STRIKE!
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So our first year of work is the same - I started on 21k (take home less because of pro rata - last time I'll mention this, just want y'all to be sure that teachers don't take home advertised wages).Kaise wrote:a qualified nurse, whose salary band is 21k to 27k.0 -
Northwind wrote:DCR00 wrote:Working in the private sector, if my employer changes my T&Cs I have two options – put up with it and get on with it, or move jobs. I don't have the option to strike
Why not?
cause i dont work in an company that has a union
i could just not go into work, but then i would get sacked
besides that, as i said in my post, even if i could strike, i wouldnt0 -
bluechair84 wrote:DCR00 wrote:cazmotron wrote:Fully-sprung wrote:
It's about less pension money and more money having to be paid in, the government hasn't got the money to put in them selves, the country is in debt, and the people that work in the privet sector pay their wages and pensions, and what pensions do they get in return, a worse one than you lot. This effects everyone in some way, in my working lifetime I'll be paying off the debt you demanding cnuts have made and I'll be working for more years and then I'll have nothing to show for it. Thanks pr!cks.sheepsteeth wrote:im in work, i dont know what the strike is about.
i think it is something to do with getting less money and having to work longer to get it?
unfortunately i will also be getting less money in my pension but as far as i can tell, bleeting and whining about it wont change the fact there isnt enough money and lets be honest, my pension (which you are all paying for thank you very much) is pretty sweet anyway!
The pension is the only thing that makes working in the public sector attractive and even then its not the best. My mate basically does the same job as I do except in the private sector, he gets atleast 10k a year more, pays 0% contributions to his pension, gets a yearly bonus and has had pay rises every year
work somewhere else then. Nobody is forcing anyone to work in Public Sector. if you dont like it, get a job somwhere else.
Terrific attitude, I'm a great teacher, students love my lessons, they are doing well in their course. Maybe I should take your advice (which I'm thinking of doing, I fancy a little cafe in the hills serving bikers cake and tea...), who do you think is going to educate your little darlings then? It'll be people who scraped through uni, can't get a job anywhere else and turn to teaching because there's f all to do with their lives - all the skilled workers will take their skills elsewhere. It's the same attitude to experienced bankers - they have to be paid high wages because if we don't pay them, they'll work somewhere else yet apparently, we aren't important enough to society to receive the same ethos. If teachers don't want to be part of the eduction system, how are you going to convince your children that it's the best place for them - they have to want to be here.
Nobody is forcing us, but if it isn't an attractive career you're going to find it filled by people who you don't want teaching your children.
And you don't contribute to my pension - the gov wont do the paperwork to demonstrate that you do. In 2007 it was made so that tax payers don't invest in teachers pensions (because we aren't worth it?).
nobody is forcing you to be a teacher tho are they ? if you choose to work in that industry, then you accept the salary & conditions that are being offered. If you dont like them, change jobs.
i did minimum wage jobs for 4 years after leaving school, earning sh*te money whilst my mates who went to Uni were earning twice what i was right after graduating. Did i moan about that ? No, instead i went back to college, then to Uni (paying myself through both) and got a better job
people seem to think that they are entitled to any number of things when they work, and to a certain extent that is true i.e. treated fairly, work in a safe environment etc, but at the end of the day its a commercial arrangement between you and the employer, so entitlement doesnt come into it0 -
DCR00 wrote:people seem to think that they are entitled to any number of things when they work, and to a certain extent that is true i.e. treated fairly, work in a safe environment etc, but at the end of the day its a commercial arrangement between you and the employer, so entitlement doesnt come into it
+ all the potatoes in the world, including those that have been produced and eaten and those that are yet to be grown!0 -
Sounds like we need to fast forward the appocalpyse.0
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Kaise wrote:DCR00 wrote:people seem to think that they are entitled to any number of things when they work, and to a certain extent that is true i.e. treated fairly, work in a safe environment etc, but at the end of the day its a commercial arrangement between you and the employer, so entitlement doesnt come into it
+ all the potatoes in the world, including those that have been produced and eaten and those that are yet to be grown!
More potatoes.. lots more potatoes!0 -
And a sodding puncture. To hell with strikers, I've got my own problems.cooldad wrote:
M3 and M25 closed due to accidents. Three and a half farking hours to get to work.The Northern Monkey wrote:I'l be looking forward to an easy and traffic free journey to work tomorrow
I blame the strikers and Wiggle.I don't do smileys.
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Kaise wrote:Im 28, by the time i reach 70 I will need to reach 75 years of age to be entitled to a state pension, i could have told you this when i was 22. So i am saving and always have been, to make sure i have a stash when im old, £150 per month, every month since i was 16 when i got a job and didnt think the world owed me anything. on my calculations i will have £100k (not taking in to account interest at 0.000000000001%).
^this. I've saved as much as possible for nearly 15 years now since watching my old mans print union and pension do feck all to help him. Still have 2 private pensions and 7 years membership of the LGPS but an ISA and compound interest are your friend, I'm already over £100k and should be able to retire at 65 with a decent income.Visit Clacton during the School holidays - it's like a never ending freak show.
Who are you calling inbred?0 -
Wow so much for the lunchtime de stress
Just what i need a bunch of school kids and students telling me about life...........feck off0 -
I'm 39, have a decent job, decent wage, decent car, house.. how the hell did that happen, oh yeah, I friggin well worked my @ss off to get it....... still don't have a pension though!!
When I was 25, I was on 16k.. I managed, I got on with life, I don't understand why kids nowadays have to be on 50k straight from University!!0 -
DCR00 wrote:spongtastic wrote:compound interest is your friend.
this
far better to save up your money and let compound interest do its thing than risk your money in a pension
This is certainly interesting, care to tell me what I'm missing out on? I have a savings account but don't know much about it... it has interest...0 -
bluechair84 wrote:DCR00 wrote:spongtastic wrote:compound interest is your friend.
this
far better to save up your money and let compound interest do its thing than risk your money in a pension
This is certainly interesting, care to tell me what I'm missing out on? I have a savings account but don't know much about it... it has interest...
if you are willing to take the risk Bank of Ireland fixed Isa's 5 years 4.5%
uk inflation currently 5.2% CPI over 6% :O
so if you invest 1000 today and nothing more in 5 years you would have roughly £1250 woo woo
unfoutunatley in 2016 £1250 is worth approx £920 today*
*Please note this is the CrudCatcher and the value of bullshit can go down as well as up0 -
Which means the most sensible thing you can spend your money on is blow and hookers.
Then die.I don't do smileys.
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mak3m wrote:bluechair84 wrote:DCR00 wrote:spongtastic wrote:compound interest is your friend.
this
far better to save up your money and let compound interest do its thing than risk your money in a pension
This is certainly interesting, care to tell me what I'm missing out on? I have a savings account but don't know much about it... it has interest...
if you are willing to take the risk Bank of Ireland fixed Isa's 5 years 4.5%
uk inflation currently 5.2% CPI over 6% :O
so if you invest 1000 today and nothing more in 5 years you would have roughly £1250 woo woo
unfoutunatley in 2016 £1250 is worth approx £920 today*
*Please note this is the CrudCatcher and the value of bullshit can go down as well as up
wont always be like that tho
before the crash and the recession, inflation was steady at 2.5% and high interest savings were at 6.5%
compound interest is pretty boring with a fixed principal, however if you save the same amount every month, over say 20 years, then it gets interesting
that said, i like CoolDads investment solution0 -
cooldad wrote:Which means the most sensible thing you can spend your money on is blow and hookers.
Then die.
How did you think I was spending strike day?
But there won't be any erotic asphixiation-to-death (which I think has another name...) today, I'm saving that one.0 -
one flaw in cooldads scheme is that it requires further investment, limes dont grown on trees you know0
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Well I'm in work at the Ambulance control centre and there is a full staff in. the picket line was very disapointing only 1 person on it when I came in at 2, so wanted to go over to him and say (in best John Clease voice) "Solidarity Brother"Attention all planets of the Solar Federation - We have assumed control.0
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Gazlar has got his serious hat on this evening.
As a private sector worker, I took my hit on my pensions 5 or so years ago and now pay around double what I did to get the same back. The public sector has an inate problem in the fact that not only does it have an increasing pensions burden, but over the last dozen or so years the level of staff became swollen to an unsustainable level. The public sector became too reliant on borrowed money, and the tax revenues that those jobs created on borrowed money created. Now the borrowed money is at too high a level to keep borrowing so we need to cut back, but in doing so then we lose the tax revenuesand push up the benefit bill, either way the country has been left with a sows ear to make a silk purse out of . My feeling is that the economic boom of the 90's and 00's was exacerbated by this and people landed jobs that we simply couldn't keep funding. These people keep spending, taking on debt which needs paying back at some point, and then the day comes that the money runs out, so what can you do, we cant afford to pay them, so they are made redundant and so the spiral continues, boom and bust quite simply.
What we have to do is tough it out, accept that for ten years we might not be as well off and roll our sleeves up. My favourite example of this is Jaguar Landrover employees a few years back who took pay and hours cuts as opposed to redundancies, got on with it, accepted the fiscal situation, now the company is profitable and investing in new plants and new staff. I'd hate to see anyone out of pocket, or on the dole, but in the situation we are in we have to cut our cloth accordingly and look to build back up steadily, and sensibly
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Public sector workers burn babies.0
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Bunch of blinkered slackers.....all of them.....may there breath stink of kerry katona's kebab0
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DCR00 wrote:people seem to think that they are entitled to any number of things when they work, and to a certain extent that is true i.e. treated fairly, work in a safe environment etc, but at the end of the day its a commercial arrangement between you and the employer, so entitlement doesnt come into it
But that's kind of the point- you make an arrangement with your employer. They feel entitled because they've signed up for it and paid for it- kind of the definition of "entitled" tbh. This is a bit like saying you shouldn't feel entitled to your bike, just because you paid for it, after all it's just a commercial arrangement. If the shop comes back to you tomorrow and says "Actually we've decided you need to pay an extra £200 for that bike", you'd be delighted I'm sure.Uncompromising extremist0 -
Northwind wrote:DCR00 wrote:people seem to think that they are entitled to any number of things when they work, and to a certain extent that is true i.e. treated fairly, work in a safe environment etc, but at the end of the day its a commercial arrangement between you and the employer, so entitlement doesnt come into it
But that's kind of the point- you make an arrangement with your employer. They feel entitled because they've signed up for it and paid for it- kind of the definition of "entitled" tbh. This is a bit like saying you shouldn't feel entitled to your bike, just because you paid for it, after all it's just a commercial arrangement. If the shop comes back to you tomorrow and says "Actually we've decided you need to pay an extra £200 for that bike", you'd be delighted I'm sure.
Whilst also taking away the wheels 0 -
me think's we havnt seen anything YET , the BAST£$%Ds are are trying to give us 1% per year for two years after at least 2 years of NO pay rises . National Strike any one and a proper one this time0
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bluechair84 wrote:Northwind wrote:DCR00 wrote:people seem to think that they are entitled to any number of things when they work, and to a certain extent that is true i.e. treated fairly, work in a safe environment etc, but at the end of the day its a commercial arrangement between you and the employer, so entitlement doesnt come into it
But that's kind of the point- you make an arrangement with your employer. They feel entitled because they've signed up for it and paid for it- kind of the definition of "entitled" tbh. This is a bit like saying you shouldn't feel entitled to your bike, just because you paid for it, after all it's just a commercial arrangement. If the shop comes back to you tomorrow and says "Actually we've decided you need to pay an extra £200 for that bike", you'd be delighted I'm sure.
Whilst also taking away the wheels
But that shop has a right to change its pricing at any point that it needs to, be it put the price up because its in demand, or lower it when it needs to shift it, Wages however aren't that flexible0
