Who on BR has bought a 'cheap' Chinese carbon frame?

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  • P_Tucker
    P_Tucker Posts: 1,878
    Damn right. I'm going on hols in September and I'll be damned if I have to cover up in a one-piece
  • Pseudonym
    Pseudonym Posts: 1,032
    P_Tucker wrote:
    As you can see, my choice of seatpost/bottles is beyond reproach

    it's a pity the same can't be said about your choice of carpet...
  • P_Tucker
    P_Tucker Posts: 1,878
    Pseudonym wrote:
    P_Tucker wrote:
    As you can see, my choice of seatpost/bottles is beyond reproach

    it's a pity the same can't be said about your choice of carpet...

    Thanks for the feedback. I'll pass it on to the owners of the carpet; namely a B&B in Builth Wells.
  • Pseudonym
    Pseudonym Posts: 1,032
    P_Tucker wrote:
    namely a B&B in Builth Wells.

    living the dream....?
  • petemadoc
    petemadoc Posts: 2,331
    Pseudonym wrote:
    P_Tucker wrote:
    namely a B&B in Builth Wells.

    living the dream....?

    Rock'n roll lifestyle 8)
  • P_Tucker
    P_Tucker Posts: 1,878
    Pseudonym wrote:
    P_Tucker wrote:
    namely a B&B in Builth Wells.

    living the dream....?

    If the dream is to have a weekend of great cycling on quiet roads - sure, why not?
  • Crankbrother
    Crankbrother Posts: 1,695
    I find it interesting that Bike Radar are allowing you lot to flout the law like this ... Pinarello could easily have the police extract your ip addresses from the owners of this site and then confiscate and/or charge you for importing/holding counterfeit goods ... Nice work boys ...
  • petemadoc
    petemadoc Posts: 2,331
    You know what . . . I think I'm going to call the police right now!
  • dodgy
    dodgy Posts: 2,890
    Crankbrother wrote:
    I find it interesting that Bike Radar are allowing you lot to flout the law like this ... Pinarello could easily have the police extract your ip addresses from the owners of this site and then confiscate and/or charge you for importing/holding counterfeit goods ... Nice work boys ...

    Haha, good one. :lol:
  • guinea
    guinea Posts: 1,177
    http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum ... 3&start=15

    The pictures of the chinarello on page two is enough to ensure I'll never buy one.
  • TiBoy
    TiBoy Posts: 366
    I keep looking at the forks to lighten the front end on the Sunday, was all convinced that they would be ok but the weight weenies post makes me think again :( . I can't afford a decent sent of new ones but surley it's just as risky buying 2nd hand, oh what to do????
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  • P_Tucker
    P_Tucker Posts: 1,878
    Crankbrother wrote:
    I find it interesting that Bike Radar are allowing you lot to flout the law like this ... Pinarello could easily have the police extract your ip addresses from the owners of this site and then confiscate and/or charge you for importing/holding counterfeit goods ... Nice work boys ...

    I'm behind 7 proxies, I'd like to see them try.
  • Crankbrother
    Crankbrother Posts: 1,695
    P_Tucker wrote:
    Crankbrother wrote:
    I find it interesting that Bike Radar are allowing you lot to flout the law like this ... Pinarello could easily have the police extract your ip addresses from the owners of this site and then confiscate and/or charge you for importing/holding counterfeit goods ... Nice work boys ...

    I'm behind 7 proxies, I'd like to see them try.

    That tells us all we need to know about you ...
  • P_Tucker
    P_Tucker Posts: 1,878
    guinea wrote:
    http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=90693&start=15

    The pictures of the chinarello on page two is enough to ensure I'll never buy one.

    You might want to stay away from Colnago C50s as well:

    525x525px-LL-c7531f58_vbattach3816.jpg

    Also Trek:

    brokebike.sized.jpg

    Real Pinarellos:

    pinarello-broken.jpg

    Bontrager

    2969039343_b70ce17c1d_b.jpg

    Orbea

    IMG_1122.jpg

    Specialized

    DSCF2454.JPG

    Jesus. Probably best to avoid cycling altogether - and maybe do a statistics class with the time saved eh?
  • P_Tucker
    P_Tucker Posts: 1,878
    Crankbrother wrote:
    P_Tucker wrote:
    Crankbrother wrote:
    I find it interesting that Bike Radar are allowing you lot to flout the law like this ... Pinarello could easily have the police extract your ip addresses from the owners of this site and then confiscate and/or charge you for importing/holding counterfeit goods ... Nice work boys ...

    I'm behind 7 proxies, I'd like to see them try.

    That tells us all we need to know about you ...

    Well, the important thing is that you seem to be taking the actions of others personally. Are you the proud owner of a real Pinarello perchance?
  • DF33
    DF33 Posts: 732
    ^^^^^ :D
    Peter
  • Crankbrother
    Crankbrother Posts: 1,695
    P_Tucker wrote:
    Crankbrother wrote:
    P_Tucker wrote:
    Crankbrother wrote:
    I find it interesting that Bike Radar are allowing you lot to flout the law like this ... Pinarello could easily have the police extract your ip addresses from the owners of this site and then confiscate and/or charge you for importing/holding counterfeit goods ... Nice work boys ...

    I'm behind 7 proxies, I'd like to see them try.

    That tells us all we need to know about you ...

    Well, the important thing is that you seem to be taking the actions of others personally. Are you the proud owner of a real Pinarello perchance?

    No, 3 'dales ... But as someone who has tried to enhance my life by getting a fake version of something in tne past, i was hoping to pass on my wisdom ... Now, does anyone want to buy a slim hipped wife of Asian descent with a boob job and a very, very large clitoris?

    PS. Some of that might be a lie ... I only have 2 bikes ...
  • carl_p
    carl_p Posts: 989
    So Mr BikeRadar moderator, you happy where this thread is going...?

    You may wish to read up on what happened to the BT website this week.

    Buying cheap unbranded products is one thing. Turning out potentially counterfeit goods is another.
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  • sloppyschleckonds
    sloppyschleckonds Posts: 8,019
    Carl_P wrote:
    So Mr BikeRadar moderator, you happy where this thread is going...?

    You may wish to read up on what happened to the BT website this week.

    Buying cheap unbranded products is one thing. Turning out potentially counterfeit goods is another.

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    I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles
  • fast as fupp
    fast as fupp Posts: 2,277
    Lot of pompous rissoles appearing on here now!

    Cranky- how much for the ladyboy?
    'dont forget lads, one evertonian is worth twenty kopites'
  • Chip \'oyler
    Chip \'oyler Posts: 2,323
    P_Tucker wrote:
    guinea wrote:
    http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=90693&start=15

    The pictures of the chinarello on page two is enough to ensure I'll never buy one.

    You might want to stay away from Colnago C50s as well:

    525x525px-LL-c7531f58_vbattach3816.jpg

    Also Trek:

    brokebike.sized.jpg

    Real Pinarellos:

    pinarello-broken.jpg

    Bontrager

    2969039343_b70ce17c1d_b.jpg

    Orbea

    IMG_1122.jpg

    Specialized

    DSCF2454.JPG

    Jesus. Probably best to avoid cycling altogether - and maybe do a statistics class with the time saved eh?

    I reckon the broken frames you've posted are the results of crashes. Not the result of just riding down the road. And I don't see any Chinese newspapers wedged in the joints either.
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  • P_Tucker
    P_Tucker Posts: 1,878
    Well, we'll never know eh? Except for the Trek obv, as that was Hincapies in Roubaix when his handlebars fell off.
  • nickwill
    nickwill Posts: 2,735
    Maybe I'm old fashioned but intellectual property theft is still theft. By buying this fake kit you are buying what are to all intentions stolen goods. If you want to buy a cheap frame, fair enough, but don't buy one which is being passed off as the product of a a legitimate firm and copyright holder. Theft is theft!
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  • DF33
    DF33 Posts: 732
    DF33 wrote:
    designman wrote:
    Wow love the replica "Dogma 60.1" on carbonxsports.

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Full-Carbon-Fiber-Road-Racing-Bike-Frame-Fork-50-56-/150590257574?pt=UK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR&var=&hash=item68c77406b6#ht_1260wt_949

    Anyone bought this?

    This is what could bring these frame deals crashing down.

    It's one thing to copy a frame design as it's difficult to patent frame angles etc, and leave to the buyer to decide that a 'T4457' = say, a pinarello xxx. Same quality carbon, geometry, quality etc. Everybody is happy (except Pinarello).

    But when a dealer blatantly sticks on 'Pinarello xxx' decals and colours then Pinarello, or whichever manufacturer is the clone, will be seriously p1ssed off and will no doubt chase it up.

    Problem is they will then try to go further than that and close the door to extra production runs going out of the back door unbranded too and whatever else.

    It's in everybodys interest to buy from someone like the few companies mentioned on this thread that simply give a frame model number and don't bootleg branded decals and also to boycott stuff like the above.

    If you want to add Bianchi or whatever decals yourself when in the UK thats up to you I suppose. It's still fraud and fake and given the apparent quality of these frames why would you want to?

    It's probably only a matter of time we'll be proud to have 'CARBONZONE' etc decals in the tubes instead in their own right.



    I wrote the above on this thread back in April.

    No surprise then that the bigger companies are starting to bite back. It is straight fraud to them.

    To me, either ride a clone pinarello and leave the decals off or buy a real Pinarello with the decals on. Both ways are fine. But sticking a companies decals on a brand new fake is bootlegging the product. One call to trading standards by the companies (or the police if they can be bothered) and a knock on the door of the owner will most likely quickly follow.
    Peter
  • Cleat Eastwood
    Cleat Eastwood Posts: 7,508
    fast as fupp wrote:
    Lot of pompous rissoles appearing on here now!

    +1

    There are what? 12 hundred billion gazillion chinese all of whom ride bikes and one forumite posts one link to the ONE bike that had faulty forks....not bad odds them.
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  • Chip \'oyler
    Chip \'oyler Posts: 2,323
    DF33 wrote:
    DF33 wrote:
    designman wrote:
    Wow love the replica "Dogma 60.1" on carbonxsports.

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Full-Carbon-Fiber-Road-Racing-Bike-Frame-Fork-50-56-/150590257574?pt=UK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR&var=&hash=item68c77406b6#ht_1260wt_949

    Anyone bought this?

    This is what could bring these frame deals crashing down.

    It's one thing to copy a frame design as it's difficult to patent frame angles etc, and leave to the buyer to decide that a 'T4457' = say, a pinarello xxx. Same quality carbon, geometry, quality etc. Everybody is happy (except Pinarello).

    But when a dealer blatantly sticks on 'Pinarello xxx' decals and colours then Pinarello, or whichever manufacturer is the clone, will be seriously p1ssed off and will no doubt chase it up.

    Problem is they will then try to go further than that and close the door to extra production runs going out of the back door unbranded too and whatever else.

    It's in everybodys interest to buy from someone like the few companies mentioned on this thread that simply give a frame model number and don't bootleg branded decals and also to boycott stuff like the above.

    If you want to add Bianchi or whatever decals yourself when in the UK thats up to you I suppose. It's still fraud and fake and given the apparent quality of these frames why would you want to?

    It's probably only a matter of time we'll be proud to have 'CARBONZONE' etc decals in the tubes instead in their own right.



    I wrote the above on this thread back in April.

    No surprise then that the bigger companies are starting to bite back. It is straight fraud to them.

    To me, either ride a clone pinarello and leave the decals off or buy a real Pinarello with the decals on. Both ways are fine. But sticking a companies decals on a brand new fake is bootlegging the product. One call to trading standards by the companies (or the police if they can be bothered) and a knock on the door of the owner will most likely quickly follow.

    +1
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  • Pseudonym
    Pseudonym Posts: 1,032
    DF33 wrote:
    To me, either ride a clone pinarello and leave the decals off or buy a real Pinarello with the decals on. Both ways are fine. But sticking a companies decals on a brand new fake is bootlegging the product. One call to trading standards by the companies (or the police if they can be bothered) and a knock on the door of the owner will most likely quickly follow.

    the frames are not sold as 'Pinarello' and there is no attempt at 'passing off' as such. What the buyer wants to stick on the down tube after purchase is entirely up to him. I don't see anything illegal in that - which is probably why Pinarello has not done anything about it...

    If the frames were advertised as 'Pinarello' (fake/passing off) or being sold with Pinarello branding (bootlegged) then that might be different.

    As far as I can tell (with my limited interest in this topic), this is currently, just about, on the right side of the law.....
  • P_Tucker
    P_Tucker Posts: 1,878
    I've consulted my solicitor, who just so happens to have an identical Chinarello to me (except he's gone for Super Record FFS), and he's confident that it's all above board. Wouldn't be in France of Italy, interestingly.
  • JRooke
    JRooke Posts: 243
    lol as if you would ever in a million years get in trouble over buying a Chinarello, if you think any country has the man power to go "knocking" on peoples doors your on crack,

    "so we just went on speedyli and saw u bought a Chinarello, im afraid were gonna have to arrest you for fraud"

    LOL

    I dont have a chinarello and never will, but come on lol, get real
  • petemadoc
    petemadoc Posts: 2,331
    Like . . . . Whatever,

    Ride what you want.

    What really pi55es me off are the big brands (such as Pinarello) sticking a "made in Italy" sticker on their frames that we all know are made in the far east. How's that right? My Focus says made in Germany on the frame and I actually believed that a german person made my frame in a german factory until I was corrected. :oops:

    The moral or legal argument can be done to death, we've all got our own opinions on it but really who gives a 5hit. :roll:

    Can we get back to talking about buying these bikes now

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