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  • wolfsbane2k
    wolfsbane2k Posts: 3,056
    cj504 wrote:
    I ride through here quite a bit and likely often used by any Regent's Park lot, I'm dubious of people who wear woolly hats under a helmet at the best of times however words fail me on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4JdDufwkxQ

    He's very lucky to get away lightly and I hope didn't impede the fire engine much longer!

    Interesting situation. Looks like the cyclist had pulled over to let the fire engine past, but before it had overtaken fully, the cyclist had started moving again, meaning they never got to see the back of the vehicle, and its' indicators.

    I physically can't see any indicators on the cyclist's side of the vehicle flashing yellow as it's performing the turn.

    From the cyclists' point of view , without being able to see any indicators, the fire engine is then moving into the right hand lane, potentially to go straight ahead, or turn right, and therefore it's clear to go ahead - notice that the motorcyclist thinks this as well ( they begin to accelerate when the fireengine swings right, then slams on the brakes as they start to pull left - but he can see the back of the FE, and therefore it's indicators)

    In this instance, formally, it's both in the wrong - but not sure on proportionality between FE driver and the cyclist.

    I could see any other road user making the same mistake if they haven't dropped far enough back to see the indicator, and couldn't say I wouldn't end up in the same boat - I'd like to think not, but...
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  • EliDude
    EliDude Posts: 7
    Veronese68 wrote:
    TGOTB wrote:
    Veronese68 wrote:
    TGOTB wrote:
    Church Road was totally gridlocked this morning - seriously. Especially heading away from Kingston; looked gruesome. I'd advise extreme caution.
    Doesn't surprise me at all. I suspect Latchmere Road will be really bad with lots of impatient types pushing their way through when there is nowhere for them to go. That's before I get to Church Road.
    How was it? Traffic was so bad this morning (aided by fire on Richmond Hill) that daughter couldn't get a bus and had to walk to school.
    Had a bit of SCR with a serial red light jumping Allez man through Twickenham to Richmond. I think he jumped 3 sets of lights at least, I made a point of passing him as quickly as I could each time. I slowed right down passing the queuing traffic coming up to the roadworks at St Margarets and he caught me at the lights. I glared at him as he pulled up and miraculously he stayed just to the right and behind me.

    Very polite of Him. The Allez Man I regularly see jumping the lights would have told me to either "F%#k Off", "F@#$ing Mind your business" or offered to have a scrap with Me. What a Nice Gentleman He is.
  • Gallywomack
    Gallywomack Posts: 823
    inbike wrote:
    40km commute in this morning and didn't see another bike until Bromley.

    Glad Hogtrough isn't on my regular commute. That's not a good way to warm up.

    The bluebells should be out in force on the more gentle top section at least, as long as you haven't developed hypoxia-induced tunnel vision by then...

    The only thing worse than going up Hogtrough is coming down it!

    That's a decent commute, I live in Bromley and occasionally have a pang of guilt when I SCR with people that I subsequently discover (through Strava fly-by) have ridden in from beyond the North Downs.
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  • Gallywomack
    Gallywomack Posts: 823
    Wolfsbane2k wrote:
    cj504 wrote:
    ...

    Interesting situation. Looks like the cyclist had pulled over to let the fire engine past, but before it had overtaken fully, the cyclist had started moving again, meaning they never got to see the back of the vehicle, and its' indicators.

    I physically can't see any indicators on the cyclist's side of the vehicle flashing yellow as it's performing the turn.

    From the cyclists' point of view , without being able to see any indicators, the fire engine is then moving into the right hand lane, potentially to go straight ahead, or turn right, and therefore it's clear to go ahead - notice that the motorcyclist thinks this as well ( they begin to accelerate when the fireengine swings right, then slams on the brakes as they start to pull left - but he can see the back of the FE, and therefore it's indicators)

    In this instance, formally, it's both in the wrong - but not sure on proportionality between FE driver and the cyclist.

    I could see any other road user making the same mistake if they haven't dropped far enough back to see the indicator, and couldn't say I wouldn't end up in the same boat - I'd like to think not, but...

    Agreed, it's clear the cyclist completely misreads the fire engine's intentions, and he's got his head down and accelerating - it's definitely a black mark against him for awareness and circumspection (especially given an emergency vehicle in play) but I'd call that an honest mistake rather than wilful chopperdom.

    Staying well clear of the comments on that vid!
    Pompino
  • wolfsbane2k
    wolfsbane2k Posts: 3,056
    Gallywomack wrote:
    Agreed, it's clear the cyclist completely misreads the fire engine's intentions, and he's got his head down and accelerating - it's definitely a black mark against him for awareness and circumspection (especially given an emergency vehicle in play) but I'd call that an honest mistake rather than wilful chopperdom.

    Staying well clear of the comments on that vid!

    Yeah - I originally wrote all that into the YT comments, but decided it was too nuanced for that.
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  • cjcp
    cjcp Posts: 13,345
    Gallywomack wrote:
    inbike wrote:
    40km commute in this morning and didn't see another bike until Bromley.

    Glad Hogtrough isn't on my regular commute. That's not a good way to warm up.

    The bluebells should be out in force on the more gentle top section at least, as long as you haven't developed hypoxia-induced tunnel vision by then...

    The only thing worse than going up Hogtrough is coming down it!

    That's a decent commute, I live in Bromley and occasionally have a pang of guilt when I SCR with people that I subsequently discover (through Strava fly-by) have ridden in from beyond the North Downs.

    That's a very decent commute coming in from there. I found riding out there last summer much lumpier than heading SW - it was much harder work. The average speed was quite a bit lower on the route I took, but I got as far as Sevenoaks station and thought "Stuff this. Where's the train station?"
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    cjcp wrote:
    I think I'm finally going to buy a GoPro or something for the commute.

    Tonight's journey home:

    There's a Prius (I'm guessing a private taxi) that's been T-boned by a black cab on the westbound carriageway outside the Tower of London. Air bag deployed, emergency services just arriving, fire engine coming up the bike lane. The angle of the Prius suggests it may have been attempting a u-turn.

    100 yards later, a car attempts to pull across the bike lane, when it's a red light for him, and a green light for bikes. He expresses his displeasure at us not letting him go first.

    Up Priory Lane, a bloke does a close pass. I point this out, he hears, he slows, we have a frank exchange of views about what he just did, how we're allowed to ride on the road, how the "bike lane" he points to is actually the pavement and we're not allowed to ride on that (the pavement after the shared bike lane section). He ends up suggesting I make sure I "get home safely".

    Bottom of Priory Lane, about 300 yards later: another Prius is doing a three point turn around the small roundabout because he doesn't have the slightest f*@king clue what he's doing or where he's going.

    And last Friday morning, an Ocado van cuts me up on the approach to the (red) lights by the URR / Roehampton Lane junction, heading into town. I had to jam on the brakes to avoid unwanted squashiness. I offer some thoughts on the standard of his driving; he says he did nothing wrong. Bewildering.

    Anyone got any thoughts on brands other than GoPro?

    Careful out there, folks.

    Last night had something similar to this. Empty Priory Lane, me doing 20mph in a 20mph zone. Man driving a car comes from behind, fairly safely overtaking manoeuvre, and then when alongside, starts pointing at the cycle path shared with pedestrians on the other side of the road. I point at the speed limit sign.

    Then starts shouting that I should be in the cycle lane - by this point it isn't a cycle lane, so I say "it's a footpath". He sounds like he's literally about to explode as he calls me an effing w, an effing c, and pulls in front of me, slows to almost a stop, and tells me to pull in. I assume so we can have a fight.

    Obviously I don't want to be anywhere near him, and especially not on the road in front of him. Went on the pavement, trying to keep a lamppost between me and his car. He turned left and went about his day no doubt convinced that I'd done something wrong. I truly don't understand.

    What the hell do you do? I feel very vulnerable on a bike when someone seems like they want to injure me.

    I also am considering getting a camera.
  • drhaggis
    drhaggis Posts: 1,150
    @KingstonGraham,

    A similar event is what convinced me to commute with a camera. It won't do much as preventive protection, but if I can at least get some evidence that may help get these folks out of the road, then it's worth it.
  • -Dash
    -Dash Posts: 179
    The stories of Priory Lane cycle lane pointers reminds me of this gem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fkCmnUHZrw
  • mamil314
    mamil314 Posts: 1,103
    It will not be long before all vehicles have mandatory cameras, have biometric startup and are tracked live. That's before all traffic being controlled by a single Municipal AI. We just have to endure until then.
  • asprilla
    asprilla Posts: 8,440
    mamil314 wrote:
    It will not be long before all vehicles have mandatory cameras, have biometric startup and are tracked live. That's before all traffic being controlled by a single Municipal AI. We just have to endure until then.

    Be careful what you wish for. Motor vehicles become automated they will move quicker and be predictable to each other. As a result you wont need such things as traffic lights or junctions as we know them.

    So, where does that leave other road users? Certainly not on the road, in the interests of efficiency.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    DrHaggis wrote:
    @KingstonGraham,

    A similar event is what convinced me to commute with a camera. It won't do much as preventive protection, but if I can at least get some evidence that may help get these folks out of the road, then it's worth it.

    I feel like I only need it for Priory Lane. The sooner they do something with that road the better. Anything.
  • tgotb
    tgotb Posts: 4,714
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    I feel like I only need it for Priory Lane. The sooner they do something with that road the better. Anything.
    Average speed cameras in both directions would do it for me.
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  • cjcp
    cjcp Posts: 13,345
    Priory Lane seems to bring out the worst in drivers; it can turn them into really angry little box trolls.

    It's a 20mph zone, not the Hangar effin' Straight.

    Speed cameras are badly needed, but I wouldn't object to some traffic cameras along there either.
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    "It stays down, Daddy."
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    On the positive side - this is what I call a cycle lane:

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  • tgotb
    tgotb Posts: 4,714
    cjcp wrote:
    Priory Lane seems to bring out the worst in drivers; it can turn them into really angry little box trolls.
    Eh? Boxtrolls are cute.
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  • dekant
    dekant Posts: 114
    Not really had time to frequent here recently due to a new job, however I felt compelled to log on as it looks like the light sequencing has changed again and The Clapham Sex Panther is back! Woohoo!

    https://goo.gl/maps/Y18HMioEMhqarvBa7
  • mtb-idle
    mtb-idle Posts: 2,179
    dekant wrote:
    Not really had time to frequent here recently due to a new job, however I felt compelled to log on as it looks like the light sequencing has changed again and The Clapham Sex Panther is back! Woohoo!

    https://goo.gl/maps/Y18HMioEMhqarvBa7

    yip, used it last week
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  • cjcp
    cjcp Posts: 13,345
    TGOTB wrote:
    cjcp wrote:
    Priory Lane seems to bring out the worst in drivers; it can turn them into really angry little box trolls.
    Eh? Boxtrolls are cute.

    Not really angry ones. Very dangerous things.
    FCN 2-4.

    "What happens when the hammer goes down, kids?"
    "It stays down, Daddy."
    "Exactly."
  • drhaggis
    drhaggis Posts: 1,150
    So the commute after mentioning dangers and cameras, I almost got wiped out by an eejit on a VW Beetle (EP03 K**, and I know the rest) that jumped a red light in TollX, quite a busy junction in Edinburgh. The eejit didn't even brake.
  • sgt.pepper
    sgt.pepper Posts: 300
    Some colleagues have shown me some different routes, can now do a good third of my commute completely separated from cars. Slower, but the reduction in stress and fumes is worth it. Only somewhat downside is grinding up a brutal incline on a heavy ten speed with not quite enough gears, probably down to about 20-30rpm.

    SCR wise, it's been a slow recovery from a slipped disc. Did have a good one the other day with a guy on a steel frame with flat handlebars who sat behind while I raced 3 standard roadies, before making his move up the main climb. Lasted a good 6 miles, not a word said. Got the drop on him in the last 2 miles but didn't realise he'd fell off - was at my absolute limit and could barely stand afterwards. Huge fun though.
  • london-red
    london-red Posts: 1,266
    Where the hell was everybody? Am I missing something?
  • rhodrich
    rhodrich Posts: 867
    London-Red wrote:
    Where the hell was everybody? Am I missing something?

    It's a Friday, and rain is forecast: part timers have melted away.

    They'll be back on Tuesday, if the weather's nice.
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  • itboffin
    itboffin Posts: 20,064
    London-Red wrote:
    Where the hell was everybody? Am I missing something?

    Long bank holiday weekend matey
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  • london-red
    london-red Posts: 1,266
    Sure, but even so. I was expecting zombies to appear at one point.
  • asprilla
    asprilla Posts: 8,440
    London-Red wrote:
    Sure, but even so. I was expecting zombies to appear at one point.

    I was doing a reasonable impression of one.
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  • london-red
    london-red Posts: 1,266
    Asprilla wrote:
    London-Red wrote:
    Sure, but even so. I was expecting zombies to appear at one point.

    I was doing a reasonable impression of one.

    :lol: You're not the only one. I blame Friday.

    In other news, saw a chap on a nice carbon Rondo gravel bike yesterday morning. Lovely looking thing... I nearly went for the alloy version of it before opting for the cheaper NS.
  • mtb-idle
    mtb-idle Posts: 2,179
    Did anyone see this incident on Twitter/social media?

    It's shocking not only in terms of the incident itself but the fact that the po po didn't even bother to get the CCTV footage. The victim had to do it himself once he dragged himself from his hospital bed and also they haven't even bothered apprehending the 'suspect' either.

    Seriously, they DGAF about your lives.
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  • smokey_bacon
    smokey_bacon Posts: 1,639
    MTB-Idle wrote:
    Did anyone see this incident on Twitter/social media?

    It's shocking not only in terms of the incident itself but the fact that the po po didn't even bother to get the CCTV footage. The victim had to do it himself once he dragged himself from his hospital bed and also they haven't even bothered apprehending the 'suspect' either.

    Seriously, they DGAF about your lives.

    Yeah I did. The casual nature in driving away is scary!
  • elbowloh
    elbowloh Posts: 7,078
    Smokey Bacon wrote:
    MTB-Idle wrote:
    Did anyone see this incident on Twitter/social media?

    It's shocking not only in terms of the incident itself but the fact that the po po didn't even bother to get the CCTV footage. The victim had to do it himself once he dragged himself from his hospital bed and also they haven't even bothered apprehending the 'suspect' either.

    Seriously, they DGAF about your lives.

    Yeah I did. The casual nature in driving away is scary!
    The failure of the police to, seemingly, have done fuck all about it is just as shocking.
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