The Fury Upgraded (new forks with PICS, finally!!!)

anditsinthere

i found the bar ends would not tighten up? i dunno why.....i sound thick here but the screw had nothing to tighten onto?

kaytronika

Bar ends on Superstar grips have a hole with a thread and a (i think) 2.5mm allen bolt in it. Then a little strip of metal on the other side that grips on to your bar.

gingerninja117

Yeah what I found helps is to put the bit that sticks out of the cartridge a bit further down the bar so then the clamp has more to grip onto.

getonyourbike

The bike is sorted. I had a very productive fettling session today.

I've got everything on, the bash ring, new chainrings, chain device, new rear mech, new cable, new brake pads and the new tyre was already on last night. I also stuck some of my urge stickers on. The LBS mechanic can't even install a Hollowtech BB correctly! The non driveside cup was really loose becuase he hadn't fitted the correct number of spacers, he also hadn't even bothered tapping the BB shell thread or greasing it FFS! I'm glad I had to take it off so soon otherwise it would have seized.

New pics on the first page, if I say so myself I think the new chainrings and bash ring look superb, a work of art. I've had someone else say so too

bland

a work of art like this one



Also, check your inner tubes aint the wrong way round also, terrible cause of flats if they are!

getonyourbike

bland
I think you should hop along back to your playpen

dot1

Too much blue at the front end in my opinion. Should have gone for white bars with blue grips and stem face plate, or blue bars with white grips and white face plate. Also don't like blue cable outers and hoses, but that's just me. Other than that, not a bad job. Just curious, but wouldn't it have been better spending money on some better forks instead of new gears, chain devices etc especially as you're going to be doing some "DH". I've got a pair of Epicons and think they're pretty poor in terms of performance.

getonyourbike

I needed the gear set up change because the chain kept dropping off on the DH. I'll make up more time by being able to put in pedal strokes rather than being a little bit faster with some new forks.

getonyourbike

It's the first time I used the new setup properly, today and it was great. I didn't drop the chain once, there was very little noise when freewheeling from chainslap and the ratios seem good. I can stay in the 36T virtually all the time, I only need to go to the granny on long, steep hills. I'm really liking it. The only disadvantage is a tiny bit more resistance when pedaling but I'm sure that will loosen up with time.

getonyourbike

Full service is being done atm in preparation for the race this weekend. It should be running sweet! 8)

getonyourbike

I've just worked ed out how to true a wheel so that's another skill learnt and the rear wheel trued.

rockmonkeysc

I would think carefully before entering a DH race on this bike, it's a pretty good trail bike but the geometry is too steep for downhill, the wheels won't be strong enough and the forks will flex badly in the rough stuff.
I race DH on a freeride hardtail & it get's beat up real bad because of the lack of rear suspension, I run Intense MAG 30 wheels which are about as strong as it gets & have to true them after every race & have manage to crack the rear. You also nead to be good at jumping to do DH on a hardtail, the more time you can spend in the air the less you get beat up!
You could get down most DH tracks on this bike but certainly not anywhere near DH race speed, not without killing the frame, wheels & forks very quickly.
I tried a specialized Demo recently & was surprised how much faster I could ride that than my own freeride hardtail. There is a good reason why you very rarely see trail bikes at downhill races.
It looks spot on for hard trail riding though, should be just the job on red/black xc trails.

getonyourbike

yeh, I'm thinking that DH races might be a bit far fetched on this. It was tough at the Gravity Enduro at this weekend, very rocky and rooty and stage 5 was classed as a black DH route. I'm really seeing the merits of an AM full sus now.

jay12

agreed, dh on hardtails isn't ideal.ahah. if you really want to get into it then i would think about a longer travel adjustable fork and as you said a full suss am frame

rockmonkeysc

DH on a hardtail is fine, but you need something pretty hardcore, not a trail bike.

Briggo

RockmonkeySC wrote:

DH on a hardtail is fine, but you need something pretty hardcore, not a trail bike.

Not if you're racing, you could get down the track but not with any speed, unless you enjoy coming last.

lawman

for gravity enduros, a 140/150mm am bike with a dropper post would be ideal, with a change of wheels and a chain devise it could handle the odd DH run as well, all my mojo needs is a stronger set of wheels and i'd give brain lopes a run for his money

rockmonkeysc

Not if you're racing, you could get down the track but not with any speed, unless you enjoy coming last.

What a load of rubbish. I race downhill on a hardtail and usually finish mid table, beating more than a few riders on 200mm travel DH bikes. I have to work at it harder than full sus riders but only really loose out because I can't pedal through rock gardens & I loose a bit of rear wheel traction through rough turns. It has taught me to be smooth & pick lines well.
For downhill in the UK you rarely need more than a freeride bike.
The set up of my Summer Season with 160mm front forks & super slack geometry means I can plough through anything flat out.
Don't underestimate what a hardtail can do, a good DH hardtail can do more than "just get down the trail".

Briggo

He's talking about wanting to get into DH properly, not a bumch of locals racing one another.

As of your own admission after trialling a demo it was much faster than your HT and rightly so. That and your bike gets beat up after every ride, why would you do it when you know you can get a DH/AM bike that'll do the job properly, survive the course and allow you to at least try and achieve what you want.

rockmonkeysc

He's talking about wanting to get into DH properly, not a bumch of locals racing one another.

True the races I do are local club races but they do include freeride legend Chris Smith & all round mountain biking god Steve Geall plus some very talented national level young racers.
The Demo was faster than my bike but this was at Triscombe which is very rocky & rooty plus it's a £5000 bike compared to a £1500 hardtail & his Boxxer WC forks are a lot more high tech than my Domains, which do struggle with fast repeated big hits.
I do have to straighten my wheels a lot & I do break parts. Riding DH on a hardtail is a lot of fun, I have to work hard at being fast & when I do a fast run it feels pretty good. I also find that full sus DH bikes feel a bit dull compared to the lively ride you get from a hardtail.
Most of the hardtail DH riders I know do also have a full sus but prefer to ride the hardtail because it's so much more fun.
Before saying you can't do DH on a hardtail either give it a try or try riding with a fast DH hardtail rider as you have obviously not done either.

getonyourbike

My current plan is to just get a frame only and then slowly build it up. Something with 160mm of travel and fairly slack geo. Something like a Nukeproof Mega would be good, perfect for the Gravity Enduros too. The Mega's got a 66 degree head angle which is slack enough for me and it's also cheaper than most other enduro/AM frames.

rockmonkeysc

If you want a slack full sus AM/FR bike, have a look at the Marin Attack Trail, Winstanley have got them for £999 (complete bike) & they are great mini DH bikes

getonyourbike

nah, I want to do a build as it's just something I've been wanting to do.

Briggo

RockmonkeySC wrote:

He's talking about wanting to get into DH properly, not a bumch of locals racing one another.

Before saying you can't do DH on a hardtail either give it a try or try riding with a fast DH hardtail rider as you have obviously not done either.

I never said you can't do DH on a hardtail did I, I have tried it, it wasn't overly enjoyable for me personally.

No I haven't ridden with a 'fast hardtail DH rider' because there isn't any.

The Northern Monkey

Briggo wrote:

RockmonkeySC wrote:

He's talking about wanting to get into DH properly, not a bumch of locals racing one another.

Before saying you can't do DH on a hardtail either give it a try or try riding with a fast DH hardtail rider as you have obviously not done either.

I never said you can't do DH on a hardtail did I, I have tried it, it wasn't overly enjoyable for me personally.

No I haven't ridden with a 'fast hardtail DH rider' because there isn't any.

DH Hardtail in Whistler.

pretty impressive stuff!

getonyourbike

The Northern Monkey wrote:

Briggo wrote:

RockmonkeySC wrote:

He's talking about wanting to get into DH properly, not a bumch of locals racing one another.

Before saying you can't do DH on a hardtail either give it a try or try riding with a fast DH hardtail rider as you have obviously not done either.

I never said you can't do DH on a hardtail did I, I have tried it, it wasn't overly enjoyable for me personally.

No I haven't ridden with a 'fast hardtail DH rider' because there isn't any.

DH Hardtail in Whistler.

pretty impressive stuff!

=nice skills

crazy88

And he had blue handlebars too...it must be a sign!

getonyourbike

crazy88 wrote:

And he had blue handlebars too...it must be a sign!

of course it is!

rockmonkeysc

Briggo wrote:
RockmonkeySC wrote:
Quote:
He's talking about wanting to get into DH properly, not a bumch of locals racing one another.


Before saying you can't do DH on a hardtail either give it a try or try riding with a fast DH hardtail rider as you have obviously not done either.


I never said you can't do DH on a hardtail did I, I have tried it, it wasn't overly enjoyable for me personally.

No I haven't ridden with a 'fast hardtail DH rider' because there isn't any.


DH Hardtail in Whistler.

pretty impressive stuff!

I actually posted that link earlier in this thread then removed it straight away as it has been posted on this forum several thousand times already. Impressive though, very smooth though I'm guessing he sessioned it & it's not one continuous run.

getonyourbike

New forks are now on, as highlighted in my updated orignal post and because I'm a pimp and I had some blue gear cable left, the Poploc cable is also blue. I've got to admit, new forks have probably made the biggest difference to ride quality. New pics will ensue. The Suntours died. Pretty much everything that could go wrong, did. The bushing wore, the stanchions wore, something went wrong with the axle, the rebound damping went incredibly slow and oil leaked out and I found a hairline crack in the fork crown :shock:

For the winter I'm lobbing a Maxxis High Roller 2.35 on the back me thinks.