Contemplating a new car...
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'cos you can write off a lot of the cost, and it's a good opportunity to drive something bonkers?missmarple wrote:Thewaylander wrote:chocolate teapot you mean?
A kettle boils, hot chocolate melts. Therefore heat transfer.
And out of interest why the hell would a business use a 6.2Litre AMG? Worst investment EVAR.
I too was steered away from Jags (x-type in this case) when I was looking for a new car, ended up with an e46 3 series and I like it a lot. Had a ride in (not driven) a diesel x-type the other day. The seats were comfy but I didn't like the rest of the interior all that much. Engine felt pokey though, and it settled down on the motorway very nicely.
If you're gonna get a bmw, get a 323 or higher capacity, they are a lot nicer to drive than the smallers engines and the 323 has comparable economy (in my experience) to the 318.
Edit - e46 3 series estates aren't an awful lot begger than golfs.SOLD!0 -
El Capitano wrote:Much as I'm happy with the current Cakemobile (Subaru Legacy Outback), I'm having a few issues driving as I'm suffering from "Frozen Shoulder". Now easy as the Cakemobile is to drive, Mrs C won't drive it as she say's its too big (Oooh er matron).
So, I'm considering getting something a bit smaller for the next year or so. Currently looking at VW Golf sized cars. Specifically, surprisingly enough, Golfs.
Anyone got any experience with the VR6 4Motion's or R32's? I'll still need 4wd and a decent sized engine as my carrying requirements hopefully won't change.
Also, any other suggestions? (Surf-Matt, just to save you the bother, we've already discounted the BMW 3 series estate... )
Out of interest El, why do you need 4x4? :?0 -
missmarple wrote:Right. I'm not going to add any more to this thread, as it'll just turn into a whacking great arguments where the deceptive and arrogant collide. Getting back on topic......
I'm going to listen to the real car critics now. 8)
What because you have just been proved wrong about five times? The X Type is a rebadged Mondeo. It's about as desirable as clap. Then you say if you want a sporty drive buy a Merc
Yes the AMG Mercs are quick but they also cost twice that of an X Type or even equivalent 3 series and STILL don't handle well (Black Label excepted).
This isn't an argument - it's you making a t1t of yourself. Your posts are often interesting but in this instance, you couldn't "fight" your way out of a paper bag.
If someone bought me an X Type, I'd be angry with them. I'd far rather have a Mondeo or a Focus. Or an Astra. Or in fact a Prius.
I can find plenty of other reviews that agree with me - but then you'll spout some guff about them not being written by Wil Self or something else equally stupid. 0 -
Surf-Matt wrote:missmarple wrote:Right. I'm not going to add any more to this thread, as it'll just turn into a whacking great arguments where the deceptive and arrogant collide. Getting back on topic......
I'm going to listen to the real car critics now. 8)
What because you have just been proved wrong about five times? The X Type is a rebadged Mondeo. It's about as desirable as clap. Then you say if you want a sporty drive buy a Merc Yes the AMG Mercs are quick but they also cost twice that of an X Type or even equivalent 3 series and STILL don't handle well (Black Label excepted).
This isn't an argument - it's you making a t1t of yourself. Your posts are often interesting but in this instance, you couldn't "fight" your way out of a paper bag.
If someone bought me an X Type, I'd be angry with them. I'd far rather have a Mondeo or a Focus. Or an Astra. Or in fact a Prius.
I can find plenty of other reviews that agree with me - but then you'll spout some guff about them not being written by Wil Self or something else equally stupid.
What I'm trying to get at Matt, is the fact that you've discounted the Jaguar into the ground - and when I've challenged that with real first-hand experience, you've thrown facts and figures as well as a helping of GCSE Business jargon in reply as retaliation. The Jag is a good car, I never said it was the best. I've just checked out all the reviews, as a duty to myself - and I haven't found one that said 'OMIDAYZ IZ SO BAD INNIT DOE'.
Nor did I ever say "if you want a sporty drive, buy a merc" - I said, if we want a more sporty drive we'll just use our CLK320. I didn't say go out and buy one, I said thats what we use.
But of course, then I'll spout some guff. Rofl, I'm not going to get hung up about it mate - you are, so have a nice day. :P
Oh and for the record, I don't use paper bags - they disintegrate in the rain. 0 -
Hung up because I find examples and facts to back up what I'm saying?
A CLK 320 for a sporty drive?
Ermmmm....Quite rapid but not sporty.
As for the Jag - do you think I regurgigate reviews without any experience? No I don't. I gather vast amounts of (mostly useless) info from driving god knows how many cars and from speaking to real life people.0 -
Surf-Matt wrote:Hung up because I find examples and facts to back up what I'm saying?
A CLK 320 for a sporty drive?
Ermmmm....Quite rapid but not sporty.
As for the Jag - do you think I regurgigate reviews without any experience? No I don't. I gather vast amounts of (mostly useless) info from driving god knows how many cars and from speaking to real life people.
Lovely weather....(I will have the last word on this) :twisted:0 -
No you don't.
Anyway from the words you write, I'm fairly sure the cars you mention belong to parents or older relatives rather than yourself.
I used to get very overexcited when dad has uR Quattros, a 928, a 400bhp pickup, etc but I never gave the impression I actually knew much about driving them.
I may be wrong but I suspect not...0 -
Surf-Matt wrote:No you don't.
Anyway from the words you write, I'm fairly sure the cars you mention belong to parents or older relatives rather than yourself.
I used to get very overexcited when dad has uR Quattros, a 928, a 400bhp pickup, etc but I never gave the impression I actually knew much about driving them.
I may be wrong but I suspect not...
Yes, they do belong to relatives - namely the parents; and yes - I have driven them, insured - as a second driver.
I can appreciate your perspective Matt, I'm not getting over-excited about the cars - I just don't appreciate you discounting my opinion, over yours - someone who has heard only second-hand or very limited news/experience. Thats all. 0 -
missmarple wrote:Surf-Matt wrote:No you don't.
Anyway from the words you write, I'm fairly sure the cars you mention belong to parents or older relatives rather than yourself.
I used to get very overexcited when dad has uR Quattros, a 928, a 400bhp pickup, etc but I never gave the impression I actually knew much about driving them.
I may be wrong but I suspect not...
Yes, they do belong to relatives - namely the parents; and yes - I have driven them, insured - as a second driver.
I can appreciate your perspective Matt, I'm not getting over-excited about the cars - I just don't appreciate you discounting my opinion, over yours - someone who has heard only second-hand or very limited news/experience. Thats all.
Explain? I have been driving for 15 years, done the IAM course, been Police trained and reviewed a car for the Independent. Also driven countless cars from Daihatsus to Ferraris. So please explain this sentence. Because it looks to me like BS. You are talking about parents cars that TBH I'd be very surprised if you are insured on. I am talking about my OWN cars and ones I've considered buying as well as many I've tested, hired, etc.0 -
We are not discounting your opinion mate.. we are just telling you ya wrong hehe
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Thewaylander wrote:We are not discounting your opinion mate.. we are just telling you ya wrong hehe
Heh, I'm alright about it. Looks as if SurfMatt has a bee in his bonnet. Believe what you will - call me a bullshitter if you like mate, by all means - I've got no problem with that.
So you've owned the Jag X-Type 3.0 AWD Sports Premium or am I mistaken? :twisted:
The fact that you're getting so hung up about talking to me, an 18 year old makes me laugh even more!0 -
Not owned but been in about and behind the wheel of an x-type though i think it was a 2.2 deisel.
And felt like what it was to me.. a mondeo with naff trimmings.. I'm not to worried i'm just winding you up a bit as you get older and drive more cars you will get experience to compare more. that happens to be the bracket that Matts car is in and he tested alot so he does know the price bracket too mate.
Mostly Jags and mercs are driven by steady people who don't want alot of fuss when picking so develope a brand loyalty(particularly merc drivers)0 -
Thewaylander wrote:Not owned but been in about and behind the wheel of an x-type though i think it was a 2.2 deisel.
And felt like what it was to me.. a mondeo with naff trimmings.. I'm not to worried i'm just winding you up a bit as you get older and drive more cars you will get experience to compare more. that happens to be the bracket that Matts car is in and he tested alot so he does know the price bracket too mate.
Mostly Jags and mercs are driven by steady people who don't want alot of fuss when picking so develope a brand loyalty(particularly merc drivers)
Indeed, its not my car to rag - but on the french motorways, transporting vast amounts of duvets, pillows and new cutlery from house to house - the jag is a fantastic drive. I can't comment on your 'Naff' trimmings as we've got leather, heated seats, satnav etc.
And totally agree with the age thing, its laughable that I've already got my private pilot's licenec - more so the fact I'll be flying the likes of you lot around in late 2011. Ha! :shock:0 -
18 years old and the "font of all knowledge" on cars
When I was 18 I knew a lot of car FACTS but didn't ever attempt to argue how different cars DRIVE. You have a maximum on ONE years experience of driving and if you are genuinely allowed to drive your folks cars legally, then you are incredibly spoilt (did they pay for the pilots license too?).
Sure argue about boy bands, football and maybe even MTBing but to argue with the rest of us about cars is absolute comedy.
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Surf-Matt wrote:18 years old and the "font of all knowledge" on cars
When I was 18 I knew a lot of car FACTS but didn't ever attempt to argue how different cars DRIVE. You have a maximum on ONE years experience of driving and if you are genuinely allowed to drive your folks cars legally, then you are incredibly spoilt (did they pay for the pilots license too?).
Sure argue about boy bands, football and maybe even MTBing but to argue with the rest of us about cars is absolute comedy.
Game over.
Rofl, in fact uber rofl my friend. Once again you jump to conclusions - you're the one proclaiming to be the font of all knowledge on everything, not me. :P
And yes, as matter of fact - they paid for both! Did I go to Private School? No, I didn't. I chose to go to a comprehensive and learn to fly from the age of 14 instead, so I presume all privately schooled children are 'spoilt' too?
Hmm, let me explain you this - I was insured on those cars to help travel some 600 miles to the parent's other house, splitting the load of driving between the three of us, common sense in my opinion but by all means tar me with brush of assumption.
And for the record, the only person who is arguing is you - this is a petty conversation that you've let boil over yourself between us, and only us.
Sorry El, for slightly hijacking your thread. Normal posting can now resume. :P
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Erm, right, thanks for the replies (before the thread got derailed...).
A3 - good suggestion, handn't thought of that.
Need 4WD/AWD as I spend a lot of time with the car fully loaded in muddy fields and, recently, I've been driving in far too much snow around Wales. That said, I still need something that drives like a car rather than a 4X4.0 -
Get a pink car.0
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Andy wrote:Get a pink car.
Such as this, perfectly adequate for your needs, but then again I could be spouting a bunch of guff:
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El Capitano wrote:Andy wrote:Get a pink car.
Id rather get a BMW...
you really don't want a pink car then! 0 -
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El Capitano wrote:Need 4WD/AWD as I spend a lot of time with the car fully loaded in muddy fields and, recently, I've been driving in far too much snow around Wales. That said, I still need something that drives like a car rather than a 4X4.
Subaru Forester. Get the STI (though Japanese Import only, I believe) and it comes with 240bhp Proper farm vehicle that will outrun 90% of cars on the road. Apparently the handling's very good, but obviously the 4wd capabilities are compromised a bit... 0 -
Ok, at the risk of entering right into the middle of things I have actually owned Jag X-Type (a 2L Diesel 'Sport') and to be fair it wasn't a bad car. The build quality was fine, it was really comfortable, decent fuel economy and ate motorway miles. I actually quite liked the styling too.... however the 'sport' designation was decidedly optimistic! It was not a quick car by any means, but definitely the best I've owned over speed bumps, if that's a deciding factor in the equation.
I've never driven the 3L and maybe with 4wd and a bigger petrol engine it might be a different story, but if you're after a sporty ride I suggest it is at the opposite end of the spectrum.
To be honest for a mid sized, quick hatchback, I wouldn't look much further than the Golf. The A3s are nice (although tend to get pricey when you start adding necessary options). I've never driven one, but the quick Seats look interesting...0 -
+1meesterbond wrote:Ok, at the risk of entering right into the middle of things I have actually owned Jag X-Type (a 2L Diesel 'Sport') and to be fair it wasn't a bad car. The build quality was fine, it was really comfortable, decent fuel economy and ate motorway miles. I actually quite liked the styling too.... however the 'sport' designation was decidedly optimistic! It was not a quick car by any means, but definitely the best I've owned over speed bumps, if that's a deciding factor in the equation.
I've never driven the 3L and maybe with 4wd and a bigger petrol engine it might be a different story, but if you're after a sporty ride I suggest it is at the opposite end of the spectrum.
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VWSurfbum wrote:
+1meesterbond wrote:Ok, at the risk of entering right into the middle of things I have actually owned Jag X-Type (a 2L Diesel 'Sport') and to be fair it wasn't a bad car. The build quality was fine, it was really comfortable, decent fuel economy and ate motorway miles. I actually quite liked the styling too.... however the 'sport' designation was decidedly optimistic! It was not a quick car by any means, but definitely the best I've owned over speed bumps, if that's a deciding factor in the equation.
I've never driven the 3L and maybe with 4wd and a bigger petrol engine it might be a different story, but if you're after a sporty ride I suggest it is at the opposite end of the spectrum.
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WOAH!!!
This thread is getting viscious!!!
In Surf-Matt's defence, he has been around alot longer than you, missmarple, and so will have driven many more cars. Because you *think* a certain car is sporty, or has a sporty feel to it, is irrelevant, untill you have driven (for longer than a spin around the block) some REAL sports / super cars AND some slower, 'crappy' cars and trucks, to give you the whole spectrum so you can accurately plot where you think that car will sit.
Also, you just make yourself sound a bit spoilt - you can drive all your parents cars and already have a PPL at 18 (I think...???). Sometimes you need to know when to listen to older (sorry folks, don't mean to call you all old-farts ) guys, who HAVE been around, and driven lots of different styles, classes, ages, price ranges, models and brands of cars.
Now, back on topic (finally!!!)
The cars I suggest for you (none of which I have any first hand experience, but being a bit of a car geek, would recommend) are, in no particular order....
VW Passat 4 Motion (4 wheel drive variant - rare-ish, but there are a few around if you hunt for them)
Audi A3 / A4 quattro respectively
Audi Allroad - if you need a bit more ground clearance, but don't need a full-blown 4x4
The Volvo (bear with me here....) V70 XC
Fiat Panda 4x4
Or even a modern one....
And finally.... (Becasue I really like 'em!) Jaguar X-type AWD
Infact, sod it, not finally at all...
Here's the perfect solution...!
Boo-yah mofo
Sick to the power of rad
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Chaz, did you not read the post afterwards, I got a PPL INSTEAD of going to Private School, Private School costing thousands per term, a PPL costing £6000. Do the math, I don't think that is being spoilt; plenty of other people who have PPLs aged 17 too - welcome to the aviation world. End of rant for evar and evar and evar. 0
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Hahahaaa...missmarple wrote:Chaz, did you not read the post afterwards, I got a PPL INSTEAD of going to Private School, Private School costing thousands per term, a PPL costing £6000. Do the math, I don't think that is being spoilt; plenty of other people who have PPLs aged 17 too - welcome to the aviation world. End of rant for evar and evar and evar.
So that makes you grounded....? But yet your parents own / have owned Alfa's, Jags and Mercs (all of which you drive, on your - I assume driving licence which your 'rent's paid for). And you have a £6,000 PPL...
By comprehensive, I assume you mean public school?
I grew up in a small-ish village, in the countryside. I worked since I was about 12 at farms. My Mum raised me and my bro up God only knows how, when my parents divorced (living in a small terrest HOUSE, not flat). I've always been to state schools, and never driven my Mum's (15 year old) volvo, which was a hand-me-down from her Dad.
By no means am I doing the my-life-was-harder-than-your-life competition, but I have had, what I thought was a normal up-bringing. some of my friends had slightly wealthier parents, some had slightly harder-up parents, but we were all around the same.
I've not been spoilt with these fancy cars and flying stuffs. And certainly not uni - my family / I simply couldn't afford it. Oh, and before you go hunting for my thread which has pictures of my car and bikes in - I bought them myself I've been in the Army 5 years, and earned my driving licences, and money to pay for cars, bikes, motorbikes, watches, travel etc etc.
No offence, but I think it's funny how you think you HAVEN'T been spoilt...Boo-yah mofo
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laughing my head off at this thread!! i'm not spoilt but mummy and daddy have just given me £6000 for flying lessons....classic....
so you've driven a jag so that makes you an expert, sorry but through my own experiences the bmw's are a far better drivers car than the jaguars...erm..fords, sorry i meant tata's.......0 -
Argumentum ad xxx. Love it.0
