BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Is anybody else seeing Northerner fishymen selling in the local market or even door to door?
I assume it is in response to losing access to EU markets and hats off to them for their entrepreneurial zeal but I guess they would rather not be doing it.0 -
Literally had this yes.surrey_commuter said:Is anybody else seeing Northerner fishymen selling in the local market or even door to door?
I assume it is in response to losing access to EU markets and hats off to them for their entrepreneurial zeal but I guess they would rather not be doing it.0 -
I thought exports had mostly recovered.surrey_commuter said:Is anybody else seeing Northerner fishymen selling in the local market or even door to door?
I assume it is in response to losing access to EU markets and hats off to them for their entrepreneurial zeal but I guess they would rather not be doing it.
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If he ever comes back I will ask himTheBigBean said:
I thought exports had mostly recovered.surrey_commuter said:Is anybody else seeing Northerner fishymen selling in the local market or even door to door?
I assume it is in response to losing access to EU markets and hats off to them for their entrepreneurial zeal but I guess they would rather not be doing it.0 -
Assembly stays uptailwindhome said:Every chance the NI Assembly could collapse this week
So that's nice
DUP collapses“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Good UK government?tailwindhome said:
Assembly stays uptailwindhome said:Every chance the NI Assembly could collapse this week
So that's nice
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Oh wow.tailwindhome said:
Assembly stays uptailwindhome said:Every chance the NI Assembly could collapse this week
So that's nice
DUP collapses
It’s a poisoned Chalice.
The people who vote for you demand a hard line be taken and the impossible promised.
The moment you are faced with a need to compromise, you have let everybody down.
And let’s face it, you can’t govern in NI without compromise.
Arlene must be having a chuckle mind.0 -
Poots resigns“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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So are they saying he should have waited till the language law was imposed by London, and not had a first minister until then?tailwindhome said:Poots resigns
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Scotland lasted in a major football tournament longer then Poots as leader of the DUP.0
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Way to go!
British food and drink exports to EU fall by £2bn in first quarter of 2021
Industry body says analysis of HMRC data shows structural rather than teething problems with Brexit
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/18/british-food-and-drink-exports-to-eu-fall-by-2bn-in-first-quarter-of-2021
This, then the Australia deal, seem like a massive blow to farmers.0 -
TBF I've been eating a lot more British fish since Brexit. Possibly not as much as a whole continent but hey-ho, the farmers and fishermen should stop bloody moaning about it. Deal's done and the voice of the people has been heard. Get over it.elbowloh said:Way to go!
British food and drink exports to EU fall by £2bn in first quarter of 2021
Industry body says analysis of HMRC data shows structural rather than teething problems with Brexit
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/18/british-food-and-drink-exports-to-eu-fall-by-2bn-in-first-quarter-of-2021
This, then the Australia deal, seem like a massive blow to farmers.0 -
sensible answers only please
what did the UK farming industry think was going to be the likely outcome of Brexit?
they come across as wanting tariff and non-tariff bariers on EU/non-EU foodstuffs whilst having no tariff or non-tariff barriers to EU/non-EU markets but surely they can not have thought that a realistic outcome?0 -
I think voting for Brexit was very much a heart over head vote and the consequences were there for all to see. Farming and fishing chose to ignore these and just wanted 'better'. They want tariffs and quotas on all imports but tariff free trade and no paperwork on their exports.surrey_commuter said:sensible answers only please
what did the UK farming industry think was going to be the likely outcome of Brexit?
they come across as wanting tariff and non-tariff bariers on EU/non-EU foodstuffs whilst having no tariff or non-tariff barriers to EU/non-EU markets but surely they can not have thought that a realistic outcome?0 -
Would you get over it and be quiet if you lost your livelihood?skyblueamateur said:
TBF I've been eating a lot more British fish since Brexit. Possibly not as much as a whole continent but hey-ho, the farmers and fishermen should stop bloody moaning about it. Deal's done and the voice of the people has been heard. Get over it.elbowloh said:Way to go!
British food and drink exports to EU fall by £2bn in first quarter of 2021
Industry body says analysis of HMRC data shows structural rather than teething problems with Brexit
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/18/british-food-and-drink-exports-to-eu-fall-by-2bn-in-first-quarter-of-2021
This, then the Australia deal, seem like a massive blow to farmers.
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I think the sarcasm may have been lost. Of course I wouldn't. I do genuinely feel for them. I find it utterly baffling that large sections of both industries voted for this though. Same with the DUP in NI.elbowloh said:
Would you get over it and be quiet if you lost your livelihood?skyblueamateur said:
TBF I've been eating a lot more British fish since Brexit. Possibly not as much as a whole continent but hey-ho, the farmers and fishermen should stop bloody moaning about it. Deal's done and the voice of the people has been heard. Get over it.elbowloh said:Way to go!
British food and drink exports to EU fall by £2bn in first quarter of 2021
Industry body says analysis of HMRC data shows structural rather than teething problems with Brexit
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/18/british-food-and-drink-exports-to-eu-fall-by-2bn-in-first-quarter-of-2021
This, then the Australia deal, seem like a massive blow to farmers.0 -
I get all the heart over head stuff and maybe there is not too much downside if you are in a role such as pubic sector. What I don't get is the apparently strong correlation between people who's livelihood depends upon access to the EU and their support for Brexit.skyblueamateur said:
I think voting for Brexit was very much a heart over head vote and the consequences were there for all to see. Farming and fishing chose to ignore these and just wanted 'better'. They want tariffs and quotas on all imports but tariff free trade and no paperwork on their exports.surrey_commuter said:sensible answers only please
what did the UK farming industry think was going to be the likely outcome of Brexit?
they come across as wanting tariff and non-tariff bariers on EU/non-EU foodstuffs whilst having no tariff or non-tariff barriers to EU/non-EU markets but surely they can not have thought that a realistic outcome?
The "purer" the Brexit the greater they would lose yet they cheered Boris on to ever levels of purity even to the point when he signed the deal.
Is it possible that to this day Brexiteers from Boris down do not accept and/or understand the inherent trade off between sovereignty and market access?1 -
If I owned a pub and supported a referendum on the abolition of alcohol, I like to think that if successful I would accept the loss of my livelihood with good graceelbowloh said:
Would you get over it and be quiet if you lost your livelihood?skyblueamateur said:
TBF I've been eating a lot more British fish since Brexit. Possibly not as much as a whole continent but hey-ho, the farmers and fishermen should stop bloody moaning about it. Deal's done and the voice of the people has been heard. Get over it.elbowloh said:Way to go!
British food and drink exports to EU fall by £2bn in first quarter of 2021
Industry body says analysis of HMRC data shows structural rather than teething problems with Brexit
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/18/british-food-and-drink-exports-to-eu-fall-by-2bn-in-first-quarter-of-2021
This, then the Australia deal, seem like a massive blow to farmers.1 -
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But they were told that Brexit would be a land of opportunity.surrey_commuter said:
If I owned a pub and supported a referendum on the abolition of alcohol, I like to think that if successful I would accept the loss of my livelihood with good graceelbowloh said:
Would you get over it and be quiet if you lost your livelihood?skyblueamateur said:
TBF I've been eating a lot more British fish since Brexit. Possibly not as much as a whole continent but hey-ho, the farmers and fishermen should stop bloody moaning about it. Deal's done and the voice of the people has been heard. Get over it.elbowloh said:Way to go!
British food and drink exports to EU fall by £2bn in first quarter of 2021
Industry body says analysis of HMRC data shows structural rather than teething problems with Brexit
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/18/british-food-and-drink-exports-to-eu-fall-by-2bn-in-first-quarter-of-2021
This, then the Australia deal, seem like a massive blow to farmers.0 -
Apologies BSAskyblueamateur said:
I think the sarcasm may have been lost. Of course I wouldn't. I do genuinely feel for them. I find it utterly baffling that large sections of both industries voted for this though. Same with the DUP in NI.elbowloh said:
Would you get over it and be quiet if you lost your livelihood?skyblueamateur said:
TBF I've been eating a lot more British fish since Brexit. Possibly not as much as a whole continent but hey-ho, the farmers and fishermen should stop bloody moaning about it. Deal's done and the voice of the people has been heard. Get over it.elbowloh said:Way to go!
British food and drink exports to EU fall by £2bn in first quarter of 2021
Industry body says analysis of HMRC data shows structural rather than teething problems with Brexit
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/18/british-food-and-drink-exports-to-eu-fall-by-2bn-in-first-quarter-of-2021
This, then the Australia deal, seem like a massive blow to farmers.0 -
I'd be more interested as a proportion of GDP and exports as that is rather meaningless on its own, and the timeline is only to 2018 and not to before the ref.TheBigBean said:0 -
The data is all available, so you can do it. I just think a headline that looks at an average of three months, ignores the higher levels last year and ignores the recovery is quite poor. Consistent with Brexit reporting though.rick_chasey said:
I'd be more interested as a proportion of GDP and exports as that is rather meaningless on its own, and the timeline is only to 2018 and not to before the ref.TheBigBean said:
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So when the NFU are complaining they're in dire straights they're....making it up?TheBigBean said:
The data is all available, so you can do it. I just think a headline that looks at an average of three months, ignores the higher levels last year and ignores the recovery is quite poor. Consistent with Brexit reporting though.rick_chasey said:
I'd be more interested as a proportion of GDP and exports as that is rather meaningless on its own, and the timeline is only to 2018 and not to before the ref.TheBigBean said:0 -
No idea. I'm just presenting the data.rick_chasey said:
So when the NFU are complaining they're in dire straights they're....making it up?TheBigBean said:
The data is all available, so you can do it. I just think a headline that looks at an average of three months, ignores the higher levels last year and ignores the recovery is quite poor. Consistent with Brexit reporting though.rick_chasey said:
I'd be more interested as a proportion of GDP and exports as that is rather meaningless on its own, and the timeline is only to 2018 and not to before the ref.TheBigBean said:0 -
and the Food and Drink Federation.rick_chasey said:
So when the NFU are complaining they're in dire straights they're....making it up?TheBigBean said:
The data is all available, so you can do it. I just think a headline that looks at an average of three months, ignores the higher levels last year and ignores the recovery is quite poor. Consistent with Brexit reporting though.rick_chasey said:
I'd be more interested as a proportion of GDP and exports as that is rather meaningless on its own, and the timeline is only to 2018 and not to before the ref.TheBigBean said:
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You're not just presenting the data. You're also interpreting it, and saying that is has recovered and that's not being reported on - and the trade bodies are saying the opposite.TheBigBean said:
No idea. I'm just presenting the data.rick_chasey said:
So when the NFU are complaining they're in dire straights they're....making it up?TheBigBean said:
The data is all available, so you can do it. I just think a headline that looks at an average of three months, ignores the higher levels last year and ignores the recovery is quite poor. Consistent with Brexit reporting though.rick_chasey said:
I'd be more interested as a proportion of GDP and exports as that is rather meaningless on its own, and the timeline is only to 2018 and not to before the ref.TheBigBean said:
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I think it's very much a case of they don't want to understand. We've left and they're still blaming the EU for everything. It's crazy.surrey_commuter said:
I get all the heart over head stuff and maybe there is not too much downside if you are in a role such as pubic sector. What I don't get is the apparently strong correlation between people who's livelihood depends upon access to the EU and their support for Brexit.skyblueamateur said:
I think voting for Brexit was very much a heart over head vote and the consequences were there for all to see. Farming and fishing chose to ignore these and just wanted 'better'. They want tariffs and quotas on all imports but tariff free trade and no paperwork on their exports.surrey_commuter said:sensible answers only please
what did the UK farming industry think was going to be the likely outcome of Brexit?
they come across as wanting tariff and non-tariff bariers on EU/non-EU foodstuffs whilst having no tariff or non-tariff barriers to EU/non-EU markets but surely they can not have thought that a realistic outcome?
The "purer" the Brexit the greater they would lose yet they cheered Boris on to ever levels of purity even to the point when he signed the deal.
Is it possible that to this day Brexiteers from Boris down do not accept and/or understand the inherent trade off between sovereignty and market access?0 -
could it be that TBB's data is by month whereas the others are the aggregate for the quarter?rick_chasey said:
You're not just presenting the data. You're also interpreting it, and saying that is has recovered and that's not being reported on - and the trade bodies are saying the opposite.TheBigBean said:
No idea. I'm just presenting the data.rick_chasey said:
So when the NFU are complaining they're in dire straights they're....making it up?TheBigBean said:
The data is all available, so you can do it. I just think a headline that looks at an average of three months, ignores the higher levels last year and ignores the recovery is quite poor. Consistent with Brexit reporting though.rick_chasey said:
I'd be more interested as a proportion of GDP and exports as that is rather meaningless on its own, and the timeline is only to 2018 and not to before the ref.TheBigBean said:
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