NY Times - Cyclists are said to back claims Armstrong doped

Tusher

and any EU countries as well?

Tusher

http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/11/ ... 48744?news

at least I'm no the only one who was wondering.

dave_1

sounds like a totally disproportionate use of law enforcement resources. I guess they are desperate though...with each he said being struck down but the other side's she said and no material evidence ...they have no case..and the statute of limitations in January or February 2011?

calvjones

Dave_1 wrote:

sounds like a totally disproportionate use of law enforcement resources. I guess they are desperate though...with each he said being struck down but the other side's she said and no material evidence ...they have no case..and the statute of limitations in January or February 2011?

Statue of limitations is on the doping; Jeff is going after the fraud

Tusher

It's going to run and run.

andyp

Dave_1 wrote:

sounds like a totally disproportionate use of law enforcement resources. I guess they are desperate though...with each he said being struck down but the other side's she said and no material evidence ...they have no case..and the statute of limitations in January or February 2011?

So defrauding the federal government is acceptable?

I doubt you'll find many supporters of that position in the current administration.

dave_1

andyp wrote:

Dave_1 wrote:

sounds like a totally disproportionate use of law enforcement resources. I guess they are desperate though...with each he said being struck down but the other side's she said and no material evidence ...they have no case..and the statute of limitations in January or February 2011?

So defrauding the federal government is acceptable?

I doubt you'll find many supporters of that position in the current administration.

if he did. Defrauding the Spanish public is, yes? I think the cost benefit analysis shows we keep quiet about Indurain and Armstrong. Big Jan and many others are saying nowt. Nobody lost a grand tour win through what they did in my limited experience

andyp

You don't get this do you? The United States Postal Service is a public agency, i.e. funded by the taxpayer, Banesto was a privately owned bank so no government funds were misappropriated.

deejay

Dave_1 wrote:

I think the cost benefit analysis shows we keep quiet about Indurain and Armstrong.
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Ah the quiet man and the Loud Mouth being two extremes in the public eye or even Flash Harry and the Farmer. ?
As they are opposites, I can't see how you can compare them so if you have a cost benefit analysis that compares them, then I shall be interested. :roll:

dave_1

andyp wrote:

You don't get this do you? The United States Postal Service is a public agency, i.e. funded by the taxpayer, Banesto was a privately owned bank so no government funds were misappropriated.

No I don't. I just thought some people are VERY good on bikes.

dougzz

Dave_1 wrote:

No I don't. I just thought some people are VERY good on bikes.

VERY good, VERY VERY good, maybe just a little too good, ever wonder why that might be

dennisn

dougzz wrote:

Dave_1 wrote:

No I don't. I just thought some people are VERY good on bikes.

VERY good, VERY VERY good, maybe just a little too good, ever wonder why that might be

If you think like that and know everyones doped up why watch at all? Or is it because it's like a train wreck and you can't take your eyes off it?

dougzz

dennisn wrote:

If you think like that and know everyones doped up why watch at all? Or is it because it's like a train wreck and you can't take your eyes off it?

That's not really a question I can answer simply. It's been covered before but here's a short version. It's because I find it exciting, it makes me feel good to watch, it's interesting, it's a sport that feels real, the pain, the effort, the graft. It's simple, I might wonder at the technical brilliance of an F1 car, but that's 'so what' to me, watching people able to ride bikes fast through effort and strength just gets me. But, because of that it doesn't mean I sit there all starry eyed with my head up my backside. I do realise not everyone is fuelled only by pasta and energy bars, I feel some of them might be cheating. Now I really don't fancy another huge debate on this, I think it's been covered over and over. Yes, I have no first hand knowledge of it, but I believe it happens, will it stop me watching, no.

dennisn

dougzz wrote:

dennisn wrote:

If you think like that and know everyones doped up why watch at all? Or is it because it's like a train wreck and you can't take your eyes off it?

That's not really a question I can answer simply. It's been covered before but here's a short version. It's because I find it exciting, it makes me feel good to watch, it's interesting, it's a sport that feels real, the pain, the effort, the graft. It's simple, I might wonder at the technical brilliance of an F1 car, but that's 'so what' to me, watching people able to ride bikes fast through effort and strength just gets me. But, because of that it doesn't mean I sit there all starry eyed with my head up my backside. I do realise not everyone is fuelled only by pasta and energy bars, I feel some of them might be cheating. Now I really don't fancy another huge debate on this, I think it's been covered over and over. Yes, I have no first hand knowledge of it, but I believe it happens, will it stop me watching, no.

Same for me, pretty much. Although I've always liked F1. Jimmy Clark was something of a hero to me.

cajun_cyclist

http://www.argusleader.com/article/2010 ... /OPINION01

Lance in Sioux Falls, charity visit. Gives funds to some cancer agency. South Dakota is amongst the most rural sparsely populated states out there along with Wyoming, Alaska and North Dakota.

A cycling group working to form a South Dakota Livestrong team helped organize a Twitter ride during Armstrong's visit, offering to many residents what undoubtedly was a once-in-a-lifetime experience.

More than 500 cyclists responded to Armstrong's invitation to ride through parts of Sioux Falls.

The ride's primary purpose was to leverage Armstrong's star power into another opportunity to help people learn about issues that cancer patients encounter.

I see a lot of "Livestrong" gear around. Does the above mean there are chapters of them around? Interesting thought.

meggiedude

Hey , so what.
Whatever you might think of Armstrong manipulating the media, if there's money going to Cancer sufferers quite frankly I don't care.
Maybe the reason there are so many people wearing the 'Livestrong' gear is that a lot of people know friends or family who have, or have had, Cancer.
Simples.

DaveyL

Just as well the US Postal Service is doing so well and doesn't need to claw back any money.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-11-1 ... drops.html

Er.

iainf72

Popo's gaff has been raided by the Italian coppers

http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/12-11-2 ... 1582.shtml

blazing_saddles

iainf72 wrote:

Popo's gaff has been raided by the Italian coppers

http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/12-11-2 ... 1582.shtml

Was it something he said?

micron

Is this now the leverage Novitzky needs? After all, if Popobitch is found to have a gaff full of PEDs then his grand jury testimony looks somewhat shaky, doesn't it?

andyp

If Popovych had a gaff full of PEDs then he's a lot dumber than he looks.

iainf72

andyp wrote:

If Popovych had a gaff full of PEDs then he's a lot dumber than he looks.

Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.

I see they've taken his mobile and computer too, as well as "substances" during the raid.

moray_gub

micron wrote:

Is this now the leverage Novitzky needs? After all, if Popobitch is found to have a gaff full of PEDs then his grand jury testimony looks somewhat shaky, doesn't it?

Funny having read from you lot this last 4 months i would have thought Novitsky didnt need any leverage given how cut and dried this case is........................apparently.

moray_gub

iainf72 wrote:

andyp wrote:

If Popovych had a gaff full of PEDs then he's a lot dumber than he looks.

Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.

I see they've taken his mobile and computer too, as well as "substances" during the raid.

Taking a computer and substances would be standard procedues during any raid so i dont think you can read too much into that.

ratsbeyfus

iainf72 wrote:

Popo's gaff has been raided by the Italian coppers

http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/12-11-2 ... 1582.shtml

and in English here:

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/6348/Popovych-house-raid-could-be-part-of-wider-US-Postal-Service-investigation.aspx

RichN95.

I never knew that Popo lived in Birmingham:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-11741222

mfin

Moray Gub wrote:

micron wrote:

Is this now the leverage Novitzky needs? After all, if Popobitch is found to have a gaff full of PEDs then his grand jury testimony looks somewhat shaky, doesn't it?

Funny having read from you lot this last 4 months i would have thought Novitsky didnt need any leverage given how cut and dried this case is........................apparently.

Oh the case isn't cut and dried at all...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6DmNMGEuI0

moray_gub

mfin wrote:

Moray Gub wrote:

micron wrote:

Is this now the leverage Novitzky needs? After all, if Popobitch is found to have a gaff full of PEDs then his grand jury testimony looks somewhat shaky, doesn't it?

Funny having read from you lot this last 4 months i would have thought Novitsky didnt need any leverage given how cut and dried this case is........................apparently.

Oh the case isn't cut and dried at all...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6DmNMGEuI0

Are you saying this clip somehow PROVES the misappropriation of public funds ?

BarryBonds

I dont see what all the fuss is about, Armstrongs the legend and hes never been found guilty of anything.
sounds like bitterness and sour grapes to me.

josame

BarryBonds wrote:

I dont see what all the fuss is about, Armstrongs the legend and hes never been found guilty of anything.
sounds like bitterness and sour grapes to me.

I almost replied before noting your name

v good