NY Times - Cyclists are said to back claims Armstrong doped
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ratsbeyfus wrote:
Rest assured Dennisn.... you are creepy.dennisn wrote:No tA Doctor wrote:dennisn wrote:dougzz wrote:So why wouldn't people take a little pleasure in his downfall, should it take place.
So you're going to sit back with a big "Ahhhhhhh, that felt good" if or when he, or anyone, gets "done"??? Seems, at the very least, a bit creepy to me.
Why on earth would it be creepy to take a small amount of pleasure (I'll hardly be popping champagne corks or organising a party) in seeing those that have damaged the sport we love pay for what they've done?
Well, there are levels of creepy. Kinda creepy, creepy, and really creepy.
Let's take, as an example, one of the more prolific Lance haters on this forum. No names but here's a hint. The chart. Now IF, and it's a big IF, this person is really serious about all the anti LA stuff he has posted, AND NOT just playing around(i.e. troll), then I find that really creepy. Sort of stalker type stuff. It's creepy, really creepy to be that obsessed about someone. Now, I'm somewhat obsessed with wanting to know why all the hatred and that makes me think of myself as a bit creepy. That's why the "creepy" comment.
Glad to hear it. It's with a bit of pride that my nieces and nephews refer to me as creepy
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sampras38 wrote:andyp wrote:$1.5 million in bonus payments for Armstrong from the 2001 Tour alone. That's quite some fraud he may have perpertrated, eh?
I'm sure 2nd place Ulrich felt really hard done by...
;-)
Grr.
Tax the bonus! Make them get it deferred!
No more city...I mean, cycling bonuses!!0 -
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/lat ... trong.html
LA could ride in the Tour of California. Likelihood? No idea.0 -
cajun_cyclist wrote:http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/514976/tour-of-california-s-anti-doping-rules-clear-way-for-armstrong.html
LA could ride in the Tour of California. Likelihood? No idea.
Doesn't really matter anyhoo. He'd probably just pootle around and sit in the main pack for the whole race waving at the crowd as he went by. Certainly won't be competitive.0 -
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball ... Stories%29
Didn't want to start a thread for a non cycling story, but this has parallels to Armstrong.0 -
dougzz wrote:http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2011-07-04-clemens-steroids-investigation_n.htm?csp=34sports&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+UsatodaycomSports-TopStories+(Sports+-+Top+Stories)
Didn't want to start a thread for a non cycling story, but this has parallels to Armstrong.
yeah, there is syringe and stuff used in doping Clemens which is material evidence. Is that one of the parallels to Armstrong's case?0 -
I really just meant a broader dimension. Clemons was pretty much an 'All American Hero' type, pitched for the Red Sox and Yankees, and was a cert for the hall of fame. Evidence against him came from amongst others a close friend, the former Yankees pitcher Andy Pettite, who didn't really want to testify, and admitted doping himself. As the story says, the trial will test Clemons legacy as much as the criminal charges. I don't think it's such a stretch to see parallels to Armstrong beyond an obvious response about doping.
Baseball is many ways has similarities to cycling, it's very individual with a team concept, and is also is facing up (or not facing up depending on your view) to years of sterioid abuse that makes the historical records lack valid comparison.0 -
dougzz wrote:Baseball is many ways has similarities to cycling, it's very individual with a team concept, and is also is facing up (or not facing up depending on your view) to years of sterioid abuse that makes the historical records lack valid comparison.
Yes, but American Rounders is also a good ol' institution with some serious Old Money behind it, even moreso than American Rugby.
So it will be vaguely interesting to see how the Americans deal with it - doping on a load of cyclists from places in Ooorop most Merkins have never heard of, against doping against all time hall of famer undisputed world champion in a game which is played almost exclusively in the US.
Consequently I think it'll be very polarized - either it'll be completely whitewashed and never mentioned again, or he'll metaphorically hung, drawn and quartered.0 -
dougzz wrote:I really just meant a broader dimension. Clemons was pretty much an 'All American Hero' type, pitched for the Red Sox and Yankees, and was a cert for the hall of fame. Evidence against him came from amongst others a close friend, the former Yankees pitcher Andy Pettite, who didn't really want to testify, and admitted doping himself. As the story says, the trial will test Clemons legacy as much as the criminal charges. I don't think it's such a stretch to see parallels to Armstrong beyond an obvious response about doping.
Baseball is many ways has similarities to cycling, it's very individual with a team concept, and is also is facing up (or not facing up depending on your view) to years of sterioid abuse that makes the historical records lack valid comparison.
I wonder if they'd have taken the Clemens case forward if they had not had the DNA tainted doping syringe??. But I see what you mean re the friend...Hincapie will save his own bacon when or if it comes to that.0 -
Hincapie, seems likely Vaughters as well.
For DNA tainted syringe you might be able to read paper trail of accounts.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
No tA Doctor wrote:Hincapie, seems likely Vaughters as well.
For DNA tainted syringe you might be able to read paper trail of accounts.
paper trails but vague what money was for. Grand juries may not go for vague stuff. DNA matched doping syringes yes. Hincapie and JV are two whose bona fides we need not doubt, but the other two, definitely won't do LA0 -
The master-manipulator that Armstrong is, I have an expectation that somehow, even if he gets nailed for this, he'll end up turning it around (sooner, or if not, later) and ultimately working it to his advantage in some way.0
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Monty Zoncolan wrote:The master-manipulator that Armstrong is, I have an expectation that somehow, even if he gets nailed for this, he'll end up turning it around (sooner, or if not, later) and ultimately working it to his advantage in some way.
I agree. It's sort of human nature to get yourself back in the good graces of people after you've had "problems". I think most everyone would, at the very least, try to redeem themselves.0 -
dennisn wrote:Monty Zoncolan wrote:The master-manipulator that Armstrong is, I have an expectation that somehow, even if he gets nailed for this, he'll end up turning it around (sooner, or if not, later) and ultimately working it to his advantage in some way.
I agree. It's sort of human nature to get yourself back in the good graces of people after you've had "problems". I think most everyone would, at the very least, try to redeem themselves.
Ive only met him 3 times and we never had a beer so i cant comment0 -
Just reading this on twitter,,@TJQuinnESPN: Recent news, of course, is Armstrong expected to be indicted for fraud, conspiracy related to PEDs
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Doobz wrote:Just reading this on twitter,,@TJQuinnESPN: Recent news, of course, is Armstrong expected to be indicted for fraud, conspiracy related to PEDs
Interesting, wonder if that means they know charges are iminent, or is this just a post one year too late0 -
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BikingBernie wrote:
Cheers for linking that.0 -
It would be a very good thing for pro cycling (and cycling in general) if Armstrong would go away and retire completely- whether he doped or not. Of course if now convicted he will be obliged to do that under UCI rules. Pro cycling didn't need him to make his comeback; the future is ahead, not behind and his era is well and truly behind.0
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When the like of Bruyneel, Riis, McQuaid and Verbruggen are still involved in the sport, his era is far from over.mz__jo wrote:... the future is ahead, not behind and his era is well and truly behind.0 -
BikingBernie wrote:
When the like of Bruyneel, Riis, McQuaid and Verbruggen are still involved in the sport, his era is far from over.mz__jo wrote:... the future is ahead, not behind and his era is well and truly behind.
Well said, it is the truth.
Only last year I sold Lance a painting...I took it to his place in Austin and met him for the first time...
He said that he would pay for the work within the week...three months later he still hadn't stumped up...so I can with legitimacy say that I have had a legal tangle with him myself. It was crystal clear though, there was no way out of it for him, he had signed the papers taking ownership, and title had not passed as he hadn't paid...
Pattern recognition??0 -
You best get your money ahead of the lawyersanonymousforobviousreason wrote:BikingBernie wrote:
When the like of Bruyneel, Riis, McQuaid and Verbruggen are still involved in the sport, his era is far from over.mz__jo wrote:... the future is ahead, not behind and his era is well and truly behind.
Well said, it is the truth.
Only last year I sold Lance a painting...I took it to his place in Austin and met him for the first time...
He said that he would pay for the work within the week...three months later he still hadn't stumped up...so I can with legitimacy say that I have had a legal tangle with him myself. It was crystal clear though, there was no way out of it for him, he had signed the papers taking ownership, and title had not passed as he hadn't paid...
Pattern recognition??
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I donated sperm for Lance but it's all hush hush and I can't tell anyone about it. Anyway, I went over to his house in Aspen and did the business into a paper cup and thought no more about it, he said he'd send me $50 by Paypal. 3 months later I was still waiting. In the end I had to threaten him with the small claims court and it was only then that he sent me the cash.
So yeah, definitely a pattern emerging here.0 -
Seanos wrote:I donated sperm for Lance but it's all hush hush and I can't tell anyone about it. Anyway, I went over to his house in Aspen and did the business into a paper cup and thought no more about it, he said he'd send me $50 by Paypal. 3 months later I was still waiting. In the end I had to threaten him with the small claims court and it was only then that he sent me the cash.
So yeah, definitely a pattern emerging here.
Did he pay the 3% Paypal Fee? I wager that he did not...0 -
Now you mention it, no he didn't. But luckily I didn't really need it by this time as my dad died and he invented marmalade and I get the royalties. Now I live in the BT tower and travel to work in a gyrocopter and I have a bike made out of special NASA space metal that can go all invisible.anonymousforobviousreason wrote:Seanos wrote:I donated sperm for Lance but it's all hush hush and I can't tell anyone about it. Anyway, I went over to his house in Aspen and did the business into a paper cup and thought no more about it, he said he'd send me $50 by Paypal. 3 months later I was still waiting. In the end I had to threaten him with the small claims court and it was only then that he sent me the cash.
So yeah, definitely a pattern emerging here.
Did he pay the 3% Paypal Fee? I wager that he did not...
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