Ibis Mojo HD
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How comes the Mojo not dripping in Xtr or Sram kit ?0
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raceface gt wrote:How comes the Mojo not dripping in Xtr or Sram kit ?
I'm not a huge sram fan tbh, prefer the feel of shimano. Not really worth the extra over xt tbh, I only got the XTR mech cos it was dirt cheap and I was in a spending mood at the time
Tbh the main reason I haven't is a) for the above reason and b) I want to wait and see how shimano respond to xx1, had a quick browse at a few bikes fitted with it at the bikeshow and it looks awesome, but not being a fan of sram I'll wait til shimano bring out something and hope its more reasonably priced!
Was hoping to have the new 1.5 degree angleset fitted this week, but been forced to the leave the bike at home for a week or two, but when shes fitted it'll be slacked out to 66.5ish degrees and hopefully abit more stable, its a full inch shorter than the 456 and you can really tell the difference!0 -
Still hating you bike then
all wrong but you love it 0 -
Thewaylander wrote:Still hating you bike then
all wrong but you love it
Hardly hating, a niggle is not a reason to hate, you're taking my comments about the bike completely out of context. You might wish your mrs had bigger tits, but you don't hate her do you?! :P
It's a great bike the DW-link is top notch, especially with the tuned shock, and its a fucking awesome ride, just wanting to see how it goes with a slacker headangle, which should be fun testing out
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lawman wrote:Thewaylander wrote:Still hating you bike then
all wrong but you love it
Hardly hating, a niggle is not a reason to hate, you're taking my comments about the bike completely out of context. You might wish your mrs had bigger tits, but you don't hate her do you?! :P
It's a great bike the DW-link is top notch, especially with the tuned shock, and its a ******* awesome ride, just wanting to see how it goes with a slacker headangle, which should be fun testing out
Tits make the woman
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Works headset fitted!! Have misplaced my camera but its now sitting at 66.7 degrees according an app I got and a quick spin and it feels fecking awesome!! Looking for some cheap electric scales to properly weigh it, mega excited to get out now, if only the weather would stop being so sh!t!!!!!
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I look forward to hearing how it feels with the works headset fitted. What degree cups did you go for?0
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I'm seriously excited to try it out, the one department the whyte 146 is ahead of the HD is geometry, hopefully now it's slacker, a tiny bit lower and abit longer it'll be even better. As I said in another thread recently I've noticed American bikes tend to be alittle bit higher and steeper than most, especially stuff designed for the UK.
I went for a 1.5 degree offset, I was measured it at 68.1 degrees with the old headset and now it's 66.7 degrees, so with a free iPhone app I'm guessing its not entirely accurate, but it'll be ballpark. It's certainly looks a lot slacker and it feels different to ride, looking forward to getting it out in the trails!0 -
I still don't get this whole trend of slacker is better. Every time i've ridden a slack trail bike it has handled horribly in corners.0
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bennett_346 wrote:I still don't get this whole trend of slacker is better. Every time i've ridden a slack trail bike it has handled horribly in corners.
You have to adapt your technique slightly for corners, as it requires more weight over the front wheel. Once you get used to it though, the speed you can carry through corners is better and the added stability is great for just letting off the brakes on rough descents. I find it hard to ride steeper bikes now as I'm used to the slacker angles, which is the main reason I retired my old Xc120 as that was horrendously steep even with a 140mm fork0 -
Nice tyres. I have some Ralphs with a WC badge too 0
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70\'sPenguin wrote:Nice tyres. I have some Ralphs with a WC badge too
They look nice, but they sure as hell don't work on wet DH tracks! :shock:
Tbf, the trails we ride back from Nant Y Arian are proper steep and tricky in the dry, given the rain and snow recently its been pretty slick and the Nics are just poor in that kinda stuff, although nothing but a dedicated mud or spike tyre would have been much help I think! I've got some Muddy Mary's for the 456 which will take DH duties this year and they should be awesome in the mud and slop.
The Nics are great if you keep them away from deep mud and slick DH trails, this time of year they aren't great, but the rest of year they are very good. The tread pattern doesn't seem to lend itself to mud, but the compound keeps them grippy everywhere else.0 -
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the_moodster wrote::shock: how slack!!!
It doesnt look as slack as it actually is! More importantly its stretched the wheelbase, so stability should abit better. Will put some photos up in abit 0 -
lawman wrote:As I said in another thread recently I've noticed American bikes tend to be alittle bit higher and steeper than most, especially stuff designed for the UK.
And yet when you see what they ride them in you have to wonder whether it's their design or your technique that is compromised. Or perhaps just your belief in the infallibility of the meeja who keep telling us that longer, slacker bikes are the only way forward.
Personally I found the allrounder that suited me best was the Bandit (68deg HA - even the much harder hitting Covert is still only 66.9deg). With the balance of shorter TT and steeper seat angle it meant I was really well centred for climbs and singletrack shredding and yet it was very, very easy to drop over the back for big descents, shifting the weight forward easily when needed. A lot of the US/Canadian bikes are the same and get very well reviewed and yet you think otherwise. Guess that's why everyone's bike is so personal.Trail fun - Transition Bandit
Road - Wilier Izoard Centaur/Cube Agree C62 Disc
Allround - Cotic Solaris0 -
lostboysaint wrote:lawman wrote:As I said in another thread recently I've noticed American bikes tend to be alittle bit higher and steeper than most, especially stuff designed for the UK.
And yet when you see what they ride them in you have to wonder whether it's their design or your technique that is compromised. Or perhaps just your belief in the infallibility of the meeja who keep telling us that longer, slacker bikes are the only way forward.
Personally I found the allrounder that suited me best was the Bandit (68deg HA - even the much harder hitting Covert is still only 66.9deg). With the balance of shorter TT and steeper seat angle it meant I was really well centred for climbs and singletrack shredding and yet it was very, very easy to drop over the back for big descents, shifting the weight forward easily when needed. A lot of the US/Canadian bikes are the same and get very well reviewed and yet you think otherwise. Guess that's why everyone's bike is so personal.
As you say it's all very personal! My old maxlight was very steep and for years I never noticed it because it felt comfortable and it was a bike i knew really well so it was never an issue, I was confident on it and for 4 and a half years I was convinced it was one of the best hardtails out there. When I bought the HD, which as stock was close to 2 degrees slacker it felt faster to me straight away and then when I rode the maxlight again after some 8 months without riding it, I no longer felt comfortable on it.
Geometry is very personal and I've found I prefer a slacker bike, I feel more comfortable on them and that gives me the confidence to ride harder. I have no doubt that the american bikes I was refering too are good bikes, but personally I think alot of them would suit me more if they were slacker.0 -
What's the deal with the tyres Lawman? Are they a special editions?0
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chick0 wrote:What's the deal with the tyres Lawman? Are they a special editions?
Its a special compound they only make for Nics and Racing Ralphs, it was designed by Jared Graves for 4X and he won multiple world cups and world championships on these tyres and this compound. They are great in most conditions just not muddy DH as mentioned above.0 -
lawman wrote:chick0 wrote:What's the deal with the tyres Lawman? Are they a special editions?
Its a special compound they only make for Nics and Racing Ralphs, it was designed by Jared Graves for 4X and he won multiple world cups and world championships on these tyres and this compound. They are great in most conditions just not muddy DH as mentioned above.
Do you know what is different about the compound? Is it super soft or something?0 -
Yep its a special triple compound mixture, so its pretty similar to what they use as standard, but tweaked slightly. Afaik it uses the same centre compound as Schwalbe's Pacestar tyre's combined with a super soft outer tread compound thats similar to their vertstar tyres, so basically you get really good rolling resistance and great cornering grip. A great tyre thats only let down very slightly by its mud performance, but as mentioned before, you'd probably be wanting something like a muddy mary on at this time of year for those trails anyway, so probably asking abit much of them!0
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lawman wrote:Yep its a special triple compound mixture, so its pretty similar to what they use as standard, but tweaked slightly. Afaik it uses the same centre compound as Schwalbe's Pacestar tyre's combined with a super soft outer tread compound thats similar to their vertstar tyres, so basically you get really good rolling resistance and great cornering grip. A great tyre thats only let down very slightly by its mud performance, but as mentioned before, you'd probably be wanting something like a muddy mary on at this time of year for those trails anyway, so probably asking abit much of them!
They sound cool. Always been a big fan of Nobby's, where did you get them?
I think I'm going to sacrifice some weight and give the Hans Dampf Trailstar's a try next. A friend has them on his newly built up LTc (Although he has a Pacestar or the rear), and they seemed to have a good balance when i tired them. I don't think they rolled nearly as well as the Mountain King II 2.4 Protection Black Chilli's i have been running, but they are much more beefy and less flexy in the side walls.
He got them as pair here;
http://www.bike-discount.de/shop/k371/a ... 26&cr=GBP#0 -
I got mine from Bike-discount too, think they're still on offer too, about £20 each, I might try some Hans Dampfs in future, but what I'd really like is a combo of the Nic and the Hans Dampf, that would be an awesome tyre!0
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Quick catchup question Lawman. How are you getting on with your Crests. I know I'm a bit heavier then your goodself, but I just wanted to asked if if you have needed to true them or replace any parts.0
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If it helps I'm 180lbs and have had no problems with my crests. That said, nothing bigger than 3ft drops done although they have bashed into some pretty big rocks and the tyres dealt with the impact fine. Running Ardents 2.25 front and rear.
If you want peace of mind just go for the arch or flow, 100g more and you worry less is tons of weight off mentally.0 -
Nope zero problems whatsoever with the crests, snapped a pro2 axle on the hubs but that's it, they've been spot on. Could perhaps do with a slight true I guess but they're fine as they are0
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Been a while since I properly updated this!
2 years has sailed by with the HD and it's still going strong! I've made a fair few changes in the last few months, trying to remedy a few niggles I have the frame really. I fitted a works components 1.5 degree angleset to slacken it out, lower the bb slightly and stretch the wheelbase, I wouldn't call it nervous but having got used to the super slack and long 456 I fancied seeing how far I could push this. It's now sitting at 66.5 degrees with a 13.5" bb height.
I've also slapped on some Hans Dampfs, the gatestars Nics were good but they still gave way suddenly, so I'm thinking that's just an inherent design aspect of the tread pattern. The Hans Dampfs are much more predictable and I'd even say slightly grippier despite the harder compound and the pacestar on the back rolls really nicely, really impressed with them and a definite improvement on any Nobby Nic I've tried.
Been wanting to try out a topguide only, I took the lower guide off the LG1 and the difference in resistance when pedalling was definitely noticeable. I also got a pre-order on a Works Components XX1-style chainring and its a top notch bit of kit, really nicely finished and does exactly as it says it should. I haven't tried it without any guide yet, but apparently it works just fine without one, but given the XCX guide I'm now using weighs about 50g, its worth having just in case!
Overall I've had a really good time on this bike, its been all over the country and on various trails, and on a DH uplift at Antor Stiniog it really showed how versatile it can be, as it felt really good and gave me the confidence to really push on, a coupla Strava Top 40's and a KOM on the jump track seemed to back my feelings up! It climbs really well, bob is non-existant with the pro-pedal engaged yet remains active over small-bumps, no doubt helped by the Kashima Coating and Low-friction polymer bushings. It's also stiff enough to really put the power down too, especially noticeable since I've started riding clipped-in, put in the effort and it'll reward you and I'd say it's definitely more suited to clips than flats, the pop in the suspension really seems to sync more than it did with flats. Might just be my technique, but I've felt it performs better when I'm clipped in.
The downside is I'm starting to find it a little small though. The 456 is much roomier even with a 55mm stem, and it feels more comfortable and helps with the position on the bike, sometimes I find it hard to balance my weight in certain situations, so I'm looking to treat myself to a new build after graduation next year. If the HD fits you like a glove and you fit an angleset, you'll have an awesome bike, the suspension performance is top notch, the frame finish is outstanding, and it never fails to turn heads, even now. Not perfect, but a very, very good bike and there's still life in the old girl yet! 0 -
Once you get a nice long, slack bike, there's no going back The Mojo has always been a little too 'xc' for my tastes. Only ridden my reign a couple of times, but it feels bang on the money so far! 0
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Short top tubes seems to be something that is the same across both Santa Cruz and Ibis bikes.0
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Rick Draper wrote:Short top tubes seems to be something that is the same across both Santa Cruz and Ibis bikes.
Yeti is the opposite0 -
Not bad. Maybe an Orange Five for your next build?Transition Patrol - viewtopic.php?f=10017&t=130702350
