Red means STOP

gtvlusso

Hi Spen666 - I used to work for South Wales Police as a systems engineer and, as such, have allot of officer friends - so I will answer this as stated to me when I argued the toss with them!

Anything you do on a pushbike in contravention of road law is punishable on your driving licence, motorbike licence or whatever if you have, if you have one (from an officer) or by fine if you don't hold a licence - Hence a civil matter if it is a fine (it would become a criminal matter if you did not pay the fine!). Criminal matters would only be referred to a court if the offence demed it necessary (i.e. your actions caused a death on the road!) - that would be criminal. Being drunk in charge of a bicycle will affect your driving licence if you have one.......I think it is nuts too, but thats what I was told!

An example of such is the guy who was done for "furious" cycling after an accident on a pedestrian crossing and punished by losing his driving licence for 2 weeks - That was in Cambridge....apparently - This maybe Police folklore...but they all seem to know this!

The law on red lights states that simply if you contravene a red light as a road user you are contravening the law - does not specify by what medium you have to contravene it (car, motorbike, bicycle, bus, lorry, light aircraft, squirrel!)

It would be very unlikely to be caught though.....

gtvlusso

Driving licence endorsements are civil not criminal.....Hence you don't have to report them at a job interview or a visa application.

gtvlusso

My typing is not what is used to be either....just re-read above!

If you have a driving licence - it can be endorsed as a road user (does not matter whether you are in a car, on a motorbike on a bicycle or whatever).

if you don't have a driving licence - you would get a fine (maybe points if you have a provisional licence or delayed points if you intended applying for a licence soon or an immigrant with a licence from another country)

If your incident was a serious enough offence (in the eyes of the officer) - you could be prosecuted (it then becomes a crminal matter as does not paying fines!). Again, your licence could be affected or you could suffer other restrictions in freedom - probably finacial!

Hence, it is a bit risky jumping the lights, but I still do it.

Any Police officers in this forum care to comment?! be interesting to see if you would be bothered by it - I have seen a cyclist stoppoed by the Police before now - not sure what for though.

ransos

gtvlusso wrote:

Whoa Ransos, you're quite angry! I think it is a little arrogant to say that I (and some of the other out there) are simply wrong - we made an unlawful choice agreed, but as above, people break the law everyday without realising it!

My personal "hate" although I don't get upset about it is cyclists who cannot look over there shoulder when manouvering on roads - you know, changing lane or cutting in. I have had more near misses from people doing that than anything else - Mirror, signal manouvre in the highway code (alright, no mirrors on a bike, but you can move your head!).

In essence, it is a very small point on urban cycling - there is still people that will only ride on the pavement, without lights, don't look when making road manouvres or cut lanes on round-a-bouts or cycle with complete dis-regard for any other road user or pedestrian - pure aggresssion and are abusive. There will always be people who do these things and get used to it - because they feel safer and more relaxed and in more control. These don't help us as a group either.....Everyone has a different view of how to cope - I found my way.

Is that the best you can do? Justify RLJing because there are other types of bad cycling and law-breaking?

The law says red means stop. If you choose to not stop then you are in the wrong, accusations of arrogance are totally irrelevant.

You say you have "found a way to cope". Buy a copy of Cyclecraft - it tells you how to cope within the law.

ransos

gtvlusso wrote:

My typing is not what is used to be either....just re-read above!

If you have a driving licence - it can be endorsed as a road user (does not matter whether you are in a car, on a motorbike on a bicycle or whatever).

if you don't have a driving licence - you would get a fine (maybe points if you have a provisional licence or delayed points if you intended applying for a licence soon or an immigrant with a licence from another country)

If your incident was a serious enough offence (in the eyes of the officer) - you could be prosecuted (it then becomes a crminal matter as does not paying fines!). Again, your licence could be affected or you could suffer other restrictions in freedom - probably finacial!

Hence, it is a bit risky jumping the lights, but I still do it.

Any Police officers in this forum care to comment?! be interesting to see if you would be bothered by it - I have seen a cyclist stoppoed by the Police before now - not sure what for though.

This is completely wrong. Under law a bicycle is a "carriage" and not a "vehicle" and so your driving licence CANNOT be endorsed for cycling offences.

More detail here: http://www.bikeforall.net/content/cycling_and_the_law.php

gtvlusso

Hi Ransos - my point was, does it really matter - in the grand scheme of uk cycling (some bad for many reason, some good) and the overcrowding on roads?

ransos

gtvlusso wrote:

Hi Ransos - my point was, does it really matter - in the grand scheme of uk cycling (some bad for many reason, some good) and the overcrowding on roads?

I think it does. It's the number one complaint from pedestrians and motorists, so all of us are tarnished by the accusations of the inconsiderate minority.

spen666

gtvlusso wrote:

Driving licence endorsements are civil not criminal.....Hence you don't have to report them at a job interview or a visa application.

What complete cr*p


An endorsement on a driving licence is part of the sentence for a CRIMINAL offence.

You clearly know nothing about the law- either criminal or civil, so please stop misleading others with your irresponsible and wrong drivel

spen666

gtvlusso wrote:

My typing is not what is used to be either....just re-read above!

If you have a driving licence - it can be endorsed as a road user (does not matter whether you are in a car, on a motorbike on a bicycle or whatever).

if you don't have a driving licence - you would get a fine (maybe points if you have a provisional licence or delayed points if you intended applying for a licence soon or an immigrant with a licence from another country)

If your incident was a serious enough offence (in the eyes of the officer) - you could be prosecuted (it then becomes a crminal matter as does not paying fines!). Again, your licence could be affected or you could suffer other restrictions in freedom - probably finacial!

Hence, it is a bit risky jumping the lights, but I still do it.

Any Police officers in this forum care to comment?! be interesting to see if you would be bothered by it - I have seen a cyclist stoppoed by the Police before now - not sure what for though.

Never mind police officers- some of us have experience in 4 decades of prosecuting and defending criminal cases and still are.

You are wrong on each and every point: -

1. An endorsement on a driving licence can only be imposed AFTER a criminal court has convicted someone of a criminal offence
2. A cyclist cannot have their driving licence endorsed for a criminal offence
3. There is no such thing as "delayed points" on your driving licence. Points take effect from the day the court pass sentence. This applies whether someone holds a licence or not.
4. You cannot get points on your driving licence without a prosecution ( a fixed penalty ticket that you accept and pay is treated as a conviction of a criminal offence after a prosecution)
5. Red light jumping is a criminal offence ( no ifs or buts)

gtvlusso

Hmm - I would like to see a stat on what annoys people most about cyclists. I think it would be pretty much everything!

I think the website you mention is exploiting a loophole (carraige, vehicle - same thing really) - which is good! However, it would be interesting to get the view of a copper - my friends say they would issue a notice and fine or endorse as appropriate - then again, that is only the view of one UK force and a load of bolshy coppers that got drunk at my wedding.....Hence my interest in this forum. I have heard of people being endorsed being drunk in control of a bicycle - there was one a few months ago in Bristol (a student! would you believe!) - maybe the definition of carraige needs defining or is simply irrelevent in this day and age. certainly an interesting point though - perhaps another forum?! I would not like to test the "carraige" thing in court though......although I still run red every now and again.

generally I am polite and observant, even courteous.....one faux pas surely can be forgiven.

Interesting statement from the website:
The police can prosecute cyclists who ride dangerously, carelessly, ignore traffic signs or signals, cycle on the pavement or commit any other road traffic offence. These offences carry maximum fines between £500 and £2,500. Also, £30 fixed penalty notices can be issued for cycling on the pavement, by police and community wardens.

Fixed Penalty Notice can be a licence endorsement - with a fine. I guess that running red would be considered dangerous riding.....maybe officers discretion. My friends certainly suggested a licence holder would get an endorsement.....

spen666

gtvlusso wrote:

Hmm - I would like to see a stat on what annoys people most about cyclists. I think it would be pretty much everything!

Stupid thick people like yourself who repeatedly spout crap despite being told by those who are practitioners of the law that you are wrong. Instead you spout the sh*te your "mate" tells you

I ....
Interesting statement from the website:
The police can prosecute cyclists who ride dangerously, carelessly, ignore traffic signs or signals, cycle on the pavement or commit any other road traffic offence. These offences carry maximum fines between £500 and £2,500. Also, £30 fixed penalty notices can be issued for cycling on the pavement, by police and community wardens.

Fixed Penalty Notice can be a licence endorsement - with a fine. I guess that running red would be considered dangerous riding.....maybe officers discretion. My friends certainly suggested a licence holder would get an endorsement.....

Well goes to prove that your friends are as stupid as you are then.

How many times do you have to be told that you CANNOT have a driving licence endorsed for a cycling offence

iainment

spen666 wrote:

gtvlusso wrote:

Hmm - I would like to see a stat on what annoys people most about cyclists. I think it would be pretty much everything!

Stupid thick people like yourself who repeatedly spout crap despite being told by those who are practitioners of the law that you are wrong. Instead you spout the sh*te your "mate" tells you

I ....
Interesting statement from the website:
The police can prosecute cyclists who ride dangerously, carelessly, ignore traffic signs or signals, cycle on the pavement or commit any other road traffic offence. These offences carry maximum fines between £500 and £2,500. Also, £30 fixed penalty notices can be issued for cycling on the pavement, by police and community wardens.

Fixed Penalty Notice can be a licence endorsement - with a fine. I guess that running red would be considered dangerous riding.....maybe officers discretion. My friends certainly suggested a licence holder would get an endorsement.....

Well goes to prove that your friends are as stupid as you are then.

How many times do you have to be told that you CANNOT have a driving licence endorsed for a cycling offence

Good to see reasoned debate being used to try to change someone's mind. It's just like being in court, if the tv is anything to go by.

:twisted:

spen666

gtvlusso wrote:

.... maybe the definition of carraige needs defining or is simply irrelevent in this day and age. ......

maybe, you ought to listen to people who know the law?

Maybe you ought to try reading up the law instead of listening to know nothing drunk plods whose knowledge of the finer points of the law relating to cycling is little above nil

Maybe if you looked up the law- or even engaged your brain you would realise:
1) the definition of a carriage is relevant as the law relates to carriages ( and other descriptions).
2) a carriage is more than sufficiently defined for all but the most stupid people ( or exceptional circumstances - eg novel devices)

gtvlusso

You really need to get laid spen666 (preferably with a human).

Anyhow - so I am looking wrong in law, but I was under the impression that you could be done on your licence........ Maybe I will run more red lights and cycle furiosly everywhere then....stuff it! Then say "spen666" said it was okay....

Just proves that the Police are worth arguing with...

A man admits fault, a boy acts the tw*t.

spen666

gtvlusso wrote:

You really need to get laid spen666 (preferably with a human).

Anyhow - so I am looking wrong in law, but I was under the impression that you could be done on your licence........ Maybe I will run more red lights and cycle furiosly everywhere then....stuff it! Then say "spen666" said it was okay....

Just proves that the Police are worth arguing with...

A man admits fault, a boy acts the tw*t.

You really are acting a tw*t...

Go ahead and commit crimes if you are a criminal just don't complain when another criminal burgles your home, or knocks you off your bike. I mean if its ok to commit crimes ,then its ok for them as well eh?

iainment

spen666 wrote:

gtvlusso wrote:

You really need to get laid spen666 (preferably with a human).

Anyhow - so I am looking wrong in law, but I was under the impression that you could be done on your licence........ Maybe I will run more red lights and cycle furiosly everywhere then....stuff it! Then say "spen666" said it was okay....

Just proves that the Police are worth arguing with...

A man admits fault, a boy acts the tw*t.

You really are acting a tw*t...

Go ahead and commit crimes if you are a criminal just don't complain when another criminal burgles your home, or knocks you off your bike. I mean if its ok to commit crimes ,then its ok for them as well eh?

They're not really comparable though are they?
BTW I think youi need to calm down a bit - it's not that big a deal really that other people jump the occasional red light.

:twisted:

gtvlusso

Some mothers do 'ave em.....

You walk your side of the street and i'll walk mine - I'll kick your man t*ts off if you cross over though ;-)

Best go and cycle all that frustration off....

spen666

iainment wrote:

They're not really comparable though are they?
BTW I think youi need to calm down a bit - it's not that big a deal really that other people jump the occasional red light.

:twisted:

No,- they are not comparable are they - you are right

I mean one is acriminal offence that has an impact on others.


Whereas the others are criminal offences that have an impact on others.


Clearly no comparison there then

spen666

gtvlusso wrote:

Some mothers do 'ave em.....

You walk your side of the street and i'll walk mine - I'll kick your man t*ts off if you cross over though ;-)

Best go and cycle all that frustration off....

The frustration would disappear quickly if you stop deliberately misleading people about something you clearly know nothing about

iainment

spen666 wrote:

iainment wrote:

They're not really comparable though are they?
BTW I think youi need to calm down a bit - it's not that big a deal really that other people jump the occasional red light.

:twisted:

No,- they are not comparable are they - you are right

I mean one is acriminal offence that has an impact on others.


Whereas the others are criminal offences that have an impact on others.


Clearly no comparison there then

Blimey you are a little ball of ire aren't you. If you can't see the difference and only see things as black or white you will never reach happiness and will always be frustrated that not everyone can reach your standards of perfection.

I know it's childish but people like you make me want to break the rules just to see you get angry.

Even though you are right to say that RLJ is illegal, even though I know I might get pulled by the police and even if my actions mean that cyclists are denigrated by motorists (although I think this is debatable) your attitude would never persuade me to change my mind over my actions. You come across as a little control freak using these forums (fora?) to get some sort of self esteem.

:twisted:


Chill out my friend,

spen666

iainment wrote:

spen666 wrote:

iainment wrote:

They're not really comparable though are they?
BTW I think youi need to calm down a bit - it's not that big a deal really that other people jump the occasional red light.

:twisted:

No,- they are not comparable are they - you are right

I mean one is acriminal offence that has an impact on others.


Whereas the others are criminal offences that have an impact on others.


Clearly no comparison there then

Blimey you are a little ball of ire aren't you. If you can't see the difference and only see things as black or white you will never reach happiness and will always be frustrated that not everyone can reach your standards of perfection.

I know it's childish but people like you make me want to break the rules just to see you get angry.

Even though you are right to say that RLJ is illegal, even though I know I might get pulled by the police and even if my actions mean that cyclists are denigrated by motorists (although I think this is debatable) your attitude would never persuade me to change my mind over my actions. You come across as a little control freak using these forums (fora?) to get some sort of self esteem.

:twisted:


Chill out my friend,

So one of them is not a criminal offence that impacts on others then?



Or is it just that you can't accept you are committing a crime.

ransos

iainment wrote:

spen666 wrote:

iainment wrote:

They're not really comparable though are they?
BTW I think youi need to calm down a bit - it's not that big a deal really that other people jump the occasional red light.

:twisted:

No,- they are not comparable are they - you are right

I mean one is acriminal offence that has an impact on others.


Whereas the others are criminal offences that have an impact on others.


Clearly no comparison there then

Blimey you are a little ball of ire aren't you. If you can't see the difference and only see things as black or white you will never reach happiness and will always be frustrated that not everyone can reach your standards of perfection.

I know it's childish but people like you make me want to break the rules just to see you get angry.

Even though you are right to say that RLJ is illegal, even though I know I might get pulled by the police and even if my actions mean that cyclists are denigrated by motorists (although I think this is debatable) your attitude would never persuade me to change my mind over my actions. You come across as a little control freak using these forums (fora?) to get some sort of self esteem.

:twisted:


Chill out my friend,

Let's be honest, there's no prospect of you changing your mind on this one because it's clear that selfishness is your only priority. A shame then that you use such pathetic reasoning to justify your actions.

iainment

spen666 wrote:

iainment wrote:

spen666 wrote:

iainment wrote:

They're not really comparable though are they?
BTW I think youi need to calm down a bit - it's not that big a deal really that other people jump the occasional red light.

:twisted:

No,- they are not comparable are they - you are right

I mean one is acriminal offence that has an impact on others.


Whereas the others are criminal offences that have an impact on others.


Clearly no comparison there then

Blimey you are a little ball of ire aren't you. If you can't see the difference and only see things as black or white you will never reach happiness and will always be frustrated that not everyone can reach your standards of perfection.

I know it's childish but people like you make me want to break the rules just to see you get angry.

Even though you are right to say that RLJ is illegal, even though I know I might get pulled by the police and even if my actions mean that cyclists are denigrated by motorists (although I think this is debatable) your attitude would never persuade me to change my mind over my actions. You come across as a little control freak using these forums (fora?) to get some sort of self esteem.

:twisted:


Chill out my friend,

So one of them is not a criminal offence that impacts on others then?



Or is it just that you can't accept you are committing a crime.

Read my posts - I have accepted that RLJ is a crime. It won't stop me doing it though.

iainment

ransos wrote:

iainment wrote:

spen666 wrote:

iainment wrote:

They're not really comparable though are they?
BTW I think youi need to calm down a bit - it's not that big a deal really that other people jump the occasional red light.

:twisted:

No,- they are not comparable are they - you are right

I mean one is acriminal offence that has an impact on others.


Whereas the others are criminal offences that have an impact on others.


Clearly no comparison there then

Blimey you are a little ball of ire aren't you. If you can't see the difference and only see things as black or white you will never reach happiness and will always be frustrated that not everyone can reach your standards of perfection.

I know it's childish but people like you make me want to break the rules just to see you get angry.

Even though you are right to say that RLJ is illegal, even though I know I might get pulled by the police and even if my actions mean that cyclists are denigrated by motorists (although I think this is debatable) your attitude would never persuade me to change my mind over my actions. You come across as a little control freak using these forums (fora?) to get some sort of self esteem.

:twisted:


Chill out my friend,

Let's be honest, there's no prospect of you changing your mind on this one because it's clear that selfishness is your only priority. A shame then that you use such pathetic reasoning to justify your actions.

I don't agree that my actions are selfish, but I will jump a red if the way is clear and there is no danger to me or other road users.
I certailnly don't agree that if all cyclists obeyed all road rules/laws that motorists would have any higher opinion of cyclists.
On my commute I daily see all types of vehicles RLJing, and committing a variety of other traffic offences, why is cyclists RLJing picked out by other cyclists as the most important issue? Why is it that when people post on here about causing criminal damage to vehicles or assaulting (or fantasizing) about assaulting motorists there is so little reaction.

spen666

iainment wrote:

I don't agree that my actions are selfish, but I will jump a red if the way is clear and there is no danger to me or other road users.
I certailnly don't agree that if all cyclists obeyed all road rules/laws that motorists would have any higher opinion of cyclists.
On my commute I daily see all types of vehicles RLJing, and committing a variety of other traffic offences, why is cyclists RLJing picked out by other cyclists as the most important issue? Why is it that when people post on here about causing criminal damage to vehicles or assaulting (or fantasizing) about assaulting motorists there is so little reaction.

You seem to be getting paranoid now. (its probably as a result of your criminal activity). No one has said it is the most important issue.


It is a pretty pathetic argument to justify your crimes to say that others commit "more serious" crimes. Am I justified to burgle your house on the basis people commit more serious crimes like murder so my burgling your house doesn't matter?

ellieb

The reason that other cyclists see red light jumping as an issue is that we ALL get tarred with the same brush. I fully accept that it may not be that dangerous in itself & that on a daily basis other road users are at least as bad in terms of complying with the law. However I for one get thoroughly p*ssed off when some idiot who has nearly caused an accident with me gives me the attitude that it doesn't matter because all cyclists are acting like outlaws anyway. It may be unfair that cyclists misdemeanors are given undue prominence, but if you didn't do it in the first place then that attitude wouldn't arise. Read any news report about cycling and see the comments which follow by non-cyclists. We are unpopular & part of the reason is the behavior of the idiots who have posted on this thread. So.. yes you are breaking the law, yes it is wrong and yes you are being selfish... why the surprise that other cyclists are unimpressed by your actions?

iainment

spen666 wrote:

iainment wrote:

I don't agree that my actions are selfish, but I will jump a red if the way is clear and there is no danger to me or other road users.
I certailnly don't agree that if all cyclists obeyed all road rules/laws that motorists would have any higher opinion of cyclists.
On my commute I daily see all types of vehicles RLJing, and committing a variety of other traffic offences, why is cyclists RLJing picked out by other cyclists as the most important issue? Why is it that when people post on here about causing criminal damage to vehicles or assaulting (or fantasizing) about assaulting motorists there is so little reaction.

You seem to be getting paranoid now. (its probably as a result of your criminal activity). No one has said it is the most important issue.


It is a pretty pathetic argument to justify your crimes to say that others commit "more serious" crimes. Am I justified to burgle your house on the basis people commit more serious crimes like murder so my burgling your house doesn't matter?

If you're going to quote me at least quote accurately.
We'll never agree on this one I expect but you do conflate things that are not really comparable when you compare theft with a traffic offence.
Still no response about cyclists threatening motorists or causing criminal damage though, and I would have thought that these actions are more heinous than RLJing but hey ho.

:twisted:

spen666

iainment wrote:

spen666 wrote:

iainment wrote:

I don't agree that my actions are selfish, but I will jump a red if the way is clear and there is no danger to me or other road users.
I certailnly don't agree that if all cyclists obeyed all road rules/laws that motorists would have any higher opinion of cyclists.
On my commute I daily see all types of vehicles RLJing, and committing a variety of other traffic offences, why is cyclists RLJing picked out by other cyclists as the most important issue? Why is it that when people post on here about causing criminal damage to vehicles or assaulting (or fantasizing) about assaulting motorists there is so little reaction.

You seem to be getting paranoid now. (its probably as a result of your criminal activity). No one has said it is the most important issue.


It is a pretty pathetic argument to justify your crimes to say that others commit "more serious" crimes. Am I justified to burgle your house on the basis people commit more serious crimes like murder so my burgling your house doesn't matter?

If you're going to quote me at least quote accurately.
We'll never agree on this one I expect but you do conflate things that are not really comparable when you compare theft with a traffic offence.
Still no response about cyclists threatening motorists or causing criminal damage though, and I would have thought that these actions are more heinous than RLJing but hey ho.

:twisted:

Erm actually I did quote you correctly.

It seems that you cannot understand the difference between a quote and an interpretation. The quote from you is clearly labelled as a quote and is taken without any ammendment from what you previously posted


You are the one trying to distinguish a crime from a crime

iainment

spen666 wrote:

iainment wrote:

spen666 wrote:

iainment wrote:

I don't agree that my actions are selfish, but I will jump a red if the way is clear and there is no danger to me or other road users.
I certailnly don't agree that if all cyclists obeyed all road rules/laws that motorists would have any higher opinion of cyclists.
On my commute I daily see all types of vehicles RLJing, and committing a variety of other traffic offences, why is cyclists RLJing picked out by other cyclists as the most important issue? Why is it that when people post on here about causing criminal damage to vehicles or assaulting (or fantasizing) about assaulting motorists there is so little reaction.

You seem to be getting paranoid now. (its probably as a result of your criminal activity). No one has said it is the most important issue.


It is a pretty pathetic argument to justify your crimes to say that others commit "more serious" crimes. Am I justified to burgle your house on the basis people commit more serious crimes like murder so my burgling your house doesn't matter?

If you're going to quote me at least quote accurately.
We'll never agree on this one I expect but you do conflate things that are not really comparable when you compare theft with a traffic offence.
Still no response about cyclists threatening motorists or causing criminal damage though, and I would have thought that these actions are more heinous than RLJing but hey ho.

:twisted:

.

Erm actually I did quote you correctly.

It seems that you cannot understand the difference between a quote and an interpretation. The quote from you is clearly labelled as a quote and is taken without any ammendment from what you previously posted


You are the one trying to distinguish a crime from a crime

That's the bit I meant

:twisted:

ransos

iainment wrote:

ransos wrote:

iainment wrote:

spen666 wrote:

iainment wrote:

They're not really comparable though are they?
BTW I think youi need to calm down a bit - it's not that big a deal really that other people jump the occasional red light.

:twisted:

No,- they are not comparable are they - you are right

I mean one is acriminal offence that has an impact on others.


Whereas the others are criminal offences that have an impact on others.


Clearly no comparison there then

Blimey you are a little ball of ire aren't you. If you can't see the difference and only see things as black or white you will never reach happiness and will always be frustrated that not everyone can reach your standards of perfection.

I know it's childish but people like you make me want to break the rules just to see you get angry.

Even though you are right to say that RLJ is illegal, even though I know I might get pulled by the police and even if my actions mean that cyclists are denigrated by motorists (although I think this is debatable) your attitude would never persuade me to change my mind over my actions. You come across as a little control freak using these forums (fora?) to get some sort of self esteem.

:twisted:


Chill out my friend,

Let's be honest, there's no prospect of you changing your mind on this one because it's clear that selfishness is your only priority. A shame then that you use such pathetic reasoning to justify your actions.

I don't agree that my actions are selfish, but I will jump a red if the way is clear and there is no danger to me or other road users.
I certailnly don't agree that if all cyclists obeyed all road rules/laws that motorists would have any higher opinion of cyclists.
On my commute I daily see all types of vehicles RLJing, and committing a variety of other traffic offences, why is cyclists RLJing picked out by other cyclists as the most important issue? Why is it that when people post on here about causing criminal damage to vehicles or assaulting (or fantasizing) about assaulting motorists there is so little reaction.

You're starting to sound like one of those drivers who thinks it's ok to speed, because they can judge when it's safe to do so.

Your actions are entirely selfish - there is no evidence that RLJing reduces risk to cyclists, and so the only possible reason you can have is to save a few precious seconds on your commute.

If cyclists were to better comply with traffic law, then we would be in a much stronger position to challenge motorists' perceptions of us.

I saw two cars jump the lights on my way to work this morning. In what way does their behaviour excuse your actions?