USADA files doping charges against Lance
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BikingBernie wrote:
No 'twittering' from Wiggo yet either. Come on boy! It's not everyday that someone becomes the first Brit to 'podium' in the Tour de France.No tA Doctor wrote:Nothing from Ferrari as yet.
Hope he posts soon, from what I recall his twittering went all quiet for at least 5 days after Landis went public.
I think Wiggo has learnt to keep his mutton chops closed on such big issues as doping as it is all too easy to say the wrong thing and if somehow this all falls apart and LA is exonerated he'll find himself in that awful position of slagging off his mates ex girlfriend only to find out that they are going back out with each other.
On the Dodgeball front how about a Cav-Wiggo double act whilst wearing "Beijing 08" T-shirts?0 -
Gazzetta67 wrote:God you go out for a meal on a midweek and this breaks
what have i missed ??
Does this mean he will be stripped off his titles and more importantly will his lovechild "Moray Gub" ever come on here again 8)
I see no reason why i wouldn't come on here and we will see how it all pans out after all we had moronic Celtic fans like you coming your pants hailing Jeff the Hero the last time when the Grand Jury investigation was it its height and we all know how that turned out. Still this gives you the chance to bring forth your Hincapie at Pla D'Adet story ad naseum almost as bad as the bloody graph from that other obsessive. Persoanlly i couldnt give a monkeys either way though its old hat .Gasping - but somehow still alive !0 -
frenchfighter wrote:Fan boys should right click save as these are getting deleted
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Just like the bertie ones eh !Gasping - but somehow still alive !0 -
Oohh Lancey! Who's the little shit-starter now??
I've been waiting 12 years to write that. All will come to those who wait. 'Google can bring back a hundred thousand answers. A librarian can bring you back the right one.'
Neil Gaiman0 -
Good to see you Moray
Where is Dennis???0 -
As a newbie I feel there should be a guide to the back stories of the Pro Race forum protagonists“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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He certainly didn't shy away from praising Armstrong on his comeback and saying how much he admired him. Surely he must have been aware of what was really going on when he did this? After all, there was loads of stuff in the public domain about Armstrong's doping by that point. It seems that as recently as March this year Wiggo was still willing to take racing advice off Armstrong:Yellow Peril wrote:I think Wiggo has learnt to keep his mutton chops closed on such big issues as doping as it is all too easy to say the wrong thing and if somehow this all falls apart and LA is exonerated he'll find himself in that awful position of slagging off his mates ex girlfriend only to find out that they are going back out with each other
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/ma ... paris-nice
I really miss the 'old' Wiggins who wasn't afraid to say things like:I spent a lot of time in the group finishing an hour down most days and that's where the heroes are for me. Guys like Geriant Thomas, 21 years old - for the last two weeks I've watched him drag himself through the Alps and the Pyrenees on nothing but bread and water - for me - they are the real heroes of the Tour de France - not the guys on the million Euro contracts who are being done for blood transfusions and things like that.I think they need to take a long look at who they invite to the race over the next few years. If there's a 1% suspicion or doubt that a team is involved in any way in a drugs ring or doping or working with certain doctors, then they shouldn't be invited to the Tour de France - as simple as that - they shouldn't even be given a racing licence until they can prove that they are, through stringent testing procedures, that they are not involved in any wrong doing - until then the ASO shouldn't have them in the Tour de France and the UCI should not have them in the sport.
Etc. Etc. (Taken from a transcript of the key questions at the press conference held by Bradley Wiggins on 27 July 2007 at Manchester Velodrome, following his return to the UK from the Tour de France. This used to be on the BC site). Imagine wanting a team banned just because they had a 'dodgy doctor' on the team, even if there was only a
"1% suspicion or doubt that a team is involved in any way in a drugs". :shock:
Come to that, imagine Wiggo finishing an hour down most days. Times certainly change!0 -
Moray Gub wrote:Gazzetta67 wrote:God you go out for a meal on a midweek and this breaks what have i missed ??
Does this mean he will be stripped off his titles and more importantly will his lovechild "Moray Gub" ever come on here again 8)
I see no reason why i wouldn't come on here and we will see how it all pans out after all we had moronic Celtic fans like you coming your pants hailing Jeff the Hero the last time when the Grand Jury investigation was it its height and we all know how that turned out. Still this gives you the chance to bring forth your Hincapie at Pla D'Adet story ad naseum almost as bad as the bloody graph from that other obsessive. Persoanlly i couldnt give a monkeys either way though its old hat .
Moray I implore you to watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia6dV_G5UxE&feature=player_embedded
...surely you can see the funny side of this? (...tiptoes out of the room...)0 -
TailWindHome wrote:As a newbie I feel there should be a guide to the back stories of the Pro Race forum protagonists
It goes a little something like this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BHQT3Omqtw0 -
Moray Gub wrote:Persoanlly i couldnt give a monkeys either way though its old hat .
well that cant be true as he got the rise out of you enough so you posted... didn't he
on a aside I think it does suggest that onlookers have a vested emotional position which may well effect the outcome.
who knows?"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
I was searching for the original source of another good anti-doping quote from the 'old' Wiggo that I recall, but instead came across this. Made me laugh anyhow!
http://www.bikeradar.com/fitness/articl ... way-23825/Size Zero cyclists – Pro riders who went from slim to slimmer
Jan Ullrich: “I have seen many lean riders in the peloton, but very few Tour winners,” he said in response to criticism of his winter weight. At race weight, he won the Tour de France in 1997, Vuelta e Espana in 1999 and Olympic time trial in 2000.
Lance Armstrong: Pre-1996 and Lance Armstrong was a double Tour de France stage winner and UCI world champion. Post-cancer and the stripped down Armstrong was overall winner of the Tour de France seven successive times.
Bradley Wiggins: Pre-2009 and despite world and Olympic pursuit titles, Wiggins had yet to trouble the overall leaders of a grand Tour. At the 2009 Tour de France, a lightweight Wiggins was a different proposition in the mountains, finishing fourth overall.0 -
TailWindHome wrote:As a newbie I feel there should be a guide to the back stories of the Pro Race forum protagonists
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRnoUNwFOkE&feature=player_detailpage#t=137s"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
BikingBernie wrote:
He certainly didn't shy away from praising Armstrong on his comeback and saying how much he admired him. Surely he must have been aware of what was really going on when he did this? After all, there was loads of stuff in the public domain about Armstrong's doping by that point. It seems that as recently as March this year Wiggo was still willing to take racing advice off Armstrong:Yellow Peril wrote:I think Wiggo has learnt to keep his mutton chops closed on such big issues as doping as it is all too easy to say the wrong thing and if somehow this all falls apart and LA is exonerated he'll find himself in that awful position of slagging off his mates ex girlfriend only to find out that they are going back out with each other
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/ma ... paris-nice
I really miss the 'old' Wiggins who wasn't afraid to say things like:I spent a lot of time in the group finishing an hour down most days and that's where the heroes are for me. Guys like Geriant Thomas, 21 years old - for the last two weeks I've watched him drag himself through the Alps and the Pyrenees on nothing but bread and water - for me - they are the real heroes of the Tour de France - not the guys on the million Euro contracts who are being done for blood transfusions and things like that.I think they need to take a long look at who they invite to the race over the next few years. If there's a 1% suspicion or doubt that a team is involved in any way in a drugs ring or doping or working with certain doctors, then they shouldn't be invited to the Tour de France - as simple as that - they shouldn't even be given a racing licence until they can prove that they are, through stringent testing procedures, that they are not involved in any wrong doing - until then the ASO shouldn't have them in the Tour de France and the UCI should not have them in the sport.
Etc. Etc. (Taken from a transcript of the key questions at the press conference held by Bradley Wiggins on 27 July 2007 at Manchester Velodrome, following his return to the UK from the Tour de France. This used to be on the BC site). Imagine wanting a team banned just because they had a 'dodgy doctor' on the team, even if there was only a
"1% suspicion or doubt that a team is involved in any way in a drugs". :shock:
Come to that, imagine Wiggo finishing an hour down most days. Times certainly change!
To be honest I would have praised him as well just to make my life easier in the peleton, I wouldn't want the Simeoni treatment would you? I would expect at the time of his comeback most of the peleton were still afraid of the power that he wielded. Better to be on the side of the playground bully?
As it was (from what I remember) Wiggo sat on LA's wheel for most of that Tour and bagged himself a 4th. Unfortunately because Wiggo isn't a doper he couldn't hold his wheel when the big moves were made on the decisive hill stages.0 -
This is nothing more than an unsubstantiated declaration of faith...Yellow Peril wrote:Wiggo sat on LA's wheel for most of that Tour and bagged himself a 4th. Unfortunately because Wiggo isn't a doper he couldn't hold his wheel when the big moves were made on the decisive hill stages.0 -
Yellow Peril wrote:
As it was (from what I remember) Wiggo sat on LA's wheel for most of that Tour and bagged himself a 4th. Unfortunately because Wiggo isn't a doper he couldn't hold his wheel when the big moves were made on the decisive hill stages.
hmmmmm yeah and no
did a fair amount of attacking AIRI relative to lance... lance got dropped at verbier and wiggins was up the road and everyone dived on to wiggins wheel in the Pyrenees stage to andora [except bertie]
Lance turned brad over that stage in the alps to La grand Bornard...then hung onto the wheels on ventoux"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
BikingBernie wrote:
This is nothing more than an unsubstantiated declaration of faith...Yellow Peril wrote:Wiggo sat on LA's wheel for most of that Tour and bagged himself a 4th. Unfortunately because Wiggo isn't a doper he couldn't hold his wheel when the big moves were made on the decisive hill stages.
you havn't got a lot of ammo yourself thou"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
BikingBernie wrote:
This is nothing more than an unsubstantiated declaration of faith...Yellow Peril wrote:Wiggo sat on LA's wheel for most of that Tour and bagged himself a 4th. Unfortunately because Wiggo isn't a doper he couldn't hold his wheel when the big moves were made on the decisive hill stages.
I would describe it as circumstantial evidence of his non-doping just as I would describe your spotlight on his silence and current form as circumstantial evidence of him being a doper. But I bet if we took the average cyclist off the Clapham Broom wagon and asked him to consider both of our arguments that he would agree with me and not you.0 -
Yellow Peril wrote:BikingBernie wrote:
This is nothing more than an unsubstantiated declaration of faith...Yellow Peril wrote:Wiggo sat on LA's wheel for most of that Tour and bagged himself a 4th. Unfortunately because Wiggo isn't a doper he couldn't hold his wheel when the big moves were made on the decisive hill stages.
I would describe it as circumstantial evidence of his non-doping just as I would describe your spotlight on his silence and current form as circumstantial evidence of him being a doper. But I bet if we took the average cyclist off the Clapham Broom wagon and asked him to consider both of our arguments that he would agree with me and not you. Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
mididoctors wrote:Yellow Peril wrote:
As it was (from what I remember) Wiggo sat on LA's wheel for most of that Tour and bagged himself a 4th. Unfortunately because Wiggo isn't a doper he couldn't hold his wheel when the big moves were made on the decisive hill stages.
hmmmmm yeah and no
did a fair amount of attacking AIRI relative to lance... lance got dropped at verbier and wiggins was up the road and everyone dived on to wiggins wheel in the Pyrenees stage to andora [except bertie]
Lance turned brad over that stage in the alps to La grand Bornard...then hung onto the wheels on ventoux
Yes and no? You are too polite. Virtually all no, including LGB, where Lance sat on Brad's wheel for most of the climb and jumped him towards the top. Then he hitched a ride with Nibali, who caught him, with ease, on the downhill.
Yellow Peril's memory is as jaded as his hero's rhetoric."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Does this mean Lance is now free to compete in Gran Fondo's like other drug cheats like Ricco?+++++++++++++++++++++
we are the proud, the few, Descendents.
Panama - finally putting a nail in the economic theory of the trickle down effect.0 -
Blazing Saddles wrote:mididoctors wrote:Yellow Peril wrote:
As it was (from what I remember) Wiggo sat on LA's wheel for most of that Tour and bagged himself a 4th. Unfortunately because Wiggo isn't a doper he couldn't hold his wheel when the big moves were made on the decisive hill stages.
hmmmmm yeah and no
did a fair amount of attacking AIRI relative to lance... lance got dropped at verbier and wiggins was up the road and everyone dived on to wiggins wheel in the Pyrenees stage to andora [except bertie]
Lance turned brad over that stage in the alps to La grand Bornard...then hung onto the wheels on ventoux
Yes and no? You are too polite. Virtually all no, including LGB, where Lance sat on Brad's wheel for most of the climb and jumped him towards the top. Then he hitched a ride with Nibali, who caught him, with ease, on the downhill.
Yellow Peril's memory is as jaded as his hero's rhetoric.
I genuflect to those who recall better than I. I'm curious though as to who my hero is0 -
Bassons and Simeoni have their say.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bassons ... is-overdue
Good to see, under the circumstances, that both have moved on with their lives.0 -
Bernie, you just don't like Sky.
You don't like their corporate sponsor, you don't like the way they came in and just started chucking money around, you don't like the patriotic fervour around them, you don't like they way they poached Wiggins, you don't like Cav.
You even may have a point in some of that.
But you actually want them to fail.
You've invested too much antipathy in them. You've lost any objectivity. You'd actually be pleased if they busted Brailsford with a syringe in his hand. Doubly so if the other end was deep in Cav's buttock.
Please, please give it a rest. We all know there's no categorical certainty. There's no need to drag your big gloomy cloud over our heads and threaten to rain on us. Why not let us enjoy a little cautious optimism, rather than tilting at windmills? God knows there are enough targets out there for you with properly dodgy credentials without having to invent more.
All pessimism is a dire, joyless affair.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
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I wondered what the rest of the world thought, outside of cycling forums
http://www.letsgopens.com/scripts/phpBB ... &p=2131192
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Guess who said this, at the 2007 Tour......."You can see the differences," he said. "As a rider it is easily perceptible, or as a well-educated fan sitting at home. You get to a climb and everyone has maybe one or two team-mates with him -- that is doable. You can't have a leader's team getting to the final climb with five guys on the front, like every year from three years back all the way back. It is impossible to ride the front with your whole team and get to the final climb with most of your team still on the front -- and be ready to come back and do it day in and day out."
Two clues: Bald and beetroot.
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0
