Who hit this place with the Ugly Stick?

veronese68

MonkeyMonster wrote:

Veronese68 wrote:

Much better now I'm at home and using Firefox. I might get the unmentionable thing everybody's mentioned. Using ie6 at work is really frustrating. I need to keep it as I use a look up programme that only works on 6 and IT won't let me run 2 browsers.

You deserve a hug and a bottle of champagne for *having* to keep working in ie6

Jeff - what % of viewers still use ie6?

I don't expect many things to work on ie6 any more. I keep it to use the old MG Rover parts look up system. That's not about to be upgraded as it doesn't exist any more. Problem with dealling with obsolete cars is dealing with obsolete technology. I still use a microfiche reader sometimes. I don't expect the forum will work on that either. It would be nice if this place would let me run Firefox as well though.

josnor

MonkeyMonster wrote:

Jeff - what % of viewers still use ie6?

Enough that we don't officially support it any more. (There was much rejoicing amongst the developers at Future when that decision was made, I can tell you!)

ketsbaia

I reckon it's all right.

*ducks and runs*

veronese68

josnor wrote:

MonkeyMonster wrote:

Jeff - what % of viewers still use ie6?

Enough that we don't officially support it any more. (There was much rejoicing amongst the developers at Future when that decision was made, I can tell you!)

I understand this and am not moaning about it. I'm moaning about my computer and this place. I fully appreciate that I'm a problem child.
At home on my slightly less obsolete machine all is well with the world.
I think you should fix it for those on 7 though, before they gather up a lynch mob.

josnor

Veronese68 wrote:

I think you should fix it for those on 7 though, before they gather up a lynch mob.

We're whipping up a fix as I type!

ketsbaia

Why is anyone with a choice running IE anything?

suzyb

ketsbaia wrote:

Why is anyone with a choice running IE anything?

I don't think most of those running IE anything have a choice though

I long for the day we stop supporting IE 7 as well. Sadly it looks like that will be a long way off

MonkeyMonster

Veronese68 wrote:

MonkeyMonster wrote:

Veronese68 wrote:

Much better now I'm at home and using Firefox. I might get the unmentionable thing everybody's mentioned. Using ie6 at work is really frustrating. I need to keep it as I use a look up programme that only works on 6 and IT won't let me run 2 browsers.

You deserve a hug and a bottle of champagne for *having* to keep working in ie6

Jeff - what % of viewers still use ie6?

I don't expect many things to work on ie6 any more. I keep it to use the old MG Rover parts look up system. That's not about to be upgraded as it doesn't exist any more. Problem with dealling with obsolete cars is dealing with obsolete technology. I still use a microfiche reader sometimes. I don't expect the forum will work on that either. It would be nice if this place would let me run Firefox as well though.

Chrome can often be installed round the backs of lockdowned machines...

rick_chasey

Totally OT but I read somewhere (someone who obtained some leaked documents regarding how Google check their algorithms for quality control), that Google use Firefox browsers for this process.

dilemna

Jeff Jones wrote:

ToeKnee wrote:

At least it's back ... progress of the upgrade (?) was not communicated very well at all.

There were announcements posted in every forum. Unfortunately we couldn't update those last week after the initial attempt to restart the forum because ... we couldn't post on the forum.

The main reason behind this upgrade was because the old forum was in danger of falling over, as it had done so already earlier this year. You should notice a marked increase in speed with this one.

Other feedback is best posted here and we'll see what we can do: viewforum.php?f=40033

Thanks. It is a lot quicker except opening to reply to your post . I like the new format. There are always whingers when there is a big change. A few weeks on and everyone will have forgotten the old and enjoying the new. Anyway it is not what the forum looks like but the quality of what's on it that is important .

I suggest everyone goes to the office forum and reads the new website thread If you are having probs with blocks appearing on pages then click on the icon in your toolbar that resembles a page breaking in half horizontally across the middle next to the re-fresh tab and downward arrow tab. One click is all you need and it has worked for me. HTH.

nicklouse wrote:

VWsurfbum wrote:

IE7
Where is this compatability button then?

MaxwellBygraves

It's a bloomin' forum, just get on with it!!

jonny_trousers

Oh dear it's getting a bit full-on now. A bit like what I imagine certain porn sites look like with their clubbing you around the heads with their ads. Having never actually visited a porn site myself, however, I cannot say for sure. I may have to look for it-that-shall-not-be-named myself now.

jonginge

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet but links within posts now enact in the current view rather than spawn a new tab/window as before. Bit annoying that.

TBH I don't mind change that much. Ta to the devs for the upgrade which keeps the forum going. It is, in the main, faster. I'm sure the look and feel will get tweaked as time goes by.

ETA: Oh yeah, is there a way to add the quote button back to posts for anonymous users (lurkers). I wanted to reply to a particular post rather than append to the thread. Had to click login and then find the post again to reply (I was redirected to the board index rather than the forum I was browsing.)

EKE_38BPM

JonGinge wrote:

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet but links within posts now enact in the current view rather than spawn a new tab/window as before. Bit annoying that.

Yeah, fix this!!

Jeff Jones

EKE_38BPM wrote:

JonGinge wrote:

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet but links within posts now enact in the current view rather than spawn a new tab/window as before. Bit annoying that.

Yeah, fix this!!

I prefer it but our developer disagrees (bad usability/accessibility practice). See: viewtopic.php?f=30005&t=12809703&start=60 - you can always use ctrl+click or the middle mouse button. I'm going to persist and will see if I get used to it.

greg66_tri_v2.0

Jeff Jones wrote:

I prefer it but our developer disagrees (bad usability/accessibility practice). See: viewtopic.php?f=30005&t=12809703&start=60 - you can always use ctrl+click or the middle mouse button. I'm going to persist and will see if I get used to it.

This. This perfectly summarises why I dislike website developers. Let me translate.

Jeff Jones wrote:

The organ grinder prefers it but his monkey disagrees

Who's in charge, eh, eh, eh?

Come on Jeff, show him who's boss.

Jay dubbleU

I don't have any choice at work - I'm stuck with IE7 - still big blue squares all over the place

Jeff Jones

Greg66 wrote:

Jeff Jones wrote:

I prefer it but our developer disagrees (bad usability/accessibility practice). See: viewtopic.php?f=30005&t=12809703&start=60 - you can always use ctrl+click or the middle mouse button. I'm going to persist and will see if I get used to it.

This. This perfectly summarises why I dislike website developers. Let me translate.

Jeff Jones wrote:

The organ grinder prefers it but his monkey disagrees

Who's in charge, eh, eh, eh?

Come on Jeff, show him who's boss.

We will discuss it... (e.g. Facebook opens external links in new tabs, Google doesn't)

In my experience, being in charge doesn't automatically grant you knowledge of all things under your jurisdiction.

sketchley

Jeff Jones wrote:

EKE_38BPM wrote:

JonGinge wrote:

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet but links within posts now enact in the current view rather than spawn a new tab/window as before. Bit annoying that.

Yeah, fix this!!

I prefer it but our developer disagrees (bad usability/accessibility practice). See: viewtopic.php?f=30005&t=12809703&start=60 - you can always use ctrl+click or the middle mouse button. I'm going to persist and will see if I get used to it.

Or click the mouse wheel, or click both left and right button together, or right click and select open in new tab. All of them work in all browsers...... I'm with the developer on this one, standards and all that...... But then again I'm a developer too, at least when I'm not to busy doing other stuff....

bails87

dilemna: I would quote you, but I'm on ie7 so I can't see the quote button. The compatibility button is in Windows 7 and IE8, or something like that.

I imagine a lot of 'work' PCs are still on XP and IE7, which has no compatibility button, mine certainyl fdoesn't.

I think I might have mispelt something in the line above, but I can't see that side of the reply box, so I'm going to have to chance it.

On Dolphin (Android phone) and Firefox (W7 laptop) it looks nice though.

lost_in_thought

Jeff Jones wrote:

Greg66 wrote:

Jeff Jones wrote:

I prefer it but our developer disagrees (bad usability/accessibility practice). See: viewtopic.php?f=30005&t=12809703&start=60 - you can always use ctrl+click or the middle mouse button. I'm going to persist and will see if I get used to it.

This. This perfectly summarises why I dislike website developers. Let me translate.

Jeff Jones wrote:

The organ grinder prefers it but his monkey disagrees

Who's in charge, eh, eh, eh?

Come on Jeff, show him who's boss.

We will discuss it... (e.g. Facebook opens external links in new tabs)

Think of the ad revenue you're missing out on if someone links to something interesting....

http://www.wiggle.co.uk

Oh, and make it less freakin' animated already. I feel like I've fallen into a timewarp on the main forum page. Did you relocate it to geocities? Has anyone mentioned how the colour scheme is a bit too.............. blue? And the ads are really annoying? No? OK, well at least I'm not repeating things.

EKE_38BPM

Greg66 wrote:

Jeff Jones wrote:

I prefer it but our developer disagrees (bad usability/accessibility practice). See: viewtopic.php?f=30005&t=12809703&start=60 - you can always use ctrl+click or the middle mouse button. I'm going to persist and will see if I get used to it.

This. This perfectly summarises why I dislike website developers. Let me translate.

Jeff Jones wrote:

The organ grinder prefers it but his monkey disagrees

Who's in charge, eh, eh, eh?

Come on Jeff, show him who's boss.

Yeah, Jeff, you didn't ride 700 miles in 5 hours (or some other impossible feat of cycling endurance) to have some spotty faced gimp* telling you whats what.
So, until the person who you are paying to do what you want does what you want them to do, all of the forum users will have to use the work-around

Jeff Jones wrote:

ctrl+click or the middle mouse button

instead of just clicking as usual.
Doesn't sound like progress to me.


*I may be stereotyping here

ToeKnee

I notice that other sites (e.g. CTC) have the poster's avitar to the right of their posts ... this really makes threads look far less cluttered and easier/smoother to read.

Off to see if I can get 6 bikes on my new Subaru ...

EKE_38BPM

Jeff Jones wrote:

We will discuss it... (e.g. Facebook opens external links in new tabs, Google doesn't)

In my experience, being in charge doesn't automatically grant you knowledge of all things under your jurisdiction.

I would have thought that Facebook opens links in new tabs because it is the start of a 'new browsing experience' whereas Google doesn't because Google itself is usually the start of a new bit of browsing and the links it gives you are a continuation of the 'browsing experience' thus enhancing your GUI-website-user synergy.

As things are now, the user is taken away from BR and may not come back (Google), but as things were, the user goes and has a look at a kitten in a bottle and then comes back to talk bikes and stuff (Facebook).

The only person who wants things to be done like this is the web developer, the users and (presumably) the BR FD would prefer things to go back to how they were.

Make it so, Number One.

Jeff Jones

EKE_38BPM wrote:

Yeah, Jeff, you didn't ride 700 miles in 5 hours (or some other impossible feat of cycling endurance) to have some spotty faced gimp* telling you whats what.
So, until the person who you are paying to do what you want does what you want them to do, all of the forum users will have to use the work-around

Jeff Jones wrote:

ctrl+click or the middle mouse button

instead of just clicking as usual.
Doesn't sound like progress to me.


*I may be stereotyping here

See my edit. 'taint a matter of showing who's boss.

The argument is keeping a consistent user experience vs usability/accessibility best practice. Tricky. There's a strong argument for the former, but if we change it in favour of the latter then in time you'll get used to it (or leave) and we end up with a more accessible site.

asprilla

Sketchley wrote:

Or click the mouse wheel, or click both left and right button together, or right click and select open in new tab. All of them work in all browsers...... I'm with the developer on this one, standards and all that...... But then again I'm a developer too, at least when I'm not to busy doing other stuff....

I'm a product owner rather than a dev; opening links in new tabs or window is much better for users.

lost_in_thought

Jeff Jones wrote:

EKE_38BPM wrote:

Yeah, Jeff, you didn't ride 700 miles in 5 hours (or some other impossible feat of cycling endurance) to have some spotty faced gimp* telling you whats what.
So, until the person who you are paying to do what you want does what you want them to do, all of the forum users will have to use the work-around

Jeff Jones wrote:

ctrl+click or the middle mouse button

instead of just clicking as usual.
Doesn't sound like progress to me.


*I may be stereotyping here

See my edit. 'taint a matter of showing who's boss.

The argument is keeping a consistent user experience vs usability/accessibility best practice. Tricky. There's a strong argument for the former, but if we change it in favour of the latter then in time you'll get used to it (or leave) and we end up with a more accessible site.

I would see your edit if I could click the page number buttons on my phone without going to some stupid advert site.

More accessible you reckon? Explain.

EKE_38BPM

Jeff Jones wrote:

Google (links open in same tab) vs Facebook (new tab): who's right?

They do different things because they do different things.

Google takes your search and serves you links and you're off to do whatever you want (or need) to do.
Facebook wants you to stay on Facebook for as long as possible, so opens links in other tabs so that its easy to get back to seeing if that girl you fancied at school is still as fit as she was and if her divorce is finalised yet. Oh yeah, and the longer you stay on Facebook, the more ads they can serve you.

Google has already served you the ads (and will probably be serving you ads on the site it linked to) so will not lose much (if any) business if you don't come back.

To me, its a no brainer. For BR, links in new tabs is the way to go, but I do understand why Google don't do it.

ketsbaia

What's all this about ads?

/adblocker user

^^heh.

/a.d.b.l.o.c.k.e.r. user

sketchley

Asprilla wrote:

Sketchley wrote:

Or click the mouse wheel, or click both left and right button together, or right click and select open in new tab. All of them work in all browsers...... I'm with the developer on this one, standards and all that...... But then again I'm a developer too, at least when I'm not to busy doing other stuff....

I'm a product owner rather than a dev; opening links in new tabs or window is much better for users.

Agreed, question is how they go about opening links in new tabs or windows. Option 1 being forced through script, Option 2 using standard functionality.

As a user I prefer a new tab when clicking on a link, although not always. However, I prefer to do that by clicking the mouse wheel (third button equivalent) rather than having this forced in script. I don't like websites that force a new window, if you must a new tab please. Using the mouse wheel button means I have choice over new tab or click through, as a user I prefer to be in charge and have a choice. My user story reads "I want to control when a open a new tab, or new windows or open in the same page when clicking on a link" this is not solved by forcing a new tab, however the user story "I want to open a new tab when clicking on a link" is solved by clicking on the link with the mouse wheel. Looks to me like only one group of users get their requirement delivered if you force through a new tab through scripting.