STRIKE!

thekickingmule

I have no shame whatsoever in crossing the picket line. I hardly a scab just because I don't give a flying f**k about what I see as people whinging over.
Get on with your lives and do some work instead of moaning about it.

Raymondavalon

thekickingmule wrote:

I have no shame whatsoever in crossing the picket line. I hardly a scab just because I don't give a flying f**k about what I see as people whinging over.
Get on with your lives and do some work instead of moaning about it.

Stevo_666

Ginjafro wrote:

I shall be waving my "Official Picket" placard to any scab who has no shame what-so-ever in crossing the line to work.

Sounds like you're stuck in some sort of time warp where it's still the 1984 miners strike and stupid tw@ts tried to inimidate people who wanted to work for a living.

Northwind

CraigXXL wrote:

The basis that it takes more in than paid out now so the future pension must be okay doesn't work for those reasons already stated so any excess is used to balance the budget, reduce borrowings and keep down the tax rates for as long as possible.

...and paid for by the pension contributors. Understand, here, I'm not saying this would automatically fix any potential future defecit, but it can't fail to reduce it. 2 billion quid, last year, according to government figures!

Demanding that the individuals pay for a potential shortfall while skimming off the excess for other purposes is IMO indefensible.

j_l

The whole subject makes my blood boil, get back to work you lazy fookers, get a reality check and grow up.
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sheepsteeth

Ginjafro wrote:

I shall be waving my "Official Picket" placard to any scab who has no shame what-so-ever in crossing the line to work. Then I might go for a bike ride. I'll call it a "Sportive" ride 'cause its going to be a bloody expensive day but should be worth it.

you are a webbo

thekickingmule wrote:

I have no shame whatsoever in crossing the picket line. I hardly a scab just because I don't give a flying f**k about what I see as people whinging over.
Get on with your lives and do some work instead of moaning about it.

you are bang on.

I cant see this strike action doing any good at all, the changes will happen, all of us in the public sector can choose to get different jobs if we dont like the unfortunate terms of the current one. no matter how you dice it we will all be either working longer, paying more or getting less and short of getting new jobs there is nowt we can do about it. the only thing this strik will affect is the pay packets of those who strike who should be missing a days pay.

spongtastic

The strike is pointless. The overall pension fund is ok at the moment, but wont be in around 5 to 10 years. Just think about areas where there's been huge cuts and the difference in numbers paying in and expecting a pay out. Labour keep chanting tax the bankers but if they do most will just piss off to somewhere else and we'll lose all their tax revenue.

In terms of a pay freeze at 1% the news made me laugh last night, one family said they'd have to think about giving up smoking, 20 a day each. I wish I had nearly £400 a month to waste.

Plus working closely with the public sector I know how over staffed many areas are. There's 4 people in one section managing a budget of £6k, when their salary costs must be nearer £120k.

TheNorthernTrain

It might be old fashioned but anyone who strikes should be given the sack. With current unemployment rates there are plenty of people who would be willing (and are just as capable) to do the jobs for the current salary and benefits.

Quit your fucking whinging and stop disrupting the lives of decent honest people....

allen.coulson

As I drove in to work today I noticed that the average tw@ishness and incompetence of driving had increased. I assume that this means that private sector drivers are more incompetent than public sector drivers. This arises because there were no public sector drivers on the road today and therefore this morning's sample was purely private sector.

cat_with_no_tail

allen.coulson wrote:

As I drove in to work today I noticed that the average tw@ishness and incompetence of driving had increased. I assume that this means that private sector drivers are more incompetent than public sector drivers. This arises because there were no public sector drivers on the road today and therefore this morning's sample was purely private sector.

You have failed to add parents into the mix there.
The ones who have had to stay home with Jr because hes off school. Bet most of them drive like tw@ts.

foxc_uk

I came in to work today, but there was no picket line to cross, I think most of the people in the Uni who are striking are staying home in a 'silent protest' style. (I'm not a union member, as I can't afford the membership)
I don't like the idea of my pension contributions going up - no pay rise for 2 years (no cost of living amendments either) mean that I'm really stretched with my monthly outgoings, but I don't see how the government can do anything else.

At the polls I knew whoever got in was going to be a really unpopular government because of what Labour did, but some of the areas they are cutting funding to (NHS, libraries, OAP care, child care etc etc) are a very bitter pill to swallow.

Ah well, I don't think I'll be working in the public sector for much longer, which is a shame because I'm gonna have to take close to a £6k paycut for the pleasure.. :-/

Stevo_666

foxc_uk wrote:

Ah well, I don't think I'll be working in the public sector for much longer, which is a shame because I'm gonna have to take close to a £6k paycut for the pleasure.. :-/

This is why these strikers are thankless whingeing tw@ts. Public sector workers now get on average better paid and have better pensions than the private sector (WTF?!) and they're striking about it. Give me a Chieftain Tank and I'll cross their frikkin picket line... (Not having a go at you foxc)

bluechair84

As a teacher, taking this pension cut is a hard sucker punch because people think I earn 25k, but I get far less. I earn less than the average wage despite years of experience and various qualifications. I could drop this and train to become a lawyer and earn a lot more but, I happen to enjoy the job. So we're an easy target because they know we are altruistic enough to put our work before ourselves, and expect us to roll over and give up the one final thing that realistically makes teaching a worthwhile financial proposition.
The argument is, at least you have a job... well a friend in a school in London has been spat on by her children, surrounded by youth gang members and threatened, 'sex grabbed' on the stairs and generally intimidated by feral shits. She is not able to get a job anywhere else as there are none going so she stays. Some job to stick to huh?

DCR00

cazmotron wrote:

Fully-sprung wrote:

sheepsteeth wrote:

im in work, i dont know what the strike is about.

i think it is something to do with getting less money and having to work longer to get it?

unfortunately i will also be getting less money in my pension but as far as i can tell, bleeting and whining about it wont change the fact there isnt enough money and lets be honest, my pension (which you are all paying for thank you very much) is pretty sweet anyway!

It's about less pension money and more money having to be paid in, the government hasn't got the money to put in them selves, the country is in debt, and the people that work in the privet sector pay their wages and pensions, and what pensions do they get in return, a worse one than you lot. This effects everyone in some way, in my working lifetime I'll be paying off the debt you demanding cnuts have made and I'll be working for more years and then I'll have nothing to show for it. Thanks pr!cks.

The pension is the only thing that makes working in the public sector attractive and even then its not the best. My mate basically does the same job as I do except in the private sector, he gets atleast 10k a year more, pays 0% contributions to his pension, gets a yearly bonus and has had pay rises every year

work somewhere else then. Nobody is forcing anyone to work in Public Sector. if you dont like it, get a job somwhere else.

DCR00

what gets on my tits is the sense of entitlement that a lot people who are striking are spouting

Working in the private sector, if my employer changes my T&Cs I have two options – put up with it and get on with it, or move jobs. I don't have the option to strike, and even if I did, I wouldn’t.

I understand that people don't want to pay more for their pension, but striking is not the solution, and just effects the people that are at work today.

The govt aren’t going to budge on this, cause they can’t, so get over it, and get back to work.

Stevo_666

DCR beat me to it.

My old man was a teacher: he got paid pants and there was plenty he was unhappy about but he never went on strike. Find some other way of protesting that doesn't mess up my kids education :evil: (that I've paid for through my taxes - bet you get paid for being on strike today...).

angry_bird

At the end of the day everyone just wants the best deal for themselves, me included.

For me I've decided it's going to be shit, at the moment it looks like I'm going to graduate having spent 5 years at uni racking up a massive student loan that I'll struggle to pay off, earn a shit salary considering the amount of work and training that goes in. Times like this I wonder why the fuck I'm bothering at all, would be easier to just drop out and go do a medical degree... just hope the work itself is going to be worth it after all. Having said that I could easily go to the states on my degree and for the same job easily earn twice as much as I would here, with all the extras included too like insurance etc.

But right now my attitude towards most things is fairly meh. I'm 21 and sick to death of everything already, politics, the economy, this country in general, as are plenty of other people my age, future looks bright doesn't it...

DCR00

Angry Bird wrote:

At the end of the day everyone just wants the best deal for themselves, me included.

For me I've decided it's going to be shoot, at the moment it looks like I'm going to graduate having spent 5 years at uni racking up a massive student loan that I'll struggle to pay off, earn a shoot salary considering the amount of work and training that goes in. Times like this I wonder why the fark I'm bothering at all, would be easier to just drop out and go do a medical degree... just hope the work itself is going to be worth it after all. Having said that I could easily go to the states on my degree and for the same job easily earn twice as much as I would here, with all the extras included too like insurance etc.

But right now my attitude towards most things is fairly meh. I'm 21 and sick to death of everything already, politics, the economy, this country in general, as are plenty of other people my age, future looks bright doesn't it...

my Wife found a job in 3 months after taking a year off to have my Son

there are plenty of jobs out there

angry_bird

I'll get a job, no problem with that. But like I said at the end of the day everyone just wants what's best for them, and considering the amount of work I'm putting in, for a salary that really doesn't reflect that coupled with the way the future is looking increasingly shit doesn't really seem worth it right now.

Kaise

I used to work for a well known defence company that strikes at the drop of a hat. i understand the intention of strike action, and on occassion it works, but only when there is something that can be conceeded by the other party. In this case the government are screwed whatever they do so it wont do a damn thing.

my opinion on all of this is as follows;
Im 28, by the time i reach 70 I will need to reach 75 years of age to be entitled to a state pension, i could have told you this when i was 22. So i am saving and always have been, to make sure i have a stash when im old, £150 per month, every month since i was 16 when i got a job and didnt think the world owed me anything. on my calculations i will have £100k (not taking in to account interest at 0.000000000001%). By 75 i will have paid off my mortgage and I will able to pay my bills etc etc. and this is based on me doing this job, which i aim to improve on in the future!

The days of pensions are no more! give it up, get on with your life!

infact thinking about it, why dont they draw a line in the sand, everyone under 30 / 35 pays their national insurance into a different pot, this is for the NHS only and is paid at the same rate as we pay now for everything else. Everyone older continues to pay toward their state pension which will be worth £10 a week anyway, no matter what happens.

If you are moaning about not getting paid enough at the moment then apply for a better job, if you dont get it then you arent worth the extra money, improve yourself and go for a different job.

bluechair84

DCR00 wrote:

cazmotron wrote:

Fully-sprung wrote:

sheepsteeth wrote:

im in work, i dont know what the strike is about.

i think it is something to do with getting less money and having to work longer to get it?

unfortunately i will also be getting less money in my pension but as far as i can tell, bleeting and whining about it wont change the fact there isnt enough money and lets be honest, my pension (which you are all paying for thank you very much) is pretty sweet anyway!

It's about less pension money and more money having to be paid in, the government hasn't got the money to put in them selves, the country is in debt, and the people that work in the privet sector pay their wages and pensions, and what pensions do they get in return, a worse one than you lot. This effects everyone in some way, in my working lifetime I'll be paying off the debt you demanding cnuts have made and I'll be working for more years and then I'll have nothing to show for it. Thanks pr!cks.

The pension is the only thing that makes working in the public sector attractive and even then its not the best. My mate basically does the same job as I do except in the private sector, he gets atleast 10k a year more, pays 0% contributions to his pension, gets a yearly bonus and has had pay rises every year

work somewhere else then. Nobody is forcing anyone to work in Public Sector. if you dont like it, get a job somwhere else.

Terrific attitude, I'm a great teacher, students love my lessons, they are doing well in their course. Maybe I should take your advice (which I'm thinking of doing, I fancy a little cafe in the hills serving bikers cake and tea...), who do you think is going to educate your little darlings then? It'll be people who scraped through uni, can't get a job anywhere else and turn to teaching because there's f all to do with their lives - all the skilled workers will take their skills elsewhere. It's the same attitude to experienced bankers - they have to be paid high wages because if we don't pay them, they'll work somewhere else yet apparently, we aren't important enough to society to receive the same ethos. If teachers don't want to be part of the eduction system, how are you going to convince your children that it's the best place for them - they have to want to be here.
Nobody is forcing us, but if it isn't an attractive career you're going to find it filled by people who you don't want teaching your children.
And you don't contribute to my pension - the gov wont do the paperwork to demonstrate that you do. In 2007 it was made so that tax payers don't invest in teachers pensions (because we aren't worth it?).

bluechair84

Kaise wrote:

If you are moaning about not getting paid enough at the moment then apply for a better job, if you dont get it then you arent worth the extra money, improve yourself and go for a different job.

This demonstrates exactly what will happen to the education system. Teaching should be the career people to aspire to get into, not be what's left over when you flunk every other position. The best people WILL go else where and workshy underqualified people will be all that's left over to educate the people who are supposed to stablise the economy in the future.

Kaise

bluechair84 wrote:

Kaise wrote:

If you are moaning about not getting paid enough at the moment then apply for a better job, if you dont get it then you arent worth the extra money, improve yourself and go for a different job.

This demonstrates exactly what will happen to the education system. Teaching should be the career people to aspire to get into, not be what's left over when you flunk every other position. The best people WILL go else where and workshy underqualified people will be all that's left over to educate the people who are supposed to stablise the economy in the future.

no this demonstrates that i actually know what i am on about and that teachers get paid what they are worth, no more and noe less. my teachers were sh*te and the only reason i have got to where i am now is because i have a drive and passion for something. i didnt get here through uni, i didnt get here through a grad scheme and i certainly didnt get here thanks to a maths teacher who told me "i'd never make anything of myself" a physics teacher who didnt understand physics or an english teacher who didnt know shakespeare from dahl. I got here because i taught myself stuff, read text books and took the exams required to get the qualifications i needed to progress.

teachers need a reality check, you are not anymore important than anyone else in the world, the standard whinge
"we work more hours a week than everybody else" - you also get 10 weeks plus holiday a year, and i work a 55 hour week and get the normal holidays.

I wont home educate my kids i know that, but i wonmt be relying on some twunt in a building down the road to teach them anything either!!

bluechair84

It's the other way around - offer a shit career - get shit teachers. The contract gets the employees it deserves. If the contract was better, more highly skilled people would come to the system and maybe you'd have had better teachers. And don't forget that we do not get paid for the holidays, yet we work through them. Reducing the quality of the contract will lead to a reduction in the quality of candidates.
Oh and some other pleb earlier said we'd be paid for our day off.... I'm not. I don't know about anyone else.

cooldad

The Northern Monkey wrote:

I'l be looking forward to an easy and traffic free journey to work tomorrow

M3 and M25 closed due to accidents. Three and a half farking hours to get to work.
I blame the strikers and Wiggle.

bluechair84

we're in cahoots

thekickingmule

bluechair84 wrote:

And don't forget that we do not get paid for the holidays, yet we work through them.

Eh? You're paid a salary, that's spread out over 12 months. You get 12 pay packets. I've yet to see a teacher work in August.
I work at a university, I work every day except for Bank Holidays and 25 days holiday. It pi$$es me off no end when tutors come back in September and ask 'so where did you go for your holidays?' to be met by my response of 'I've been here' 'What? All summer?' :roll:

Seriously, teachers are deluded. They think they have the hardest job in the world, they really do. I think they'd have a real shock to the system if they got a different job.

I would like to point out though, that it's not just teachers that are on strike, so lets not pick on just them.

Kaise

Serious question
Who gets paid more a Nurse or a Teacher (same experience level and relative career standing?

bluechair84

We are paid pro rata, which means that there is an advertised salary, from which holidays are deducted and the final amount is spread out over 12 pay packets. We are paid over the holidays, not for the holidays. This means that despite years of experience and my qualifications, I get less than the national average.

Kaise

a qualified nurse, a job that is hard hours, stress, emotional stress and they are band 5 public sector workers whose salary band is 21k to 27k.

i have friends that a teacher who i know are earning more than that and only qualified 1 year ago

anyway this isnt a debate about whether teachers should get more or less, its a debate about them getting what they deserve!!