TDF 2011 stage 10 **Spoiler***
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You can apologise without legally admitting fault. And it's on film anyway...Bike lover and part-time cyclist.0
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afx237vi wrote:It occurred to me that the peloton should all climb off, wander into the nearest field and rearrange their bicycles into the shape of a giant tractor. Why should farmers have all the fun?
Brilliant
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avoidingmyphd wrote:
Why? There's no precedents in French law, but that's a pedantic point. More seriously, why would it be dangerous to establish that if a media car drives dangerously into cyclists in the tour de france, the driver will be held liable for paying for any damage he causes?inkyfingers wrote:Sky sueing would set a dangerous precident
Even if you disagree with the morality of such a position, the situation might never happen again, and it would be less likely to with such a precedent in place.
What's the danger? (I can see one: Sky sue and lose and as a result drivers are emboldened to drive riders off the road in future because they know it won't cost them anything. That isn't what you meant though, I don't think)
You missed my point. I obviously have no knowledge of French law but I think that Sky are well within their rights to sue and as far as I can see it would be an open and shut case.
The danger of the precident is that a successful case would mean that insurance premiums for teams and for race organisers would drastically increase with the inevitable consequences."I have a lovely photo of a Camargue horse but will not post it now" (Frenchfighter - July 2013)0 -
AidanR wrote:You can apologise without legally admitting fault. And it's on film anyway...
Not according to most insurance policies you cant...**************************************************
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emadden wrote:No, I totally agree they should get an apology - but they wont get an apology if they bang on about legal action, thats my point.
Why? That makes no sense. The individual and company concerned should apologise regardless of what SKY do. You cannot just drive like a tw@t and run two riders off the road without saying sorry FFS! It's the decent, human thing to do.0 -
Did Hoogerland start the stage?0
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emadden wrote:AidanR wrote:You can apologise without legally admitting fault. And it's on film anyway...
Not according to most insurance policies you cant...
Apologising and admitting liability are two different things. An insurance company cannot prevent you from doing either - they'd just rather you didn't.
In this case it's as moot a point as it could possibly be - it was shown on live TV to millions of people - not like they can argue their way out of it!0 -
The Mad Rapper wrote:emadden wrote:No, I totally agree they should get an apology - but they wont get an apology if they bang on about legal action, thats my point.
Why? That makes no sense. The individual and company concerned should apologise regardless of what SKY do. You cannot just drive like a tw@t and run two riders off the road without saying sorry FFS! It's the decent, human thing to do.
Ok here's my point again: (1) I agree that an apology would be the decent thing to do (2) Sky going on about legal action is likely to prevent the driver from apologising because (3) if they say sorry that could (a) prejudice their legal defence and (b) nullify their insurance policy.**************************************************
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That's a nice little hill, no comedy gradient, just a winding power climb.0
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emadden wrote:Ok here's my point again: (1) I agree that an apology would be the decent thing to do (2) Sky going on about legal action is likely to prevent the driver from apologising because (3) if they say sorry that could (a) prejudice their legal defence and (b) nullify their insurance policy.
You don't need to restate your point, I understood it the first time. With respect however, I don't agree with your views about the apology. People apologise after TAs every day. People admit liability after TAs every day. It makes no difference to the insurance companies or the outcomes. Liability is decided on the basis of any Police report, or for minor accidents, on the information supplied by those involved.
An apology doesn't prejudice their defence in any way. If anything, showing remorse after an accident which was your fault wholly or partially would doubtless be looked upon favourably by the judiciary.0 -
Dangerous times for Cavendish as Omega really put the pressure on over the last climb.0
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Now, back to the race:
How is Cav doing? How far from the Intermediate sprint?0 -
Cav might not get over this hill, but it's still a long way to the finish.0
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Team Sky are there. Tipping swift or EBH today.
EDIT: if HTC can't pull the gap back on descents or distance remaining.0 -
This is going to get dangerous on the descent.0
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Gilbert & tommy V trying to go off the front0
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Voeckler, Gilbert, Devenyns and Gallopin... T Mart playing spoiler.0
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Fair play to Gadret - he took a big step forward at Giro. Might have been better for him to take TDF off and target the Vuelta but he has pitched up here anyway.
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PS for those not watching. Gilbert and Voekler have gone off the front with a few riders. Gilbert on the front really hammering it over the top of the cat 4, trying to distance from the sprinters I think. Fair play, really pushing that chance opening.0
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FFS, why is Devenyns attacking?0
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The front five only have 14 seconds so it should come back together you would think.0
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well if this comes back gilbert will be fried for the sprint0
