C+ forumers treated with contempt.

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  • Red Lemon
    Red Lemon Posts: 3,433
    Certain MBUK members have fought in wars...
    King Kikapu / Fire Mountain
  • Patrick Stevens
    Patrick Stevens Posts: 13,398
    blacksun wrote:
    Patrick - Do you honestly understand a word you're typing? How was I a protagonist? I was merely pointing out that your comment was so far off the mark. For an 'educated' person, I thought you'd be able to understand that.

    I didn't say you were. I described the entrenched attitudes of the groups who are at each other's throats and you assume that I agree with one side or other and simply come back with insults. I haven't personally insulted you. Why should you insult me?
  • Aunty Rubbish
    Aunty Rubbish Posts: 1,010
    Oh and Mr Lemon, extra credit for engaging with the content and not resorting to off the shelf personal insults the way nearly everyone else has... :roll:
  • blacksun
    blacksun Posts: 381
    Patrick Stevens wrote:
    I didn't say you were. I described the entrenched attitudes of the groups who are at each other's throats and you assume that I agree with one side or other and simply come back with insults. I haven't personally insulted you. Why should you insult me?

    Please feel free to quote my insult towards you, I wasn't aware I typed one.
    I am free of all prejudice. I hate everyone equally ~ W. C. Fields
  • john ponting
    john ponting Posts: 491
    Should we now be changing the quote from "during the war" (per Uncle Albert) to something along the lines of "during the 1939 to 1945 conflict" ?

    There are too many people younger than me who have had to fight wars since 1945. Oh if only ....
  • Aunty Rubbish
    Aunty Rubbish Posts: 1,010
    blacksun wrote:
    Patrick - Do you honestly understand a word you're typing?
    You've just implied that a solicitor is illiterate. I'd say that was pretty insulting. He'll have the Masons onto you... :shock:
  • blacksun
    blacksun Posts: 381
    Aunty Rubbish wrote:
    blacksun wrote:
    Patrick - Do you honestly understand a word you're typing?
    You've just implied that a solicitor is illiterate. I'd say that was pretty insulting. He'll have the Masons onto you... :shock:

    Oh my... ;)
    I am free of all prejudice. I hate everyone equally ~ W. C. Fields
  • Patrick Stevens
    Patrick Stevens Posts: 13,398
    Red Lemon wrote:
    Patrick Stevens wrote:
    The main difficulty is that there is a substantial cultural difference between the MTBers and the C+ roadies. My guess (and I'm not trying to make any particular point) is that the roadies are older and more highly educated than the MTBers with a high proportion of PhDs among the regular posters. There is a certain air of intellectual arrogance and contempt for those who can't debate a complex issue in a lucid way. As a result certain debates could be conducted at a very high standard. Flying Monkey,who is himself an academic, commented that the intellectual quality of a debate on religion and belief was higher than anything he'd ever come across in a university.

    I'm afraid that at the end of the day it comes down to certain snobberies. Many roadies see MTBers as a bunch of ill educated teenagers tearing up vulnerable habitats and the MTBers see the roadies as patronising and superior. Similar attitudes are shown in winter sports between skiers and snowboarders.
    Your post is very interesting, and I have a few points I'd like to make.

    Firstly, might as well state my background. I just finished a 4 year undergraduate master's degree in chemistry at a top 10 university and I'm starting my PhD in September. Where, I'm not going to say, because it makes me fairly easy to track down and kill :wink: I'm an MBUK regular, love a good argument and I'm not averse to a flame war.

    I could be wrong, but I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the majority of your PhD guys are in the humanities, where open debate about philosophy, history, religion or whatever is presumably far more common. I've met so many science PhDs now, and on the whole, they don't seem to be any "better" at debate than anyone else. Without wanting to ramble on, my point is that a PhD doesn't grant anyone the right to intellectual snobbery. At least when it comes to sciences, it means you spent a few years research a very specific topic and wrote a big ol' book. If you're "intelligent" with a PhD, you would have been intelligent without one.

    I can see why the MBUK lot look like a bunch of ill educated teenagers, but there's clearly a large degree of generalisation on the part of the roadies. Am I rude and bad tempered? Yes. Am I Ill educated? Not a chance. Anyone who thinks they can make any assumptions about me (or anyone else) as a person from a few posts on a message board is sadly mistaken.

    As a side point, I get the impression scientists are the lager louts of the academic community mrgreen:

    Thanks for that. It's nice that someone at least has grasped what I was writing about and is capable of responding in a rational and courteous manner. There was a thread on C+ on "Have you got a PhD?" It was a very long thread, but my recollection was that it was about two thirds science and one third humanities. I was unable to contribute because I don't have one. :oops:
  • Patrick Stevens
    Patrick Stevens Posts: 13,398
    blacksun wrote:
    Patrick Stevens wrote:
    I didn't say you were. I described the entrenched attitudes of the groups who are at each other's throats and you assume that I agree with one side or other and simply come back with insults. I haven't personally insulted you. Why should you insult me?

    Please feel free to quote my insult towards you, I wasn't aware I typed one.

    Well I was. It's this:

    Patrick - Do you honestly understand a word you're typing?
  • Eurostar
    Eurostar Posts: 1,806
    The squabbles in here are hilarious.

    I thought Patrick's comparison with skiers and boarders was very apt - hurling insults like 'gays on trays' and 'sticks of shame' at each other is such fun. For some reason when you do this on a forum with complete strangers it descends into ferocious tribalism. Perhaps eveyone could try smiling?
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  • blacksun
    blacksun Posts: 381
    Elaborate on how that was insulting please.
    I am free of all prejudice. I hate everyone equally ~ W. C. Fields
  • Jaded
    Jaded Posts: 6,663
    edited July 2007
    'You don't like MTBers?'

    'Fuck those little muddy bastards. They look like a town of deformed Hulk-wannabes that were suffocated and thrown into a silage pit'
  • blacksun
    blacksun Posts: 381
    Eurostar wrote:
    The squabbles in here are hilarious.

    I thought Patrick's comparison with skiers and boarders was very apt - hurling insults like 'gays on trays' and 'sticks of shame' at each other is such fun. For some reason when you do this on a forum with complete strangers it descends into ferocious tribalism. Perhaps eveyone could try smiling?

    :D
    I am free of all prejudice. I hate everyone equally ~ W. C. Fields
  • Jaded
    Jaded Posts: 6,663
    Gavin Weeks wrote:
    No1 has had their ability to post PM's removed.

    I am not a Number! I am a Free Man!
  • blacksun
    blacksun Posts: 381
    Jaded wrote:
    Gavin Weeks wrote:
    No1 has had their ability to post PM's removed.

    I am not a Number! I am a Free Man!

    At last, a roadie with a sense of humor =)
    I am free of all prejudice. I hate everyone equally ~ W. C. Fields
  • blacksun
    blacksun Posts: 381
    Jaded wrote:
    'You don't like MTBers?'

    'Fuck those little muddy bastards. They look like a town of deformed Hulk-wannabes that were suffocated and thrown into a silage pit'

    That's better, don't forget the html ;)
    I am free of all prejudice. I hate everyone equally ~ W. C. Fields
  • Patrick Stevens
    Patrick Stevens Posts: 13,398
    blacksun wrote:
    Elaborate on how that was insulting please.

    It implies that I'm illiterate. The point is that I've not insulted you, but you've decided to insult me. It only serves to reinforce prejudices that some groups of cyclists are incapable of behaving with common courtesy. Just try being polite. It helps.
  • mmm_pie
    mmm_pie Posts: 1,934
    Patrick Stevens wrote:
    blacksun wrote:
    Elaborate on how that was insulting please.

    It implies that I'm illiterate. The point is that I've not insulted you, but you've decided to insult me. It only serves to reinforce prejudices that some groups of cyclists are incapable of behaving with common courtesy. Just try being polite. It helps.

    You implied MTBers were all stupid, by saying roadies were much better educated...
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  • Red Lemon
    Red Lemon Posts: 3,433
    mmm_pie wrote:
    You implied MTBers were all stupid, by saying roadies were much better educated...
    Sorry mate, but I have to say that he never implied that MTBers are all stupid. He actually made reference to several members of his forum who are MTBers.

    Anyway, education isn't equal to intelligence, nor is lack of education equal to stupidity.
    King Kikapu / Fire Mountain
  • Steve Austin
    Steve Austin Posts: 1,803
    stoopid is as stoopid does 8)
    http://www.mlehworld.com
  • Patrick Stevens
    Patrick Stevens Posts: 13,398
    Red Lemon wrote:
    mmm_pie wrote:
    You implied MTBers were all stupid, by saying roadies were much better educated...
    Sorry mate, but I have to say that he never implied that MTBers are all stupid. He actually made reference to several members of his forum who are MTBers.

    Anyway, education isn't equal to intelligence, nor is lack of education equal to stupidity.

    I also made the point that they are older. It follows that the older you are, the more opportunities you have to acquire education. One of the top posters on the C+ site didn't go to university until she was 27. She's now on her fourth degree.
  • Aunty Rubbish
    Aunty Rubbish Posts: 1,010
    Patrick Stevens wrote:
    One of the top posters on the C+ site didn't go to university until she was 27. She's now on her fourth degree.
    If it's who I think it is, then didn't you give her the third? So to speak, nudge-nudge wink wink etc.... :wink:

    Back to the topic at hand, what we have here is fundamentally a clash of forum culture, not different biking styles. But it's quite hard to get that point across... :?
  • mmm_pie
    mmm_pie Posts: 1,934
    Red Lemon wrote:
    mmm_pie wrote:
    You implied MTBers were all stupid, by saying roadies were much better educated...
    Sorry mate, but I have to say that he never implied that MTBers are all stupid.
    Erm...
    roadies are older and more highly educated than the MTBers

    If "Do you understand a word you're saying" apparently implies that someone is illiterate, I would say that implies MTBers are stupid compared to roadies.
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  • Patrick Stevens
    Patrick Stevens Posts: 13,398
    Aunty Rubbish wrote:
    Patrick Stevens wrote:
    Back to the topic at hand, what we have here is fundamentally a clash of forum culture, not different biking styles. But it's quite hard to get that point across... :?

    Paticularly when some people seem to be very touchy and incapable of polite reasoned discussion.
  • Simon L2
    Simon L2 Posts: 2,908
    I just love the idea of Patrick trying to pour oil on troubled waters (but somehow being unable to resist being just a teeny-weeny bit superior), only to be torn apart by teenage mountain bikers. In fact I'm going to stick around to watch.

    Do you fine fellows 'get big air'?
  • Aunty Rubbish
    Aunty Rubbish Posts: 1,010
    Patrick Stevens wrote:
    Particularly when some people seem to be very touchy and incapable of polite reasoned discussion.
    Yup. :roll:
  • Red Lemon
    Red Lemon Posts: 3,433
    Simon L2 wrote:
    I just love the idea of Patrick trying to pour oil on troubled waters (but somehow being unable to resist being just a teeny-weeny bit superior), only to be torn apart by teenage mountain bikers. In fact I'm going to stick around to watch.

    Do you fine fellows 'get big air'?
    Lol, how is that supposed to help?
    King Kikapu / Fire Mountain
  • blacksun
    blacksun Posts: 381
    Patrick Stevens wrote:

    Paticularly when some people seem to be very touchy and incapable of polite reasoned discussion.

    I wasn't getting touchy, and I have been polite. I just wanted to know what facts you based your 'roadies are more intellectual than MTBers' post on.

    So far you've come up with nothing. You just seem to care about common courtesy (granted, that's important too) than backing up your outrageous claim.
    I am free of all prejudice. I hate everyone equally ~ W. C. Fields
  • Patrick Stevens
    Patrick Stevens Posts: 13,398
    Simon L2 wrote:
    I ), only to be torn apart by teenage mountain bikers.

    That's why I wasn't being insulting when I said that they had less education than roadies - it stands to reason that if you are only 16 or so, then you're going to have had less education than someone who is in his forties and has been to university.
  • Steve Austin
    Steve Austin Posts: 1,803
    anyone for popcorn?

    'munches'
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