NY Times - Cyclists are said to back claims Armstrong doped

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  • Tusher
    Tusher Posts: 2,762
    and any EU countries as well?
  • Tusher
    Tusher Posts: 2,762
    http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/11/ ... 48744?news

    at least I'm no the only one who was wondering.
  • dave_1
    dave_1 Posts: 9,512
    sounds like a totally disproportionate use of law enforcement resources. I guess they are desperate though...with each he said being struck down but the other side's she said and no material evidence ...they have no case..and the statute of limitations in January or February 2011?
  • calvjones
    calvjones Posts: 3,850
    Dave_1 wrote:
    sounds like a totally disproportionate use of law enforcement resources. I guess they are desperate though...with each he said being struck down but the other side's she said and no material evidence ...they have no case..and the statute of limitations in January or February 2011?

    Statue of limitations is on the doping; Jeff is going after the fraud
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  • Tusher
    Tusher Posts: 2,762
    It's going to run and run.
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,549
    Dave_1 wrote:
    sounds like a totally disproportionate use of law enforcement resources. I guess they are desperate though...with each he said being struck down but the other side's she said and no material evidence ...they have no case..and the statute of limitations in January or February 2011?

    So defrauding the federal government is acceptable?

    I doubt you'll find many supporters of that position in the current administration.
  • dave_1
    dave_1 Posts: 9,512
    andyp wrote:
    Dave_1 wrote:
    sounds like a totally disproportionate use of law enforcement resources. I guess they are desperate though...with each he said being struck down but the other side's she said and no material evidence ...they have no case..and the statute of limitations in January or February 2011?

    So defrauding the federal government is acceptable?

    I doubt you'll find many supporters of that position in the current administration.

    if he did. Defrauding the Spanish public is, yes? I think the cost benefit analysis shows we keep quiet about Indurain and Armstrong. Big Jan and many others are saying nowt. Nobody lost a grand tour win through what they did in my limited experience
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,549
    You don't get this do you? The United States Postal Service is a public agency, i.e. funded by the taxpayer, Banesto was a privately owned bank so no government funds were misappropriated.
  • deejay
    deejay Posts: 3,138
    Dave_1 wrote:
    I think the cost benefit analysis shows we keep quiet about Indurain and Armstrong.
    .
    Ah the quiet man and the Loud Mouth being two extremes in the public eye or even Flash Harry and the Farmer. ?
    As they are opposites, I can't see how you can compare them so if you have a cost benefit analysis that compares them, then I shall be interested. :roll:
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  • dave_1
    dave_1 Posts: 9,512
    andyp wrote:
    You don't get this do you? The United States Postal Service is a public agency, i.e. funded by the taxpayer, Banesto was a privately owned bank so no government funds were misappropriated.

    No I don't. I just thought some people are VERY good on bikes.
  • dougzz
    dougzz Posts: 1,833
    Dave_1 wrote:

    No I don't. I just thought some people are VERY good on bikes.

    VERY good, VERY VERY good, maybe just a little too good, ever wonder why that might be :)
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    dougzz wrote:
    Dave_1 wrote:

    No I don't. I just thought some people are VERY good on bikes.

    VERY good, VERY VERY good, maybe just a little too good, ever wonder why that might be :)

    If you think like that and know everyones doped up why watch at all? Or is it because it's like a train wreck and you can't take your eyes off it?
  • dougzz
    dougzz Posts: 1,833
    dennisn wrote:

    If you think like that and know everyones doped up why watch at all? Or is it because it's like a train wreck and you can't take your eyes off it?

    That's not really a question I can answer simply. It's been covered before but here's a short version. It's because I find it exciting, it makes me feel good to watch, it's interesting, it's a sport that feels real, the pain, the effort, the graft. It's simple, I might wonder at the technical brilliance of an F1 car, but that's 'so what' to me, watching people able to ride bikes fast through effort and strength just gets me. But, because of that it doesn't mean I sit there all starry eyed with my head up my backside. I do realise not everyone is fuelled only by pasta and energy bars, I feel some of them might be cheating. Now I really don't fancy another huge debate on this, I think it's been covered over and over. Yes, I have no first hand knowledge of it, but I believe it happens, will it stop me watching, no.
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    dougzz wrote:
    dennisn wrote:

    If you think like that and know everyones doped up why watch at all? Or is it because it's like a train wreck and you can't take your eyes off it?

    That's not really a question I can answer simply. It's been covered before but here's a short version. It's because I find it exciting, it makes me feel good to watch, it's interesting, it's a sport that feels real, the pain, the effort, the graft. It's simple, I might wonder at the technical brilliance of an F1 car, but that's 'so what' to me, watching people able to ride bikes fast through effort and strength just gets me. But, because of that it doesn't mean I sit there all starry eyed with my head up my backside. I do realise not everyone is fuelled only by pasta and energy bars, I feel some of them might be cheating. Now I really don't fancy another huge debate on this, I think it's been covered over and over. Yes, I have no first hand knowledge of it, but I believe it happens, will it stop me watching, no.

    Same for me, pretty much. Although I've always liked F1. Jimmy Clark was something of a hero to me.
  • http://www.argusleader.com/article/2010 ... /OPINION01

    Lance in Sioux Falls, charity visit. Gives funds to some cancer agency. South Dakota is amongst the most rural sparsely populated states out there along with Wyoming, Alaska and North Dakota.
    A cycling group working to form a South Dakota Livestrong team helped organize a Twitter ride during Armstrong's visit, offering to many residents what undoubtedly was a once-in-a-lifetime experience.

    More than 500 cyclists responded to Armstrong's invitation to ride through parts of Sioux Falls.

    The ride's primary purpose was to leverage Armstrong's star power into another opportunity to help people learn about issues that cancer patients encounter.

    I see a lot of "Livestrong" gear around. Does the above mean there are chapters of them around? Interesting thought.
  • Hey , so what.
    Whatever you might think of Armstrong manipulating the media, if there's money going to Cancer sufferers quite frankly I don't care.
    Maybe the reason there are so many people wearing the 'Livestrong' gear is that a lot of people know friends or family who have, or have had, Cancer.
    Simples.
    Can I upgrade???
  • DaveyL
    DaveyL Posts: 5,167
    Just as well the US Postal Service is doing so well and doesn't need to claw back any money.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-11-1 ... drops.html

    Er.
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Popo's gaff has been raided by the Italian coppers

    http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/12-11-2 ... 1582.shtml
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • iainf72 wrote:
    Popo's gaff has been raided by the Italian coppers

    http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/12-11-2 ... 1582.shtml

    Was it something he said? :wink:
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • micron
    micron Posts: 1,843
    Is this now the leverage Novitzky needs? After all, if Popobitch is found to have a gaff full of PEDs then his grand jury testimony looks somewhat shaky, doesn't it?
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,549
    If Popovych had a gaff full of PEDs then he's a lot dumber than he looks.
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    andyp wrote:
    If Popovych had a gaff full of PEDs then he's a lot dumber than he looks.

    Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.

    I see they've taken his mobile and computer too, as well as "substances" during the raid.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • moray_gub
    moray_gub Posts: 3,328
    micron wrote:
    Is this now the leverage Novitzky needs? After all, if Popobitch is found to have a gaff full of PEDs then his grand jury testimony looks somewhat shaky, doesn't it?

    Funny having read from you lot this last 4 months i would have thought Novitsky didnt need any leverage given how cut and dried this case is........................apparently.
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  • moray_gub
    moray_gub Posts: 3,328
    iainf72 wrote:
    andyp wrote:
    If Popovych had a gaff full of PEDs then he's a lot dumber than he looks.

    Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.

    I see they've taken his mobile and computer too, as well as "substances" during the raid.

    Taking a computer and substances would be standard procedues during any raid so i dont think you can read too much into that.
    Gasping - but somehow still alive !
  • ratsbeyfus
    ratsbeyfus Posts: 2,841


    I had one of them red bikes but I don't any more. Sad face.

    @ratsbey
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    I never knew that Popo lived in Birmingham:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-11741222
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  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    Moray Gub wrote:
    micron wrote:
    Is this now the leverage Novitzky needs? After all, if Popobitch is found to have a gaff full of PEDs then his grand jury testimony looks somewhat shaky, doesn't it?

    Funny having read from you lot this last 4 months i would have thought Novitsky didnt need any leverage given how cut and dried this case is........................apparently.

    Oh the case isn't cut and dried at all...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6DmNMGEuI0
  • moray_gub
    moray_gub Posts: 3,328
    mfin wrote:
    Moray Gub wrote:
    micron wrote:
    Is this now the leverage Novitzky needs? After all, if Popobitch is found to have a gaff full of PEDs then his grand jury testimony looks somewhat shaky, doesn't it?

    Funny having read from you lot this last 4 months i would have thought Novitsky didnt need any leverage given how cut and dried this case is........................apparently.

    Oh the case isn't cut and dried at all...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6DmNMGEuI0

    Are you saying this clip somehow PROVES the misappropriation of public funds ?
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  • I dont see what all the fuss is about, Armstrongs the legend and hes never been found guilty of anything.
    sounds like bitterness and sour grapes to me.
  • josame
    josame Posts: 1,162
    BarryBonds wrote:
    I dont see what all the fuss is about, Armstrongs the legend and hes never been found guilty of anything.
    sounds like bitterness and sour grapes to me.

    I almost replied before noting your name

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