Got some helmet cam footage of YOUR commute?
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Jamey wrote:BMW driver in top vid now reported to the police, complete with stills / screenshots as well as vid itself.
God I love Roadsafe London.
Can't see no seatbelt against his white top either.I've added a signature to prove it is still possible.0 -
Yep, mentioned the lack of seatbelt in the report to the Met.0
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I've just received this email from YouTube:Dear JameyCam, This is to notify you that we have received a privacy
complaint from an individual regarding your content:
Video URLs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8RZYpjCyys
The information reported as violating privacy is at 0:08
We would like to give you an opportunity to remove or edit your video so
that it no longer potentially violates the privacy of the individuals
involved. You can edit your video by removing names and other personal
information from the video's title, metadata or tags. Annotations or
marking the video as private are not acceptable forms of editing and your
video will still be at risk of removal. Please edit or remove the material
reported by the individual within 48 hours of today's date. If no action
is taken, the video will then come in for review by the YouTube staff and
be prohibited from being uploaded again.
If the potential privacy violation is contained within the metadata or
title of the video, you should be able to edit this content without video
removal. If the potential privacy violation is within the video content,
the video may have to be removed completely.
Protecting a person's privacy is protecting their personal safety. When
uploading videos in the future, please remember not to post someone else's
image or personal information without their consent. Personal information
includes things such as names, phone numbers and email addresses. For more
information, please review our Community Guidelines at
http://www.youtube.com/t/community_guidelines?hl=en_GB and our Safety
Centre at http://www.youtube.com/t/safety?hl=en_GBRegards,
The YouTube Team
So I sent them this reply:Hello,
Thanks for letting me know but it is my belief that my video
( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8RZYpjCyys )
does not violate anyone's privacy.
Please note the following points:
- This video was filmed entirely by me using the helmet-mounted camera I
wear at all times while cycling to and from work.
- This video was filmed entirely on public roads.
- The information that I presume is in question is the car's number plate
which was clearly visible in the video.
- The reason cars have number plates is so that the driver can be traced
when they do something stupid. In this instance I reported the driver to the
police and gave them the URL to this video along with my report. But it is
only the police that can trace him. Nobody else viewing this video will be
able to track him down, not that they'd want to.
- I presume the driver has received a letter from the police (they told me
they were sending him one) about his behaviour and has reported this video
for a privacy breach. However none of his personal details are on display. A
car number plate is a public-facing record of a car's registration and this
video was filmed in public.
Please get back to me to let me know your decision. Thank you.
J0 -
Jamey wrote:I've just received this email from YouTube:Dear JameyCam, This is to notify you that we have received a privacy
complaint from an individual regarding your content:
Video URLs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8RZYpjCyys
The information reported as violating privacy is at 0:08
We would like to give you an opportunity to remove or edit your video so
that it no longer potentially violates the privacy of the individuals
involved. You can edit your video by removing names and other personal
information from the video's title, metadata or tags. Annotations or
marking the video as private are not acceptable forms of editing and your
video will still be at risk of removal. Please edit or remove the material
reported by the individual within 48 hours of today's date. If no action
is taken, the video will then come in for review by the YouTube staff and
be prohibited from being uploaded again.
If the potential privacy violation is contained within the metadata or
title of the video, you should be able to edit this content without video
removal. If the potential privacy violation is within the video content,
the video may have to be removed completely.
Protecting a person's privacy is protecting their personal safety. When
uploading videos in the future, please remember not to post someone else's
image or personal information without their consent. Personal information
includes things such as names, phone numbers and email addresses. For more
information, please review our Community Guidelines at
http://www.youtube.com/t/community_guidelines?hl=en_GB and our Safety
Centre at http://www.youtube.com/t/safety?hl=en_GBRegards,
The YouTube Team
So I sent them this reply:Hello,
Thanks for letting me know but it is my belief that my video
( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8RZYpjCyys )
does not violate anyone's privacy.
Please note the following points:
- This video was filmed entirely by me using the helmet-mounted camera I
wear at all times while cycling to and from work.
- This video was filmed entirely on public roads.
- The information that I presume is in question is the car's number plate
which was clearly visible in the video.
- The reason cars have number plates is so that the driver can be traced
when they do something stupid. In this instance I reported the driver to the
police and gave them the URL to this video along with my report. But it is
only the police that can trace him. Nobody else viewing this video will be
able to track him down, not that they'd want to.
- I presume the driver has received a letter from the police (they told me
they were sending him one) about his behaviour and has reported this video
for a privacy breach. However none of his personal details are on display. A
car number plate is a public-facing record of a car's registration and this
video was filmed in public.
Please get back to me to let me know your decision. Thank you.
J
Waaaahhh! That nasty man filmed me being a tool and posted it on the interwebs!!!!!!
LMAO
Good response by the way.0 -
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Well I'd hope they'll give me the chance to remove the reg from the video's title and annotations before they do that.
Then it should be compliant as the only remaining reference would be within the video footage itself and they can't expect people to go blurring all the reg numbers in video to avoid infringing personal data etc.0 -
Jamey wrote:Then it should be compliant as the only remaining reference would be within the video footage itself and they can't expect people to go blurring all the reg numbers in video to avoid infringing personal data etc.
The thing is youTube is owned by google and they had to blur out number plates (and faces) for their street view due to "privicy" concerns, as such i doubt they'll let you keep it up
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That's slightly different though because seeing a car parked in the driveway of a house = owner of that registration probably lives at that address.
However I dug around last night and while I can't find an exact precedent online it would seem that YouTube are fairly cautious with regard to privacy and take the view that if anyone recognisably appears in your video for any reason (even if it was filmed in a public place) and they request to be removed then YouTube grant them that privacy.
Which is crap as the law permits filming in public places (and publishing those images without any need for permits or release forms) as long as it's not for commercial use.
But obviously YouTube go further. Well... Maybe. We'll have to wait and see what their judgement is in this case as it's not a person, it's a car which may or may not be different.0 -
Well, as I'm sure you know, there are plenty of other video hosting sites araound.0
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If Youtube remove it I'll post it elsewhere but I'll still stick with YT for my main stuff and only post elsewhere if a video gets removed from YT, I think.0
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thats an intresting on jamey, let us know how it goes!0
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Certainly will.
I'm actually quite intrigued myself to see how it goes. I don't mind having one strike on my Youtube account for the sake of providing a test case / precedent type thing.0 -
wow! i just watched this and it's incredible how dangerous this stunt was and he didn't even care for the cyclists!Greenbank wrote:Top driving from this police car this afternoon:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADpmutOfyrc
Better quality (3MB WMV file):
http://www.greenbank.org/misc/interesting_stop.wmv
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If I had a baby elephant signature, I'd use that.Coveryourcar.co.uk RT Tester
north west of england.0 -
Advice required here guys. I reported this one to Roadsafe last week.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVHUY-wdXvs
Today a comment appeared. I'll report it to the police. Anything else I should do?m8 dats ma car u better be taking dat off u tosser0 -
Kurako wrote:Advice required here guys. I reported this one to Roadsafe last week.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVHUY-wdXvs
Today a comment appeared. I'll report it to the police. Anything else I should do?m8 dats ma car u better be taking dat off u tosser
Tell him to learn how to spell, then come back later.0 -
Looks like RoadSafe London have made good on their word to start sending the YouTube links to the offenders then.
I'm guessing these things (comment above and privacy flag in my case) are now going to begin happening more often.
Hold tight, lads.0 -
You've got to question the mentality of some people. I'd respond much better to something like 'I made a mistake. I'm sorry. Please will you take the video down as it's a bit embarassing'. That'd probably work for me. I don't respond all that well to being called a tosser.0
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To be honest I think I'd rather update the description to say the person had got in touch and apologised rather than actually take it down.
That's what I did with the minibus people in the first ever video I posted.0 -
If anyone is interested - I actually went to meet the officers that run the road safe london website and back end. Some top guys with sound advice
http://croydoncyclist.wordpress.com/201 ... fe-london/
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Kurako, in regards to the guy contacting you. i would recommend sending a message to him, keep it friendly, and point out that if his driving was better then this wouldn't have been posted online, if your feeling particularly nice, then take it down and let him know, if not then don't.0 -
Cheers Gaz,
Good report. Have you calmed down your style since meeting the Old Bill?
I replied to the dude already. I thought it best to be polite but firm while stating that I'd inform the police whenever he contacted me directly. I also pointed out that youtube has a clearly defined complaints procedure. I can't really be bothered getting in an argument with some ignorant tosser
If anyone wants to see what I wrote just click on the link a few posts up. Cheers to Jamey. I 'borrowed' your phrase about filming on the public highway.0 -
I calmed it down a lot before hand. I was surprised they didn't mention anything about that!Kurako wrote:Cheers Gaz,
Good report. Have you calmed down your style since meeting the Old Bill?0 -
Yeah, good report.
I'm jealous, would be interested to go along too, especially with regard to the video side of things as that's largely my job (video on the interwebs etc).0 -
Well this is interesting.
Just noticed that YouTube have removed the video in question.
But I didn't get any email to tell me they'd done it, I only noticed because I logged in and saw the status on it had changed to Rejected (content inappropriate).
My account still seems to be in good standing, I don't think I've had a strike against me as far as I can see but I would like some sort of dialogue with them about why they removed it.
Was it just the mention of the reg in the title and annotation or was it the actual video footage they object to? I don't know and I may never know. Might post on their forum but I don't think you get official responses there, only views from other YouTube users.
Edit: right, it seems their "Help Forum" isn't actually a forum, it's just the name they give to their help pages.
Edit 2: Scratch that, the forums do exist and are located here. It's just that the navigation on YouTube's help pages sucks. Had to find it via a Google search.0 -
Jamey,
One interesting thing to try if you're feeling mischievous. Add the vid again without the annotation or reg in the comments. You'd have to take a slightly different clip as they check for duplicate vids. Maybe start and end at a different point. See if anyone notices. Heh heh!0 -
Might try that, will see.
Might also blur the reg, then the video is completely within their guidelines (was tempted to say "legal" but it already was, it's just that YT's guidelines go further than the law does).
Have posted on their forums here:
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/y ... 4525&hl=en
I fully expect a load of YouTube fanboys will lay into me now and tell me that I should just respect their decision and live with it. Maybe if that happens some of you (that are registered on YT) can back me up on the thread, perhaps.0 -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEFUod6PvmQ
A honda clunk who didn't want to stop at the white line so rode along the legth of it instead which I wasn't expecting as I was looking over my right shoulder for oncoming traffic and when I last looked the clunk was by the white line in the middle of the road.I've added a signature to prove it is still possible.0 -
Have re-posted video on YouTube with blurred number plate and no reg details in the title or desription. URL is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrAoEdXjPQY
Have also posted original video (without blurring and with reg details in title) on VholdR here:
http://www.vholdr.com/node/88055
Will see if the driver notices and tries the same trick again. There are no details visible so I'd be extremely annoyed with YouTube if they removed it a second time.0 -
Same junction. Similar time. Look out for taxis. The drivers can be a bit mental.
Thursday. Girl rides between kerb and taxi at a red light. If you're the sort of person who does this please stop it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phxkeJfT0Xw
Friday. This is why being anywhere near a taxi is a big PITA. Don't put yourself in the firing line unnecessarily. I couldn't help being in front of a taxi this time. He passed close enough for me to touch the side of the cab without much effort.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tMka1F-JQE0 -
Jamey wrote:Have re-posted video on YouTube with blurred number plate and no reg details in the title or desription. URL is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrAoEdXjPQY
Have also posted original video (without blurring and with reg details in title) on VholdR here:
http://www.vholdr.com/node/88055
Will see if the driver notices and tries the same trick again. There are no details visible so I'd be extremely annoyed with YouTube if they removed it a second time.
I hope this won't happen to all cyclists who carry helmet cams! I'm worried that drivers will start to kick up a fuss about this. What I would do:-
Do not post the registration in title nor the descritpion of the video.
If you have to, blurr it.
Post the registration in any of the bike message boards. That way, if it gets googled, it will still show up!
And, by the way, we both have the same bike.
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Well one question that could clear this up is whether YouTube would have allowed the video if i had edited the title and annotation to remove the registration details.
But I can't get an answer because it's impossible to speak to anyone at Youtube.
On the one hand, you could take the view that if those edits would have been sufficient then YouTube would either have made the edits themselves or sent me a message asking me to make them but still leave the video up instead of removing the whole thing.
On the other hand, you could also take the view that the YouTube staff that view flagged videos are so busy that they can't be editing things and it's much quicker for them to just remove it, even if editing would have been enough to make it compliant.
So I don't actually know whether the issue is that the reg was readable in the actual video footage itself or whether the issue is that I included the reg in the title and annotation.
Amazingly, i think the quickest way for us to get an answer would actually be for one of us (whichever of us is the next one to be in this situation) to try editing the title and any other areas where the reg appears as text rather than video and see what YouTube do then.
But of course, you don't know whether it was examined by the same person and a certain amount of discretion may be available to them, perhaps.
All in all it's extremely vague and seems to be massively weighted in favour of the person doing the flagging.0
