it'll help you guide me.

Help me Obi-Wan, you're my only hope!

Garryboy · November 2012

MarkP80 wrote:

I had a week off with manflu last week which delayed me starting on Intermediate Base II. Recovering this week plus only can get two workouts in, so Monday was Thunder. Then tonight I thought I'd try my first Sufferfest. I had a go at Fight Club, set at 95% (cos I'm a wimp and still a bit poorly).

Anyway, even at 95% it was HARD!

http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/114053

Sense of achievement at the end though. HR was up near the highest I've seen it by the end of the last interval and I had a bit of blotchy dark vision for a short time. Guess it was pushing hard! :shock:

Base II kicks off next week hopefully.

Cheers,
MarkP

Good job! I tend to lower the intensity a bit when doing sufferfest vids - to around 90-95%

forgot to one time on a very dark place and result was not pretty and abandonment;
http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/109982
Timing is messed up (known bug) only lasted 30 mins.

Wrath Rob · November 2012

dw300 wrote:

JGSI wrote:

jamienorton wrote:

Yea looks like there's going to be run of nice cold days, how does an hour on the road (going hard trying to beat pb's) compare with a TR session, i feel like i can push myself harder on the turbo. Do you have a set plan JGSI? or are you just getting as much time as you can on the turbo.

I was just going along with the base plans for a while and chucking in a harder workout now and then.
Using Golden Cheetah is interesting as I have been in negative stress balance for 6 weeks and now it is rising with backing off the intensity and will be positive at end of the month. My 'fitness' or long term stress is still trending nicely in the right direction and will keep things just ticking with as you say as much time on turbo as possible until we get into the New Year, then use one the TR big hitting plans.

(Anecdotal Evidence Alert! Looking back, TR did have an effect as a result of the work I did in August - workouts like Spencer and Henry gave me a bit of boost for a couple of good races in September.)

JGSI - I'm going to have to chat with you about using this software for tracking training stress, as I'm not quite sure what I'm looking at.

I imported all my TR rides, so about 25-30, but I couldn't see a training stress value anywhere. I can provide screenshots of whatever tab you tell me i should be looking at if it'll help you guide me.

Help me Obi-Wan, you're my only hope!

In GC go to the home screen, click the Add Chart button and then select Long Term Metrics. Simple. I'm using GC 3 so it may be a little different if you're on 2.

Tonight I wanted to do some threshold intervals of 4-5 min duration with minimal recovery. I was going to have a go at making my own but then found Pinchot. I've been feeling strong so upped the FTP % to 105, put together a quick Olympic 2012 Track Highlights Youtube playlist, stuck a workout MP3 mix on and then let rip.

Result was best 10,20 and 60 min powers. I think I need to do another FTP test as I've definitely improved since starting with TR 3 weeks ago (I was already in winter training mode for a couple of weeks before that so its not all down to TR). I was buzzing by the time I got off the turbo, the endorphins were raging and I felt great! That's now slowly wearing off and the usual post-ride dull ache is starting to set it. Time for a foam roller massage.

dw300 · November 2012

Wrath Rob wrote:

In GC go to the home screen, click the Add Chart button and then select Long Term Metrics. Simple. I'm using GC 3 so it may be a little different if you're on 2.

Tonight I wanted to do some threshold intervals of 4-5 min duration with minimal recovery. I was going to have a go at making my own but then found Pinchot. I've been feeling strong so upped the FTP % to 105, put together a quick Olympic 2012 Track Highlights Youtube playlist, stuck a workout MP3 mix on and then let rip.

Result was best 10,20 and 60 min powers. I think I need to do another FTP test as I've definitely improved since starting with TR 3 weeks ago (I was already in winter training mode for a couple of weeks before that so its not all down to TR). I was buzzing by the time I got off the turbo, the endorphins were raging and I felt great! That's now slowly wearing off and the usual post-ride dull ache is starting to set it. Time for a foam roller massage.

Ok cheers Wrath .. and congrats on the records!

A few further questions as my Performance Manager seems to be working now, when it didnt before ..

1. How do I account for road rides in GC if I don't have a Power Meter? (Not too important in winter)
2. Bikescore, or Daniels?
3. What levels/numbers should I be aiming for, for long and short term?

Cheers!

jgsi · November 2012

dw300 wrote:

Wrath Rob wrote:

In GC go to the home screen, click the Add Chart button and then select Long Term Metrics. Simple. I'm using GC 3 so it may be a little different if you're on 2.

Tonight I wanted to do some threshold intervals of 4-5 min duration with minimal recovery. I was going to have a go at making my own but then found Pinchot. I've been feeling strong so upped the FTP % to 105, put together a quick Olympic 2012 Track Highlights Youtube playlist, stuck a workout MP3 mix on and then let rip.

Result was best 10,20 and 60 min powers. I think I need to do another FTP test as I've definitely improved since starting with TR 3 weeks ago (I was already in winter training mode for a couple of weeks before that so its not all down to TR). I was buzzing by the time I got off the turbo, the endorphins were raging and I felt great! That's now slowly wearing off and the usual post-ride dull ache is starting to set it. Time for a foam roller massage.

Ok cheers Wrath .. and congrats on the records!

A few further questions as my Performance Manager seems to be working now, when it didnt before ..

1. How do I account for road rides in GC if I don't have a Power Meter? (Not too important in winter)
2. Bikescore, or Daniels?
3. What levels/numbers should I be aiming for, for long and short term?

Cheers!

Added to that, I am only a novice use of it as well... the lack of a 'user manual' can be made up by checking out a couple of vids on YouTube like this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05AYQhtMR-M and a few blogs as well.
Bike Score is what I mainly use as that corresponds to tss but also yiou can use TRIMP which gives an equivalent.
Road rides - no power data - well manual input does ok, or if you have a tcx file from another source.

Note TRIMP scores have a glitch . GC does not compute them even with a good HR trace without power data and you cannot estimate as you can with BikeScore it in as manual input .

As to what 'values' yu should be aiming for .. well the Coggan book has screenshots of other athletes' PMCs that can give an insight... but.. it is all pretty individual..
The more data you have that correlates to how you have performed/felt/trained etc the better you can use it. .. I think at least 6 months worth needs to be got and probably best over a full year/season.

If you like numbers then you will like this.. others may be better off keeping a diary / memoirs

markp80 · November 2012

JGSI wrote:

If you like numbers then you will like this.. others may be better off keeping a diary / memoirs

Oh no, not more stuff to learn!

springtide9 · November 2012

JGSI wrote:

dw300 wrote:

Wrath Rob wrote:

In GC go to the home screen, click the Add Chart button and then select Long Term Metrics. Simple. I'm using GC 3 so it may be a little different if you're on 2.

Tonight I wanted to do some threshold intervals of 4-5 min duration with minimal recovery. I was going to have a go at making my own but then found Pinchot. I've been feeling strong so upped the FTP % to 105, put together a quick Olympic 2012 Track Highlights Youtube playlist, stuck a workout MP3 mix on and then let rip.

Result was best 10,20 and 60 min powers. I think I need to do another FTP test as I've definitely improved since starting with TR 3 weeks ago (I was already in winter training mode for a couple of weeks before that so its not all down to TR). I was buzzing by the time I got off the turbo, the endorphins were raging and I felt great! That's now slowly wearing off and the usual post-ride dull ache is starting to set it. Time for a foam roller massage.

Ok cheers Wrath .. and congrats on the records!

A few further questions as my Performance Manager seems to be working now, when it didnt before ..

1. How do I account for road rides in GC if I don't have a Power Meter? (Not too important in winter)
2. Bikescore, or Daniels?
3. What levels/numbers should I be aiming for, for long and short term?

Cheers!

Added to that, I am only a novice use of it as well... the lack of a 'user manual' can be made up by checking out a couple of vids on YouTube like this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05AYQhtMR-M and a few blogs as well.
Bike Score is what I mainly use as that corresponds to tss but also yiou can use TRIMP which gives an equivalent.
Road rides - no power data - well manual input does ok, or if you have a tcx file from another source.

Note TRIMP scores have a glitch . GC does not compute them even with a good HR trace without power data and you cannot estimate as you can with BikeScore it in as manual input .

As to what 'values' yu should be aiming for .. well the Coggan book has screenshots of other athletes' PMCs that can give an insight... but.. it is all pretty individual..
The more data you have that correlates to how you have performed/felt/trained etc the better you can use it. .. I think at least 6 months worth needs to be got and probably best over a full year/season.

If you like numbers then you will like this.. others may be better off keeping a diary / memoirs

That is one of the advantages I've found of Training Peaks. If you mix TCX files with and without power, when you don't use power it gives you a hrTSS score (so TSS based on your HR, which I guess it knows from your power files)

TP also obviously uses all of the 'metrics' used within all the books, so it's less confusing when starting out. Even if you don't use TP, I would check out their documentation and guides as it's probably the best resource on the web. And if you use GC, you just need to work out the equivalent metric (as TSS, IF etc are trademarks of TP)

I'm not sure I will continue with TP next year, but I think signing up to TP for a year has been helpful in terms of the learning curve with regards to getting familiar with the data and measurements. You also get 40% discount off TP as a British Cycling member, but it's still a bit of money as all I currently use TP for is the Performance Management stuff (mainly for the hrTSS functionality)
I've also switched back to the older version of GC, as the newer version seemed to have a few bugs. I also prefer the interface of the over version, but maybe I just don't like change :-)

Oh yes, this is the TR thread, so at least I should post an indoor ride:
http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/113740
I have switched to a Rock and Roll as one came up s'hand on EBay, and it's a great turbo for what it's worth.

markp80 · November 2012

Garryboy wrote:

MarkP80 wrote:

I had a go at Fight Club, set at 95% (cos I'm a wimp and still a bit poorly).
Anyway, even at 95% it was HARD!
http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/114053
Cheers,
MarkP

Good job! I tend to lower the intensity a bit when doing sufferfest vids - to around 90-95%

forgot to one time on a very dark place and result was not pretty and abandonment;
http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/109982
Timing is messed up (known bug) only lasted 30 mins.

Glad to hear I'm not the only one turning the wick down a bit!
I have to say that were it not for using TR in combination with Sufferfest I don't think I would push myself to the same levels of intensity based only on the video's perceived effort scale. The video's idea of 7 or 8 /10 felt far higher than what I would have set naturally, so using TR and therefore basing the levels relative to your FTP clearly works - or it does for me anyway.
This was the first time I'd done a Sufferfest and I found the video to be slightly jerky. I'll have a play around with that when I get chance (didn't have time last night) to see if I can get it smoother. It might just be my laptop, although I thought it was a fairly decent spec.
I certainly think I'll use it a bit more though, I really enjoyed (finishing!) it. The repeated attacks during the intervals in Fight Club were starting to be torture by the end though, and using interval pace as "recovery" was a novelty! I don't have A Very Dark Place, but I do have Angels, so maybe that one's on my list for next week.

Cheers,
MarkP

Garryboy · November 2012

MarkP80 wrote:

Garryboy wrote:

MarkP80 wrote:

I had a go at Fight Club, set at 95% (cos I'm a wimp and still a bit poorly).
Anyway, even at 95% it was HARD!
http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/114053
Cheers,
MarkP

Good job! I tend to lower the intensity a bit when doing sufferfest vids - to around 90-95%

forgot to one time on a very dark place and result was not pretty and abandonment;
http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/109982
Timing is messed up (known bug) only lasted 30 mins.

Glad to hear I'm not the only one turning the wick down a bit!
I have to say that were it not for using TR in combination with Sufferfest I don't think I would push myself to the same levels of intensity based only on the video's perceived effort scale. The video's idea of 7 or 8 /10 felt far higher than what I would have set naturally, so using TR and therefore basing the levels relative to your FTP clearly works - or it does for me anyway.
This was the first time I'd done a Sufferfest and I found the video to be slightly jerky. I'll have a play around with that when I get chance (didn't have time last night) to see if I can get it smoother. It might just be my laptop, although I thought it was a fairly decent spec.
I certainly think I'll use it a bit more though, I really enjoyed (finishing!) it. The repeated attacks during the intervals in Fight Club were starting to be torture by the end though, and using interval pace as "recovery" was a novelty! I don't have A Very Dark Place, but I do have Angels, so maybe that one's on my list for next week.

Cheers,
MarkP

I had same issue with video - jerky and eventually a bit out of sync with the TR profile. I use a really low spec netbook, so I've had to convert the sufferfest vids to a lower resolution (like for ipad / ipod) so they work smoothly.

The new vid - 'There is no try' is a lot of 'fun' :shock:

http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/108928

jgsi · November 2012

Well tooooo icy at 9am still... ... cars crunching on my hill outside no way going out in that, I ran back in.

TINT Sufferfest at 95% instead.. ok TSS a bit high for this week but whatever...
I must say the new vids have become much slicker over the years, still the best value for money.
I must agree thhat without target numbers in front of your eyes, going on perceived effort probably tempts too many to go far too hard and negate some of the training benefits.

Wrath Rob · November 2012

First Sufferfest I did, Downward Spiral, I did with power but based on the PE scale of 1-10. I was doing 2 min intervals at about 140% of FTP and trying to hold that. Funnily enough by the second set I was doing them at 80-90% of FTP. The same workout with TR meant I was better able to balance the load across the workout. I think the balance was pretty good as by the last 15 second sprint I was struggling to hold the target and feeling pretty ill.

Another win for TR!

Wrath Rob · November 2012

dw300 wrote:

A few further questions as my Performance Manager seems to be working now, when it didnt before ..

1. How do I account for road rides in GC if I don't have a Power Meter? (Not too important in winter)
2. Bikescore, or Daniels?
3. What levels/numbers should I be aiming for, for long and short term?

Cheers!

In GC I've been using TRIMP as I commute and do outdoor rides without power at the moment (PT wheel has a trainer tyre on it so can't easily change). Maybe next year I'll see if I can find a second hand SRM and sell the current PT wheels as then I'll be able to use the SRM on every ride.

jamienorton · November 2012

Managed to get out for a ride, a couple of random ice patches here and there (people washing cars in this weather, nutters) but no drama, really enjoyed the crispness, better than my commute this morning when i seemed to put my cloak of invisibility on and someone tried to kill me.

GiantMike · November 2012

Wrath Rob wrote:

In GC I've been using TRIMP as I commute and do outdoor rides without power at the moment (PT wheel has a trainer tyre on it so can't easily change).

I use a Powertap plus Michelin Speedium 25mm on the road and turbo.

napoleond · November 2012

Garryboy wrote:

MarkP80 wrote:

Garryboy wrote:

MarkP80 wrote:

I had a go at Fight Club, set at 95% (cos I'm a wimp and still a bit poorly).
Anyway, even at 95% it was HARD!
http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/114053
Cheers,
MarkP

Good job! I tend to lower the intensity a bit when doing sufferfest vids - to around 90-95%

forgot to one time on a very dark place and result was not pretty and abandonment;
http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/109982
Timing is messed up (known bug) only lasted 30 mins.

Glad to hear I'm not the only one turning the wick down a bit!
I have to say that were it not for using TR in combination with Sufferfest I don't think I would push myself to the same levels of intensity based only on the video's perceived effort scale. The video's idea of 7 or 8 /10 felt far higher than what I would have set naturally, so using TR and therefore basing the levels relative to your FTP clearly works - or it does for me anyway.
This was the first time I'd done a Sufferfest and I found the video to be slightly jerky. I'll have a play around with that when I get chance (didn't have time last night) to see if I can get it smoother. It might just be my laptop, although I thought it was a fairly decent spec.
I certainly think I'll use it a bit more though, I really enjoyed (finishing!) it. The repeated attacks during the intervals in Fight Club were starting to be torture by the end though, and using interval pace as "recovery" was a novelty! I don't have A Very Dark Place, but I do have Angels, so maybe that one's on my list for next week.

Cheers,
MarkP

I had same issue with video - jerky and eventually a bit out of sync with the TR profile. I use a really low spec netbook, so I've had to convert the sufferfest vids to a lower resolution (like for ipad / ipod) so they work smoothly.

The new vid - 'There is no try' is a lot of 'fun' :shock:

http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/108928

Wait till you try the new one when it comes out, The Wretched! HARD!
See my earlier post on the last page for a bit of a draft review..

GiantMike · November 2012

NapoleonD wrote:

I had a do at the new Sufferfest, The Wretched today and did it on Trainer Road as a free ride. http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/113804

That's interesting because the trace doesn't look that hard. Just goes to show that what your eyes see and your brain thinks you can do are sometimes wildly different to the physical reality. I had the same issue with The Hunted recently. Looked at the profile, though it would be quite easy but it got nasty at the end. Hell Hath No Fury looks impossible.

Looking at the rides on TR, the Sufferfest ones looks much harder than the TR ones.

napoleond · November 2012

I've only just started training again too so I am struggling to do repeated efforts around FTP at the moment.
It was interesting doing the TR FTP test as it said 261w which was exactly what I'd set it at from looking at a few rides on training peaks recently (well, I'd set it as 260).

I want to get to at least 300w FTP by April and get down another 5kg...

jgsi · November 2012

GiantMike wrote:

NapoleonD wrote:

I had a do at the new Sufferfest, The Wretched today and did it on Trainer Road as a free ride. http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/113804

That's interesting because the trace doesn't look that hard. Just goes to show that what your eyes see and your brain thinks you can do are sometimes wildly different to the physical reality. I had the same issue with The Hunted recently. Looked at the profile, though it would be quite easy but it got nasty at the end. Hell Hath No Fury looks impossible.

Looking at the rides on TR, the Sufferfest ones looks much harder than the TR ones.

Done HHNF twice... and been well and truly 'thrashed' each time... bang on race training and pacing

Garryboy · November 2012

JGSI wrote:

GiantMike wrote:

NapoleonD wrote:

I had a do at the new Sufferfest, The Wretched today and did it on Trainer Road as a free ride. http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/113804

That's interesting because the trace doesn't look that hard. Just goes to show that what your eyes see and your brain thinks you can do are sometimes wildly different to the physical reality. I had the same issue with The Hunted recently. Looked at the profile, though it would be quite easy but it got nasty at the end. Hell Hath No Fury looks impossible.

Looking at the rides on TR, the Sufferfest ones looks much harder than the TR ones.

Done HHNF twice... and been well and truly 'thrashed' each time... bang on race training and pacing

Yep, agreed - I usually lower intensity to 90% to avoid puking!

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