C+ forumers treated with contempt.

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  • SJ
    SJ Posts: 2,871
    Aunty Rubbish wrote:
    Here you go -C-. When I've got a spare minute or two I'll go and have a look for more. I would start with the Roadies Blow Goats thread in Soapbox but it would be too obvious wouldn't it?
    St.D1ckie wrote:
    I love the way you are all trying to seperate yourselfs from other bikers, because obviously you are better and of higher ranking.. and suggesting you are friendly people? HA! in all my times riding on the road i have met one person on another road bike who has returned my greeting.. grumpy, lonely sods the lot of you.
    anyway...I dont want to argue any point to hard or you might have a heart attack or something..
    im sure the people from the home will be giving you your sponge bath any time soon, dont worry...

    I think he was referring to posts made by himself, not St.D1ckie...
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  • -C-
    -C- Posts: 1,168
    I am indeed referring to the posts 'apparently' made by myself...
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  • Aunty Rubbish
    Aunty Rubbish Posts: 1,010
    SJ wrote:
    One that immediately springs to mind is the comment above regarding 'anti-roadie tinted glasses or DH goggles'.
    I personally find that insulting and yes, rude.

    Personal how precisely? I was commenting on the way that many of the flames on this thread and others have been coloured by the predjudice of the poster (see St.D1ckie's fine example). You'd have to try pretty hard to take it as a personal insult.
    I aslo recall sharing friendly words with you, that was nice, I even sang you the Wurzels song. I've just noticed since that moment on a couple of occasions that you've been rude towards MTB'ers. I'm not condoling Mikes behaviour, he should know better, but if you are as mature as you profess to be (and at first appeared to be) then don't rise to it? It's that simple surely?
    I've been short tempered with some people who happen to ride MTBs. There's a big, big difference. As for Mike, maybe I should have left him alone but given the sexist and homophobic abuse he was dishing out I felt compelled to tackle him. I've got a lot of gay/lesbian/TG friends and ignoring this kind of stuff isn't really an option.
  • SJ
    SJ Posts: 2,871
    Aunty Rubbish wrote:
    SJ wrote:
    One that immediately springs to mind is the comment above regarding 'anti-roadie tinted glasses or DH goggles'.
    I personally find that insulting and yes, rude.
    Personal how precisely? I was commenting on the way that many of the flames on this thread and others have been coloured by the predjudice of the poster (see St.D1ckie's fine example). You'd have to try pretty hard to take it as a personal insult.
    I felt that you were making a generalisation about people who you deemed 'to wear anti-roadie tinted glasses/dh goggles' implying that all DH'ers are in that category.
    Maybe you weren't but that is how it came across.
    I aslo recall sharing friendly words with you, that was nice, I even sang you the Wurzels song. I've just noticed since that moment on a couple of occasions that you've been rude towards MTB'ers. I'm not condoling Mikes behaviour, he should know better, but if you are as mature as you profess to be (and at first appeared to be) then don't rise to it? It's that simple surely?
    I've been short tempered with some people who happen to ride MTBs. There's a big, big difference. As for Mike, maybe I should have left him alone but given the sexist and homophobic abuse he was dishing out I felt compelled to tackle him. I've got a lot of gay/lesbian/TG friends and ignoring this kind of stuff isn't really an option.
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  • mudface
    mudface Posts: 1,733
    group hug everyone? :unsure:

    ALL cycling is bo. so long as it doesn't include bar ends and beards. can't we all just get along?
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  • Bagonabike
    Bagonabike Posts: 2,239
    mudface wrote:
    group hug everyone? :unsure:

    ALL cycling is bo. so long as it doesn't include bar ends and beards. can't we all just get along?
    Quick, edit your post, Aunty Rubbish has a beard and might take that personally :shock: :wink:
  • Aunty Rubbish
    Aunty Rubbish Posts: 1,010
    I've got bar ends too.
    Bar ends rock. 8)
  • Aunty Rubbish
    Aunty Rubbish Posts: 1,010
    SJ -->
    felt that you were making a generalisation about people who you deemed 'to wear anti-roadie tinted glasses/dh goggles' implying that all DH'ers are in that category. Maybe you weren't but that is how it came across.
    Nah, just trying to add a bit more colour to my post. Nothing at all against DHers in particular.
  • mudface
    mudface Posts: 1,733
    tut.

    i conclude that you must ride a marin.
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  • Aunty Rubbish
    Aunty Rubbish Posts: 1,010
    mudface wrote:
    tut
    i conclude that you must ride a marin.
    Wrong. Try again sista... 8)
  • SJ
    SJ Posts: 2,871
    Aunty Rubbish wrote:
    SJ -->
    felt that you were making a generalisation about people who you deemed 'to wear anti-roadie tinted glasses/dh goggles' implying that all DH'ers are in that category. Maybe you weren't but that is how it came across.
    Nah, just trying to add a bit more colour to my post. Nothing at all against DHers in particular.

    Ok, I understand :)
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  • Patrick Stevens
    Patrick Stevens Posts: 13,398
    The main difficulty is that there is a substantial cultural difference between the MTBers and the C+ roadies. My guess (and I'm not trying to make any particular point) is that the roadies are older and more highly educated than the MTBers with a high proportion of PhDs among the regular posters. There is a certain air of intellectual arrogance and contempt for those who can't debate a complex issue in a lucid way. As a result certain debates could be conducted at a very high standard. Flying Monkey,who is himself an academic, commented that the intellectual quality of a debate on religion and belief was higher than anything he'd ever come across in a university.

    Although insults were often traded, there was also wit of a high order and an intellectual incisiveness that is a delight to see. These are not qualities that have been in evidence when I have had a scan through MTB forums. In short, there are some very different types of people on the forums albeit that they may participate in the other branch of the sport - Kirstie, gillan and FM are all keen MTBers for example.

    I'm afraid that at the end of the day it comes down to certain snobberies. Many roadies see MTBers as a bunch of ill educated teenagers tearing up vulnerable habitats and the MTBers see the roadies as patronising and superior. Similar attitudes are shown in winter sports between skiers and snowboarders.
  • Aunty Rubbish
    Aunty Rubbish Posts: 1,010
    You've found your asbestos pants then Patrick... :wink:
  • Patrick Stevens
    Patrick Stevens Posts: 13,398
    Aunty Rubbish wrote:
    You've found your asbestos pants then Patrick... :wink:

    Au contraire - I'm hoping to be directed to a thread where MTBers are discussing the Scottish Enlightenment in Latin. :)
  • blacksun
    blacksun Posts: 381
    Patrick Stevens wrote:
    The main difficulty is that there is a substantial cultural difference between the MTBers and the C+ roadies. My guess (and I'm not trying to make any particular point) is that the roadies are older and more highly educated than the MTBers with a high proportion of PhDs among the regular posters. There is a certain air of intellectual arrogance and contempt for those who can't debate a complex issue in a lucid way. As a result certain debates could be conducted at a very high standard. Flying Monkey,who is himself an academic, commented that the intellectual quality of a debate on religion and belief was higher than anything he'd ever come across in a university.

    Although insults were often traded, there was also wit of a high order and an intellectual incisiveness that is a delight to see. These are not qualities that have been in evidence when I have had a scan through MTB forums. In short, there are some very different types of people on the forums albeit that they may participate in the other branch of the sport - Kirstie, gillan and FM are all keen MTBers for example.

    I'm afraid that at the end of the day it comes down to certain snobberies. Many roadies see MTBers as a bunch of ill educated teenagers tearing up vulnerable habitats and the MTBers see the roadies as patronising and superior. Similar attitudes are shown in winter sports between skiers and snowboarders.

    I've never read so much drivel in all my life. You really do need to take a step down off your soapbox there my friend and try to fraternize with people from different cycling disciplines. Once you've done that and not just read what you see on forums (yes MBUK was overrun with illiterate kids) then you can comment.

    All you're basing your rant on is what you've read and the mindset you've given yourself and the mindset of those around you, which to be fair, is just way to narrow for the real world.

    I ask you this just once, get to know more people before making yourself look like a complete fool who's been kept in the dark of the real world for far to long.
    I am free of all prejudice. I hate everyone equally ~ W. C. Fields
  • Aunty Rubbish
    Aunty Rubbish Posts: 1,010
    Patrick Stevens wrote:
    Au contraire - I'm hoping to be directed to a thread where MTBers are discussing the Scottish Enlightenment in Latin. :)
    I refer the honourable gentleman (and when was the last time anyone used those two words in conjunction with your name eh?) to the reply offered by Mr Blacksun.
    I'll be on standby with a tame elephant and a paddling pool of water if things get too heated.
  • john ponting
    john ponting Posts: 491
    I had been about to welcome your contribution but I now realise how foolish it would have made me look.

    There was a similar problem on another (non cycling) forum that I use a lot. They tried to merge a few boards but ignored the fact that people really do like to choose their own "friends". Why should we be made to 'fraternize with people from different cycling disciplines' anymore than we should be made to 'fraternize with people from different religions' or 'fraternize with people who wear sandals' ?

    There are a number of pubs near where I live and they all sell beer - but I choose to travel several miles to drink with people that I like.

    I accept that some of the local drinkers are probably better at it than me but that doesn't mean I have to join them, nor do I look down on them.
  • mudface
    mudface Posts: 1,733
    Patrick Stevens wrote:
    The main difficulty is that there is a substantial cultural difference between the MTBers and the C+ roadies. My guess (and I'm not trying to make any particular point) is that the roadies are older and more highly educated than the MTBers with a high proportion of PhDs among the regular posters. There is a certain air of intellectual arrogance and contempt for those who can't debate a complex issue in a lucid way. As a result certain debates could be conducted at a very high standard. Flying Monkey,who is himself an academic, commented that the intellectual quality of a debate on religion and belief was higher than anything he'd ever come across in a university.

    Although insults were often traded, there was also wit of a high order and an intellectual incisiveness that is a delight to see. These are not qualities that have been in evidence when I have had a scan through MTB forums. In short, there are some very different types of people on the forums albeit that they may participate in the other branch of the sport - Kirstie, gillan and FM are all keen MTBers for example.

    I'm afraid that at the end of the day it comes down to certain snobberies. Many roadies see MTBers as a bunch of ill educated teenagers tearing up vulnerable habitats and the MTBers see the roadies as patronising and superior. Similar attitudes are shown in winter sports between skiers and snowboarders.

    oh my god.

    that's hilarious. you HAVE to be some kind of troll with a superiority complex of that magnitude - maybe you are even sir troll of pompousville.
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  • blacksun
    blacksun Posts: 381
    I only said he should fraternize with different types of people to see that his poorly judged sweeping statement had no fact to it what so ever.
    I am free of all prejudice. I hate everyone equally ~ W. C. Fields
  • -C-
    -C- Posts: 1,168
    Patrick Stevens wrote:
    The main difficulty is that there is a substantial cultural difference between the MTBers and the C+ roadies. My guess (and I'm not trying to make any particular point) is that the roadies are older and more highly educated than the MTBers with a high proportion of PhDs among the regular posters. There is a certain air of intellectual arrogance and contempt for those who can't debate a complex issue in a lucid way. As a result certain debates could be conducted at a very high standard. Flying Monkey,who is himself an academic, commented that the intellectual quality of a debate on religion and belief was higher than anything he'd ever come across in a university.

    Although insults were often traded, there was also wit of a high order and an intellectual incisiveness that is a delight to see. These are not qualities that have been in evidence when I have had a scan through MTB forums. In short, there are some very different types of people on the forums albeit that they may participate in the other branch of the sport - Kirstie, gillan and FM are all keen MTBers for example.

    I'm afraid that at the end of the day it comes down to certain snobberies. Many roadies see MTBers as a bunch of ill educated teenagers tearing up vulnerable habitats and the MTBers see the roadies as patronising and superior. Similar attitudes are shown in winter sports between skiers and snowboarders.

    You sir, receive 1 whole gold star for your trolling abilities! :D
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  • john ponting
    john ponting Posts: 491
    blacksun wrote:
    I only said he should fraternize with different types of people to see that his poorly judged sweeping statement had no fact to it what so ever.

    in that case - fair comment.
  • mmm_pie
    mmm_pie Posts: 1,934
    Patrick Stevens wrote:
    The main difficulty is that there is a substantial cultural difference between the MTBers and the C+ roadies. My guess (and I'm not trying to make any particular point) is that the roadies are older and more highly educated than the MTBers with a high proportion of PhDs among the regular posters. There is a certain air of intellectual arrogance and contempt for those who can't debate a complex issue in a lucid way. As a result certain debates could be conducted at a very high standard. Flying Monkey,who is himself an academic, commented that the intellectual quality of a debate on religion and belief was higher than anything he'd ever come across in a university.

    Although insults were often traded, there was also wit of a high order and an intellectual incisiveness that is a delight to see. These are not qualities that have been in evidence when I have had a scan through MTB forums. In short, there are some very different types of people on the forums albeit that they may participate in the other branch of the sport - Kirstie, gillan and FM are all keen MTBers for example.

    I'm afraid that at the end of the day it comes down to certain snobberies. Many roadies see MTBers as a bunch of ill educated teenagers tearing up vulnerable habitats and the MTBers see the roadies as patronising and superior. Similar attitudes are shown in winter sports between skiers and snowboarders.

    So, do you think you could actually get anymore up your own backside?

    MTBers have no problem with roadies in general, they have a problem with you.
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  • Red Lemon
    Red Lemon Posts: 3,433
    Patrick Stevens wrote:
    The main difficulty is that there is a substantial cultural difference between the MTBers and the C+ roadies. My guess (and I'm not trying to make any particular point) is that the roadies are older and more highly educated than the MTBers with a high proportion of PhDs among the regular posters. There is a certain air of intellectual arrogance and contempt for those who can't debate a complex issue in a lucid way. As a result certain debates could be conducted at a very high standard. Flying Monkey,who is himself an academic, commented that the intellectual quality of a debate on religion and belief was higher than anything he'd ever come across in a university.

    I'm afraid that at the end of the day it comes down to certain snobberies. Many roadies see MTBers as a bunch of ill educated teenagers tearing up vulnerable habitats and the MTBers see the roadies as patronising and superior. Similar attitudes are shown in winter sports between skiers and snowboarders.
    Your post is very interesting, and I have a few points I'd like to make.

    Firstly, might as well state my background. I just finished a 4 year undergraduate master's degree in chemistry at a top 10 university and I'm starting my PhD in September. Where, I'm not going to say, because it makes me fairly easy to track down and kill :wink: I'm an MBUK regular, love a good argument and I'm not averse to a flame war.

    I could be wrong, but I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the majority of your PhD guys are in the humanities, where open debate about philosophy, history, religion or whatever is presumably far more common. I've met so many science PhDs now, and on the whole, they don't seem to be any "better" at debate than anyone else. Without wanting to ramble on, my point is that a PhD doesn't grant anyone the right to intellectual snobbery. At least when it comes to sciences, it means you spent a few years research a very specific topic and wrote a big ol' book. If you're "intelligent" with a PhD, you would have been intelligent without one.

    I can see why the MBUK lot look like a bunch of ill educated teenagers, but there's clearly a large degree of generalisation on the part of the roadies. Am I rude and bad tempered? Yes. Am I Ill educated? Not a chance. Anyone who thinks they can make any assumptions about me (or anyone else) as a person from a few posts on a message board is sadly mistaken.

    As a side point, I get the impression scientists are the lager louts of the academic community mrgreen:
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  • Patrick Stevens
    Patrick Stevens Posts: 13,398
    blacksun wrote:
    Patrick Stevens wrote:
    The main difficulty is that there is a substantial cultural difference between the MTBers and the C+ roadies. My guess (and I'm not trying to make any particular point) is that the roadies are older and more highly educated than the MTBers with a high proportion of PhDs among the regular posters. There is a certain air of intellectual arrogance and contempt for those who can't debate a complex issue in a lucid way. As a result certain debates could be conducted at a very high standard. Flying Monkey,who is himself an academic, commented that the intellectual quality of a debate on religion and belief was higher than anything he'd ever come across in a university.

    Although insults were often traded, there was also wit of a high order and an intellectual incisiveness that is a delight to see. These are not qualities that have been in evidence when I have had a scan through MTB forums. In short, there are some very different types of people on the forums albeit that they may participate in the other branch of the sport - Kirstie, gillan and FM are all keen MTBers for example.

    I'm afraid that at the end of the day it comes down to certain snobberies. Many roadies see MTBers as a bunch of ill educated teenagers tearing up vulnerable habitats and the MTBers see the roadies as patronising and superior. Similar attitudes are shown in winter sports between skiers and snowboarders.

    I've never read so much drivel in all my life. You really do need to take a step down off your soapbox there my friend and try to fraternize with people from different cycling disciplines. Once you've done that and not just read what you see on forums (yes MBUK was overrun with illiterate kids) then you can comment.

    All you're basing your rant on is what you've read and the mindset you've given yourself and the mindset of those around you, which to be fair, is just way to narrow for the real world.

    I ask you this just once, get to know more people before making yourself look like a complete fool who's been kept in the dark of the real world for far to long.

    Oh dear! This rather illustrates the point I was making. I was not ranting, I was trying to objectively explain the differences between the protagonists in the the forums and I was at pains not to take sides. You seem to have taken issue with my comments about age and education while saying that "MBUK was overrun with illiterate kids."
  • mmm_pie
    mmm_pie Posts: 1,934
    MBUK was overrun by illiterate kids.

    They didn't last long though, and they wern't mountain bikers. WE are the mountain bikers, who are no less or more educated than someone who rides a road bike for a hobby.
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  • blacksun
    blacksun Posts: 381
    Patrick - Do you honestly understand a word you're typing? How was I a protagonist? I was merely pointing out that your comment was so far off the mark. For an 'educated' person, I thought you'd be able to understand that.
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  • mmm_pie
    mmm_pie Posts: 1,934
    I love the way he said that a lot of roadies have PhD's, and not him...
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  • blacksun
    blacksun Posts: 381
    mmm_pie wrote:
    I love the way he said that a lot of roadies have PhD's, and not him...

    Wait for his next post. he'll have one, but alas, it'll be worthless. It just gripes me that he thinks he's better than everyone else for being an old man who rides a road bike. next he'll be saying 'I fought in the war for you kids, show me some respect'. Well here's a news flash. Respect has to be earnt!

    What a clown.
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  • Aunty Rubbish
    Aunty Rubbish Posts: 1,010
    Red Lemon wrote:
    Your post is very interesting......snipped to avoid huge quoting splurge
    ......Anyone who thinks they can make any assumptions about me (or anyone else) as a person from a few posts on a message board is sadly mistaken.

    Well put Mr Lemon (which is kind of what Patrick was getting at, I think).
    But I'm curious. How else can someone on these boards make a judgement on the nature of the person they are interacting with? If someone behaves like an oaf on here, what right do they have to claim that this isn't 'real'? This is people interacting with other people.
    The nature of the medium doesn't alter that.
  • john ponting
    john ponting Posts: 491
    Heh guys

    I suspect I'm older than Patrick and EVEN I didn't fight in the war. I even managed to avoid conscription - much to my cousin's disgust as he caught the last year.

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