Is the Cav Sky move a done deal?

ddraver

^Good shout.

It's also perfectly possible that Wiggo and Brailsford have had a serious chat and decided that Wiggo is not the man for the Tour in the near future. At the end of the day the British tour winner in 5 years was always a big claim, and possible a fabricated one at that too. After all, who in GB, outside of us fanboys, knows of any other bike race except the TdF? Saying we ll have a winner of Paris Roubaix or the Dauphine means naff all to 99% of the British population!

oh and Cav ain't gonna care which bike he's riding....

shinyhelmut

Mouth wrote:

The only draw I see with Greenedge is the Scott bikes, which HTC used in their first year.

Why would that be a draw? He's riding pretty well on Specialized this year. He'd win just as much on a Pinarello as a Scott.

mouth

Neil McC wrote:

derbygrimpeur wrote:

Saw something on Twitter about Sky offering a contract to an "Aussie pursuiter" on the provision that they do not ride in the olympics :shock:

If that was Matt Rendell's tweet, then it didn't name Sky. It said an English speaking team...

https://twitter.com/mrendell/status/99435112327942144

Greenedge. Aussie as well as English speakers.

I agree with the bike being irrelevant. They're basically all the same anyway at that level anyway by the time he's got his own finishing kit etc on there.

Geographical advantage suits. Can't see why he'd wanna be based away from Europe.

RichN95.

Mouth wrote:

Sky.His quote the other day was something like "I'll get the same money wherever I go. The team I'm going to has chucked summat's else in the pot which I wanted". Gotta be the Olympic RR.

He'll be GB's leader at the Olympics regardless of what team he's on. And no team is going to stop him doing it. And he's not going to drop out of the Tour before the end either.

The 'extra' will be a job at Sky for at least one of Eisel, Renshaw, Brian Holm, Matt Brammaier, his mechanic, his soigneur (possibly all). And wouldn't be in the least bit surprised to see Peta Todd presenting some show on Sky, either.

prawny

RichN95 wrote:

And wouldn't be in the least bit surprised to see Peta Todd presenting some show on Sky, either.

You reckon they'll drop that girl that's been doing the elite circuit series?

RichN95.

prawny wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

And wouldn't be in the least bit surprised to see Peta Todd presenting some show on Sky, either.

You reckon they'll drop that girl that's been doing the elite circuit series?

I haven't seen it, I'm afraid.
It doesn't have to be a cycling show.

Happiness1982

Whoever said the team Cav goes to has to revolve around him because his team will have to work is out of marbles; there is no way in hell the entire peloton will sit there perpetually letting breakaways win just because Cav is there waiting. Garmin, Liquigas et al need their sponsor's name to be at the front of the pack just like HTC did so even if they did want to sit up and wait for 4 Sky guys to do the work of 8 men then I think they'd be getting tapped on the shoulder pretty quickly when that translated into naff-all airtime.

durhamwasp

He mentioned seeing the world in his bbc radio interview (or somthing very similar) so maybes its Oz. And possibly GreenEdge have thrown in that they'll sign Ren and Bernie.

Jez mon

durhamwasp wrote:

He mentioned seeing the world in his bbc radio interview (or somthing very similar) so maybes its Oz. And possibly GreenEdge have thrown in that they'll sign Ren and Bernie.

Even if it's Green Edge, he won't spend that much time in Aus surely, maybe some winter training and the TdU?

How marketable is a pom winning all the stages with an Aussie leading him out?

I think Sky is most likely,

OffTheBackAdam

Article in today's sports section of the DT, says he's off to Sky.
Has he an ego? Yep, farkin' enormous one. Not exactly out of the ordinary for a sprinter. Look at the other blushing violets like Cippo & Alejet!

cornoyemade

By the looks of this thread, there are only a few people, myself included, that know anything about business, sponsors, and human nature. I suppose it is because the majority of blokes here work for someone else and collect a check like a drone every two weeks. They don't sign checks, they wait for checks, simple as that.

Like I said DAYS ago, HTC folds, cavendishy to SKY. Renshaw to SKY. Bernie to SKY.

I'll add this. Goss to green edge because he knows he can beat cavendishy and does not want to waste his talent Cavendishy knows this as well and fears him. Goss was held back from the tdf to save cav's ego, in the misguided attempt by stapelton to win favor with cavendishy. Clearly stapelton was under the impression that if he delivered cavendishy five wins and a green jersey, cavendishy would stay and the sponsor issue would be resolved. Likley that cave promised this as well, and then broke his promise. SutRley would have been better for stapelton to showcase other riders in the tdf. Cav might not have won the green, but at least stapelton could have said to the sponsors "look we are more that just a team that can deliver a fast dwarf to the line.

Now, all the drones here can get some rest this weekend and go back to the office or the shop next week and get ready to say "how many copies do you want". Or" would you like chips with your fish" or " we are out of black, do you wear brown."?

smithy21

If/when he does end up at Sky I think at most he will only get one of Eisel or Renshaw. I think he will also have to fit in with the Sky set up rather than turn Sky into HTC. I don t get the whole Renshaw thing- being the "best leadout man in the world" is a bit like being the best reserve goalkeeper in the Premiership. What have you got to show for your cylcing career, Mark? A few words of thanks from Cavendish.

The most impressive thing for me about HTC was their success in week long races. I think the GT stage wins based on the leadout are good but they are winning a game that no-one else plays. There are only a handful of teams who contest the sprints.

I think Cavendish is also keen to develop his career and while the GT stage wins are hugely important I do seem to recall him saying in an interview that he didnt start off in cycling by cycling a couple of hundred km and then sprinting at the end.

Tom Butcher

Is Renshaw good enough to challenge Cav ? Maybe he can just earn a lot more leading out the world's best sprinter than he can being a 2nd or 3rd tier sprinter himself. There are other fast riders like Thomas who can do a decent job of leading a rider out but you wouldn't back them in a straight sprint against the likes of Greipel, Farrar etc let alone Cav. I'm sure they do all want a bit of glory but someone like Renshaw must look at the likes of Steegmans and see how a top leadout man doesn't always make a top sprinter.

Happiness1982

cornoyemade wrote:

By the looks of this thread, there are only a few people, myself included, that know anything about business, sponsors, and human nature. I suppose it is because the majority of blokes here work for someone else and collect a check like a drone every two weeks. They don't sign checks, they wait for checks, simple as that.

Like I said DAYS ago, HTC folds, cavendishy to SKY. Renshaw to SKY. Bernie to SKY.

I'll add this. Goss to green edge because he knows he can beat cavendishy and does not want to waste his talent Cavendishy knows this as well and fears him. Goss was held back from the tdf to save cav's ego, in the misguided attempt by stapelton to win favor with cavendishy. Clearly stapelton was under the impression that if he delivered cavendishy five wins and a green jersey, cavendishy would stay and the sponsor issue would be resolved. Likley that cave promised this as well, and then broke his promise. SutRley would have been better for stapelton to showcase other riders in the tdf. Cav might not have won the green, but at least stapelton could have said to the sponsors "look we are more that just a team that can deliver a fast dwarf to the line.

Now, all the drones here can get some rest this weekend and go back to the office or the shop next week and get ready to say "how many copies do you want". Or" would you like chips with your fish" or " we are out of black, do you wear brown."?

Just...terrible trolling. At least try and make it funny. SMH.

No_Ta_Doctor

Happiness1982 wrote:

Whoever said the team Cav goes to has to revolve around him because his team will have to work is out of marbles; there is no way in hell the entire peloton will sit there perpetually letting breakaways win just because Cav is there waiting. Garmin, Liquigas et al need their sponsor's name to be at the front of the pack just like HTC did so even if they did want to sit up and wait for 4 Sky guys to do the work of 8 men then I think they'd be getting tapped on the shoulder pretty quickly when that translated into naff-all airtime.

Well they didn't get tapped on the shoulder when HTC were doing all the work...

But otherwise I agree. HTC were built entirely around Cav. They did all the work because as soon as they hit the front commentators the world over would start talking about him and his incredible HTC train and lead out team. The last 30 minutes - all that your average bloke in the street sees - of any of the flat stages was the HTC show. They hardly even bothered showing the breakaway getting reeled in, HTC made it look so inevitable. That was hard for any of the other teams to muscle in on and I'd have thought that it was deliberate rather than a necessity. How do you maximise the coverage of a rider that's only likely to be in front for the last few metres? Put his name to the front from 60k out.

Happiness1982

No tA Doctor wrote:

Happiness1982 wrote:

Whoever said the team Cav goes to has to revolve around him because his team will have to work is out of marbles; there is no way in hell the entire peloton will sit there perpetually letting breakaways win just because Cav is there waiting. Garmin, Liquigas et al need their sponsor's name to be at the front of the pack just like HTC did so even if they did want to sit up and wait for 4 Sky guys to do the work of 8 men then I think they'd be getting tapped on the shoulder pretty quickly when that translated into naff-all airtime.

Well they didn't get tapped on the shoulder when HTC were doing all the work...

Right, but that's because if you're a Garmin rider then you know, in a likelihood, 8 HTC guys are going to ram up the pace and make it very hard for 3 or 4 of your guys to do anything. However, if HTC has only 4 guys working then of course you're going to get amongst it knowing that fundamentally you have a 'fair' chance at getting at the front/winning.

inseine

Cornoyemade, I don't know whether to feel sorry for you or what. I think you should lighten up a bit or you're going to end up a very unhappy person.
I don't know what you do, and I bet you'll never let on, but I perfectly happy with my job. Cheer up, eh?

amaferanga

cornoyemade wrote:

By the looks of this thread, there are only a few people, myself included, that know anything about business, sponsors, and human nature. I suppose it is because the majority of blokes here work for someone else and collect a check like a drone every two weeks. They don't sign checks, they wait for checks, simple as that.

Like I said DAYS ago, HTC folds, cavendishy to SKY. Renshaw to SKY. Bernie to SKY.

I'll add this. Goss to green edge because he knows he can beat cavendishy and does not want to waste his talent Cavendishy knows this as well and fears him. Goss was held back from the tdf to save cav's ego, in the misguided attempt by stapelton to win favor with cavendishy. Clearly stapelton was under the impression that if he delivered cavendishy five wins and a green jersey, cavendishy would stay and the sponsor issue would be resolved. Likley that cave promised this as well, and then broke his promise. SutRley would have been better for stapelton to showcase other riders in the tdf. Cav might not have won the green, but at least stapelton could have said to the sponsors "look we are more that just a team that can deliver a fast dwarf to the line.

Now, all the drones here can get some rest this weekend and go back to the office or the shop next week and get ready to say "how many copies do you want". Or" would you like chips with your fish" or " we are out of black, do you wear brown."?

You mean cheque? Are you a yank?

StanwaySteve62

Is cornorymade P_tucker ?

StageWinner

What an @ss clown

markwb79

cornoyemade wrote:

By the looks of this thread, there are only a few people, myself included, that know anything about business, sponsors, and human nature. I suppose it is because the majority of blokes here work for someone else and collect a check like a drone every two weeks. They don't sign checks, they wait for checks, simple as that.

Like I said DAYS ago, HTC folds, cavendishy to SKY. Renshaw to SKY. Bernie to SKY.

I'll add this. Goss to green edge because he knows he can beat cavendishy and does not want to waste his talent Cavendishy knows this as well and fears him. Goss was held back from the tdf to save cav's ego, in the misguided attempt by stapelton to win favor with cavendishy. Clearly stapelton was under the impression that if he delivered cavendishy five wins and a green jersey, cavendishy would stay and the sponsor issue would be resolved. Likley that cave promised this as well, and then broke his promise. SutRley would have been better for stapelton to showcase other riders in the tdf. Cav might not have won the green, but at least stapelton could have said to the sponsors "look we are more that just a team that can deliver a fast dwarf to the line.

Now, all the drones here can get some rest this weekend and go back to the office or the shop next week and get ready to say "how many copies do you want". Or" would you like chips with your fish" or " we are out of black, do you wear brown."?

The chip on your shoulder is borderline hilarious!

rajMAN

cornoyemade wrote:

By the looks of this thread, there are only a few people, myself included, that know anything about business, sponsors, and human nature. I suppose it is because the majority of blokes here work for someone else and collect a check like a drone every two weeks. They don't sign checks, they wait for checks, simple as that.

Like I said DAYS ago, HTC folds, cavendishy to SKY. Renshaw to SKY. Bernie to SKY.

I'll add this. Goss to green edge because he knows he can beat cavendishy and does not want to waste his talent Cavendishy knows this as well and fears him. Goss was held back from the tdf to save cav's ego, in the misguided attempt by stapelton to win favor with cavendishy. Clearly stapelton was under the impression that if he delivered cavendishy five wins and a green jersey, cavendishy would stay and the sponsor issue would be resolved. Likley that cave promised this as well, and then broke his promise. SutRley would have been better for stapelton to showcase other riders in the tdf. Cav might not have won the green, but at least stapelton could have said to the sponsors "look we are more that just a team that can deliver a fast dwarf to the line.

Now, all the drones here can get some rest this weekend and go back to the office or the shop next week and get ready to say "how many copies do you want". Or" would you like chips with your fish" or " we are out of black, do you wear brown."?

The men in white coats are getting closer and closer.

ALaPlage

Cornoyemade either has issues or is just trolling for reaction. Contrary to showing through posts that he/she has any knowledge of business all I see are no influencing skills, comments built on opinion and assumption and no or little facts to back up views.

I pick up a pay check (sic) but manage and lead a national UK business as Operations Director. We have over 20000 employees and a £3 billion turnover and one thing for sure anyone displaying your narrow minded and self opinionated personality traits would have no place in our organisation or I imagine any other and that is at any level never mind a position of responsibility or decision making.

StanwaySteve62

Gissa job

pilot_pete

Well said ALaPlage. I fly shiny aluminium tubes around the sky for a living, but would never dream of being so derogatory about others in service industries....it is shameful that someone with such bigotted opinions is not willing to put their true identity next to such comments.

PP

dougzz

Every time you comment on his sad mad rubbish Cornoy gets that bit happier. Feed troll don't

ALaPlage

dougzz wrote:

Every time you comment on his sad mad rubbish Cornoy gets that bit happier. Feed troll don't

+1 no more feeding

StanwaySteve62

Think we should have an average speed Vs salary thread, could see some nice willy waving with that one

ms_tree

Cavendish is going to Androni Giocattoli etc

Happiness1982

ALaPlage wrote:

dougzz wrote:

Every time you comment on his sad mad rubbish Cornoy gets that bit happier. Feed troll don't

+1 no more feeding