Strava 'Bagging'

RideOnTime

Lucan2 wrote:

gedadz61 wrote:

Hi all you Strava fanatics, how does it all work ? I assume you need an app, then wot ?

You create a free account at http://www.strava.com and then upload your rides to that site. When you ride a section of road that has been created as a 'segment' your time is recorded. This allows you to compare your time to others riding the same segment, or more importantly to many, you can see how you compare to your previous rides.

You can also create new segments.

Create an account and look at the features. It's all good fun.

Thanks Lucan2. I keep hearing about this but didn't know what it actually was...

bernithebiker

Pituophis wrote:

CptKernow wrote:

I have a Strava nemesis. I've never met them but whenever I get a KOM this ****** waits for a windy day and robs me.

I'm sure that's not how he sees it, but it's how it feels to me. I have 3 KOMS, sorry 2 (*%##!) and this guy has 3 pages worth.
Funny thing is over similar distances and the same terrain I average 1.5 mph faster than him. I'm happy with that and am not going to play that game (much!)

I'm 47 3/4. I don't take Strava seriously, but just use it to monitor my own fitness (yeah right :roll: )
My pal's next door neighbour is 18 and started cycling about the time I switched to the road.
He is nearly 30 years younger, much fitter and now much faster than me. This was always going to happen. :oops:
I have no KOM's, but get giddy when I scrape into the top 10
But now he has taken to following all my rides, and smashing any decent time I get within 2 days, making extraordinary detours to fit the sections in ??? Obviously this doesn't bother me in the slightest.
I will not MTFU, but instead run him over at the earliest opportunity.

Strava KOM's tend to be fairly short, so it's all about your ability to produce short bursts of high power, and lots are up hills, so it helps to be light too.

I struggle to maintain very high average speeds over long distances, but I can sprint very hard and fast, and thus collect a few KOM's, but I know there are riders below me on the leaderboard that are 'better' all round riders. So don't fret!

gedadz61

Lucan2 wrote:

gedadz61 wrote:

Hi all you Strava fanatics, how does it all work ? I assume you need an app, then wot ?

You create a free account at http://www.strava.com and then upload your rides to that site. When you ride a section of road that has been created as a 'segment' your time is recorded. This allows you to compare your time to others riding the same segment, or more importantly to many, you can see how you compare to your previous rides.

You can also create new segments.

Create an account and look at the features. It's all good fun.

Hi Lucan2, many thanks for the explanation, much clearer now, cheers.

RideOnTime

It's cool 8) 8)

Daz555

Pituophis wrote:

CptKernow wrote:

I have a Strava nemesis. I've never met them but whenever I get a KOM this ****** waits for a windy day and robs me.

I'm sure that's not how he sees it, but it's how it feels to me. I have 3 KOMS, sorry 2 (*%##!) and this guy has 3 pages worth.
Funny thing is over similar distances and the same terrain I average 1.5 mph faster than him. I'm happy with that and am not going to play that game (much!)

I'm 47 3/4. I don't take Strava seriously, but just use it to monitor my own fitness (yeah right :roll: )
My pal's next door neighbour is 18 and started cycling about the time I switched to the road.
He is nearly 30 years younger, much fitter and now much faster than me. This was always going to happen. :oops:
I have no KOM's, but get giddy when I scrape into the top 10
But now he has taken to following all my rides, and smashing any decent time I get within 2 days, making extraordinary detours to fit the sections in ??? Obviously this doesn't bother me in the slightest.
I will not MTFU, but instead run him over at the earliest opportunity.

I'd be tempted to borrow an electrically assisted bike for few rides and go out and set some new times for this kid to have a crack at.......be fun watching him come back wrecked after a few attempts at cracking your new time. You can then tell him they were just one of the few rare days when you "have a proper ride" but usually you just like to chill out and enjoy the view.

on the road

I use Locus because you can manually set the accuracy and the auto start/stop actually works unlike some other apps.

jgsi

Use a tailwind to break my xwind KOM hmmmm..?
OK, well bud, the tailwind is still there for tmorrw afternoon...... watch your tail

Mikey23

Three top ten segs achieved with strong tailwind today... Worth going out!

RideOnTime

Mikey23 wrote:

Three top ten segs achieved with strong tailwind today... Worth going out!

good effort...

badly_dubbed

a nice unexpected one lastnight fell off half way up too...nice lung burner so it is!

http://app.strava.com/segments/2523543

Wirral_paul

A nice flat 1 mile section for me this evening. Was trying to get the segment but didnt expect to get it by quite that much!!

http://app.strava.com/activities/63016388#1190061414

jgsi

Bagged one back last night as I did have it last year but always create a new account at start of the year.. no point in holding onto old records now is there?

madtam

Finally got one back that I had last year.
I had dropped to 4th or 5th and was despairing of getting any faster. Its on my short commute home so am usually carrying laptop and clothes which don't help but yesterday I left the laptop in the office and was a bit lighter.
I think the real advantage was the passing truck that gave me the slipstream I needed at the right time. It might not be strictly fair but I am desparate for all the help I can get.

http://app.strava.com/activities/663400 ... 1275024434

alihisgreat

madtam wrote:

Finally got one back that I had last year.
I had dropped to 4th or 5th and was despairing of getting any faster. Its on my short commute home so am usually carrying laptop and clothes which don't help but yesterday I left the laptop in the office and was a bit lighter.
I think the real advantage was the passing truck that gave me the slipstream I needed at the right time. It might not be strictly fair but I am desparate for all the help I can get.

http://app.strava.com/activities/663400 ... 1275024434

Good effort!

One of my KOMs in Oxford is a relatively busy road.. really makes the difference when you're pushing 28mph and a bus comes past!

Mikey23

Managed to get three while in a nee nah to Barnstaple hospital the other day... Got flagged though...

mr_goo

Q. Does anyone know why some segments that are registered on Strava do not show up on performance chart once ride is downloaded.
Only ask as went full gas on segment last night to improve my PB and after download no data/no segment listing. BTW using the Strava app on smart phone.

Answers on a postcard please.

Yours, very disappointed
Mr Goo

jgsi

Mr Goo wrote:

Q. Does anyone know why some segments that are registered on Strava do not show up on performance chart once ride is downloaded.
Only ask as went full gas on segment last night to improve my PB and after download no data/no segment listing. BTW using the Strava app on smart phone.

Answers on a postcard please.

Yours, very disappointed
Mr Goo

too close to home... ie in the privacy zone , won't show up

mr_goo

JGSI wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

Q. Does anyone know why some segments that are registered on Strava do not show up on performance chart once ride is downloaded.
Only ask as went full gas on segment last night to improve my PB and after download no data/no segment listing. BTW using the Strava app on smart phone.

Answers on a postcard please.

Yours, very disappointed
Mr Goo

too close to home... ie in the privacy zone , won't show up

Don't think its that. I have it as a 'favourite' segment and there are previous records. I will have to try a spin out later today and see if same thing happens.

arran77

Mr Goo wrote:

Q. Does anyone know why some segments that are registered on Strava do not show up on performance chart once ride is downloaded.
Only ask as went full gas on segment last night to improve my PB and after download no data/no segment listing. BTW using the Strava app on smart phone.

Answers on a postcard please.

Yours, very disappointed
Mr Goo

I've had this recently and noticed that the segment has been reported as dangerous by someone so the leaderboard won't show.

I got around it by making a new segment virtually the same as the 'dangerous' one, should work until someone says mine is dangerous too

madtam

I got another KOM 3 nights after the last one above(lost it 2 days later so won't bother posting a link). However, my previous KOM was then flagged by somebody. I am not entirely sure what that means although assume it means someone thinks it's not genuine.
I was seriously hacked off at that because I know how hard I pushed and how much it hurt to get there. Considering I commute that way regularly and was previously 4th/5th on the segment how unbelievable was it that I could go faster ? Particularly as I reckon I must be riding well at the moment as evidenced by getting another KOM at another segment on the same commuting route 3 days later.
It seems that my time has been reinstated for now but will have to keep an eye on it.

I will freely admit that I gained an advantage from drafting a passing truck but on a commute there are so many variables that work both ways I am not sure how you quantify the differences. I also note that on some segments you can see 2-3 people leap into high positions at the same time presumably from a bit of drafting each other so whats the difference. On thinking about it, I haven't beaten my son on a local segment yet but he freely admits that it was a really wild windy day with probably a 30mph+ tail wind when he got KOM so he had a bit of an edge.

springtide9

arran77 wrote:

I've had this recently and noticed that the segment has been reported as dangerous by someone so the leaderboard won't show.

I got around it by making a new segment virtually the same as the 'dangerous' one, should work until someone says mine is dangerous too

There does appear to be a number of segments being marked as dangerous when they actually aren't.

e.g. there is a straight-ish section of single carriageway road near by with a few (slight) undulating hills. Apart from a few cars that seem to think it's a racetrack, there is nothing that dangerous about it. It's not as if riding it at 15mph is any safer than trying to ride it at 25mph, as there are no traffic lights and very few junctions crossing/turning onto the road.

As you have mentioned above, all people do (if it's not actually dangerous) is just create another segment - so you end up with multiple segments for that stretch of road.
I don't understand why some people are flagging these segments. I guess if this is a trend, Strava need to put something in place for some kind of voting system.

springtide9

And talking about bagging, I reclaimed this one about a week or two ago..

http://app.strava.com/segments/1655691

Very lucky that it's not a highly contested segment like Belmont, where I'm pleased to be in 77th place:

http://app.strava.com/segments/2617079

(or top 10 of the fatties)

arran77

springtide9 wrote:

I don't understand why some people are flagging these segments. I guess if this is a trend, Strava need to put something in place for some kind of voting system.

I said in another thread that it's probably someone who got a sh*t time on a segment and wanted the record of it deleted so no one would see it!!

I reckon some sort of voting system would be good so that a segment doesn't get scrapped until a certain number of people complain otherwise like you say you end end with loads of very silmilar segments for one section of road.

y2blade

Great thread, I love strava already (only had it on my iPhone a few days).

I'm top 10 on a local descent (it is proper sketchy in places, I know I'm too old to think/act like this but can't help myself :roll: )....I'm now 75th for the climb back up though

alihisgreat

y2blade wrote:

Great thread, I love strava already (only had it on my iPhone a few days).

I'm top 10 on a local descent (it is proper sketchy in places, I know I'm too old to think/act like this but can't help myself :roll: )....I'm now 75th for the climb back up though

Descending segments are almost harder than the climbing ones to be honest.. I'm 16th on one where I hit 50mph+ (which is fast considering the road surface) and I'm still averaging 2.5mph less than the 'KOM'

mental :shock:

bernithebiker

Drafting a truck is pretty unfair if you ask me.

It's quite easy to get up to 60km/h+ behind a truck which would allow you to take almost any KOM.

I lost one recently and it would be easy to get it back by waiting for the next tractor or truck to come past, but I think I'll get it back the fair way......!

Not being solo loses brownie points for me too - you know who you are!!

bernithebiker

If there's one KOM that you just CANNOT allow to be taken, it's the one that's right outside your house.

No tailwind, but couldn't let it go any longer......!

http://app.strava.com/activities/69731513#1353642554

Step_7

We had an interesting one here - Guy at work has just started using Strava and found there was a segment right outside his house - bit pointless 0.1ml uphill but still he managed to get a joint KOM with one of the other 3 residents of the street! Bit of banter back and forth in work about why he couldn't go any faster etc etc. so I detoured on my way home from work last week and took 4 seconds off the KOM - fair enough and a bit of a laugh.

About an hour later the other previous joint holder took a second off my time with a 0.5 mile ride just to get it back.... Again fair enough - I even gave him Kudos on it. Guy in work decides to have another go this week and took another second off - so for an hour we had more banter directed back at me this time.... Then the segment disappeared... deleted! :shock: :?

Now we can't say for sure that it was deleted by a sore loser who discovered that he wasn't the fastest cyclist in his street, :roll: or that it will be surprisingly easy to recreate it under a more suitable name ("Flying teddy" or "Dummy from the pram" are hot favourites at the moment... :twisted: ) but really, is he so insecure that he doesn't want the other members of his club to see he was beaten in his backyard on a pointless Strava segment not once but twice in the space of a week?? :? :? :roll:

Now, he has 7 other KOMs..... Lets see what we can do about that....

bernithebiker

I've seen that happen before too.

Bloke creates a segment cos he thinks he's been well quick over it, and enjoys KOM status for a bit.

Then gets beaten and loses KOM so deletes segment.

But this doesn't last long as the new KOM can just recreate the segment, and the 1st guy's shame is back on the map!!

RagingAlcoholic

I do not mean to bump an ancient thread but I've got a question re strava's reliability on certain devices. Usually I use my android phone to record to rides as the data is recorded directly without needing to upload via garmin or file from the laptop. One thing I have noticed is how strava records differently on the android to how it does on the Garmin.

I went on a 88-90km ride just the other day and recorded the ride on both devices. I found it quite interesting how a few things varied, despite it being the same ride. My rolling time was the same, although what was different was my estimated power output, my segment times (sometimes >6 seconds), the overall distance of the ride, the gradients of the same climb, and my avg speed. I do not want to make too much of a fuss of it - I just want to know what device would be more accurate.

So I decided to show one particular part of the route recorded on both devices:

Garmin Edge 500


Android


Like I said, it's not really that big a deal. It's just a tad annoying needing to make a choice between one or the other. Android for me seems to overestimate distance and speed, that is my opinion, as I'd rather trust the Garmin. What device do you use for Strava?