BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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It is just baffling. My only frustration is that we are still blaming everyone else for our problems.surrey_commuter said:
Yep they were very specifically told this would happen so they have literally got what they voted formorstar said:
They vote Brexit and they now vote Tory.rick_chasey said:If it wasn’t quite so bad for their livelihoods this would be one of the most delicious “I told you so”
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/13/end-of-the-line-how-brexit-left-hulls-fishing-industry-facing-extinction
Especially given the prominence of fishing in the leave campaign.
They tell us they know what they’re voting for.
Struggling to feel any sympathy.
I didn’t want Brexit but, like Stevo, think we do now need to embrace it and move forwards as best we can but we just seem stuck in a perpetual euro blaming rut.
All the failings of Brexit are now the Eu’s fault. When on earth are the government going to move forwards?
Oh they’re not, we’ve moved backwards to a violent and disenfranchised Northern Ireland, just with a new dynamic.0 -
Not only was the outcome outlined in this forum, but the blame game was too.surrey_commuter said:
Yep they were very specifically told this would happen so they have literally got what they voted formorstar said:
They vote Brexit and they now vote Tory.rick_chasey said:If it wasn’t quite so bad for their livelihoods this would be one of the most delicious “I told you so”
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/13/end-of-the-line-how-brexit-left-hulls-fishing-industry-facing-extinction
Especially given the prominence of fishing in the leave campaign.
They tell us they know what they’re voting for.
Struggling to feel any sympathy.
They haven't disappointed, which is disappointing.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Biden is actually in a no lose situation with NI.
If UK commit to more alignment in order to allow our internal border to open that is to no detriment to the Eu.
If we insist on divergence, it will favour a united Ireland and we will have done so only in order to get a US trade deal and accept their low standard produce. Those are the only circumstances under which we are getting a US trade deal after all.0 -
There was some signaling from the US this week that UK EU SPS alignment wouldn't be a barrier to a UK US trade deal.morstar said:Those are the only circumstances under which we are getting a US trade deal after all.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Signalling from Biden but I don’t think that is his to givetailwindhome said:
There was some signaling from the US this week that UK EU SPS alignment wouldn't be a barrier to a UK US trade deal.morstar said:Those are the only circumstances under which we are getting a US trade deal after all.
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Their primary aim is to gain access to our food markets.ddraver said:It suggests that US aims for any future trade deal are much less comprehensive than whatever fantasy the Brexiters have...
This requires a lowering of standards which is completely at odds with rhetoric.
Whether that’s a negotiating tactic or what, who knows but allowing American food imports will lower standards.0 -
My understanding is that the US system is far more democratic and that promise is not Biden’s gift to grantddraver said:It suggests that US aims for any future trade deal are much less comprehensive than whatever fantasy the Brexiters have...
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There are products from America that would be beneficial to us. It's not all steroid injected beef. Maybe be a bit smarter in the panning of US food products and pick the ones we like.0
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Can we not get them already?john80 said:There are products from America that would be beneficial to us. It's not all steroid injected beef. Maybe be a bit smarter in the panning of US food products and pick the ones we like.
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Such as? Genuine question.john80 said:There are products from America that would be beneficial to us. It's not all steroid injected beef. Maybe be a bit smarter in the panning of US food products and pick the ones we like.
We're already overwhelmed by their cultural exports. The cars are a piece of shit, they don't really make decent electrical goods (Apple products aren't made in the US). We get US beer and wine here also.0 -
What sort of argument is this?elbowloh said:
Such as? Genuine question.john80 said:There are products from America that would be beneficial to us. It's not all steroid injected beef. Maybe be a bit smarter in the panning of US food products and pick the ones we like.
We're already overwhelmed by their cultural exports. The cars are a piece of censored , they don't really make decent electrical goods (Apple products aren't made in the US). We get US beer and wine here also.
World’s biggest economy “has nothing we would want”
Ok mate.
How about dollar denominated financing?0 -
It's a genuine question. I don't know what the US makes that we don't have here. We don't all come on here to have an argument Rick.rick_chasey said:
What sort of argument is this?elbowloh said:
Such as? Genuine question.john80 said:There are products from America that would be beneficial to us. It's not all steroid injected beef. Maybe be a bit smarter in the panning of US food products and pick the ones we like.
We're already overwhelmed by their cultural exports. The cars are a piece of censored , they don't really make decent electrical goods (Apple products aren't made in the US). We get US beer and wine here also.
World’s biggest economy “has nothing we would want”
Ok mate.
How about dollar denominated financing?
We have a fairly large financial market here already, full of US banks. Their big tech companies are all already here.0 -
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Spray cheese.0
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Wendy's is coming back to the UK already also...0
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Pretty much every company I have ever seen either uses Mac operating systems or windows.elbowloh said:
It's a genuine question. I don't know what the US makes that we don't have here. We don't all come on here to have an argument Rick.rick_chasey said:
What sort of argument is this?elbowloh said:
Such as? Genuine question.john80 said:There are products from America that would be beneficial to us. It's not all steroid injected beef. Maybe be a bit smarter in the panning of US food products and pick the ones we like.
We're already overwhelmed by their cultural exports. The cars are a piece of censored , they don't really make decent electrical goods (Apple products aren't made in the US). We get US beer and wine here also.
World’s biggest economy “has nothing we would want”
Ok mate.
How about dollar denominated financing?
We have a fairly large financial market here already, full of US banks. Their big tech companies are all already here.
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Reasonably sure we can get those already.rick_chasey said:
Pretty much every company I have ever seen either uses Mac operating systems or windows.elbowloh said:
It's a genuine question. I don't know what the US makes that we don't have here. We don't all come on here to have an argument Rick.rick_chasey said:
What sort of argument is this?elbowloh said:
Such as? Genuine question.john80 said:There are products from America that would be beneficial to us. It's not all steroid injected beef. Maybe be a bit smarter in the panning of US food products and pick the ones we like.
We're already overwhelmed by their cultural exports. The cars are a piece of censored , they don't really make decent electrical goods (Apple products aren't made in the US). We get US beer and wine here also.
World’s biggest economy “has nothing we would want”
Ok mate.
How about dollar denominated financing?
We have a fairly large financial market here already, full of US banks. Their big tech companies are all already here.0 -
Exactly! We already have those products here!rick_chasey said:
Pretty much every company I have ever seen either uses Mac operating systems or windows.elbowloh said:
It's a genuine question. I don't know what the US makes that we don't have here. We don't all come on here to have an argument Rick.rick_chasey said:
What sort of argument is this?elbowloh said:
Such as? Genuine question.john80 said:There are products from America that would be beneficial to us. It's not all steroid injected beef. Maybe be a bit smarter in the panning of US food products and pick the ones we like.
We're already overwhelmed by their cultural exports. The cars are a piece of censored , they don't really make decent electrical goods (Apple products aren't made in the US). We get US beer and wine here also.
World’s biggest economy “has nothing we would want”
Ok mate.
How about dollar denominated financing?
We have a fairly large financial market here already, full of US banks. Their big tech companies are all already here.0 -
rick_chasey said:
Pretty much every company I have ever seen either uses Mac operating systems or windows.elbowloh said:
It's a genuine question. I don't know what the US makes that we don't have here. We don't all come on here to have an argument Rick.rick_chasey said:
What sort of argument is this?elbowloh said:
Such as? Genuine question.john80 said:There are products from America that would be beneficial to us. It's not all steroid injected beef. Maybe be a bit smarter in the panning of US food products and pick the ones we like.
We're already overwhelmed by their cultural exports. The cars are a piece of censored , they don't really make decent electrical goods (Apple products aren't made in the US). We get US beer and wine here also.
World’s biggest economy “has nothing we would want”
Ok mate.
How about dollar denominated financing?
We have a fairly large financial market here already, full of US banks. Their big tech companies are all already here.
Don't think we need to sell British farming down the river to access those products. John seems to think we need a great new trade deal for, erm... stuff... erm...0 -
Yet again you demonstrate that you don't know what I think. I wonder how many other people you have a hard time reading with your powers.briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:
Pretty much every company I have ever seen either uses Mac operating systems or windows.elbowloh said:
It's a genuine question. I don't know what the US makes that we don't have here. We don't all come on here to have an argument Rick.rick_chasey said:
What sort of argument is this?elbowloh said:
Such as? Genuine question.john80 said:There are products from America that would be beneficial to us. It's not all steroid injected beef. Maybe be a bit smarter in the panning of US food products and pick the ones we like.
We're already overwhelmed by their cultural exports. The cars are a piece of censored , they don't really make decent electrical goods (Apple products aren't made in the US). We get US beer and wine here also.
World’s biggest economy “has nothing we would want”
Ok mate.
How about dollar denominated financing?
We have a fairly large financial market here already, full of US banks. Their big tech companies are all already here.
Don't think we need to sell British farming down the river to access those products. John seems to think we need a great new trade deal for, erm... stuff... erm...0 -
Look around the UK. With the exception of the south west we are not overflowing with land suitable for crops. Presently we import a lot of this from Europe whilst America has something to offer. Round my way we can grow grass, cows and sheep. Not much of a balanced diet. Getting upset about pork products from America somewhat misses the point.elbowloh said:
Such as? Genuine question.john80 said:There are products from America that would be beneficial to us. It's not all steroid injected beef. Maybe be a bit smarter in the panning of US food products and pick the ones we like.
We're already overwhelmed by their cultural exports. The cars are a piece of censored , they don't really make decent electrical goods (Apple products aren't made in the US). We get US beer and wine here also.0 -
But we currently get food generally produced to high standards and in the UK specifically, we do place value on animal husbandry standards.john80 said:
Look around the UK. With the exception of the south west we are not overflowing with land suitable for crops. Presently we import a lot of this from Europe whilst America has something to offer. Round my way we can grow grass, cows and sheep. Not much of a balanced diet. Getting upset about pork products from America somewhat misses the point.elbowloh said:
Such as? Genuine question.john80 said:There are products from America that would be beneficial to us. It's not all steroid injected beef. Maybe be a bit smarter in the panning of US food products and pick the ones we like.
We're already overwhelmed by their cultural exports. The cars are a piece of censored , they don't really make decent electrical goods (Apple products aren't made in the US). We get US beer and wine here also.
The US food production is solely focussed on maximising efficiency with both quality and husbandry standards a very distant consideration.
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We have pigs round my way. I'd offer to swap but we also have grass, cows and sheep. Strawberries too. Mmmmmm....john80 said:
Look around the UK. With the exception of the south west we are not overflowing with land suitable for crops. Presently we import a lot of this from Europe whilst America has something to offer. Round my way we can grow grass, cows and sheep. Not much of a balanced diet. Getting upset about pork products from America somewhat misses the point.elbowloh said:
Such as? Genuine question.john80 said:There are products from America that would be beneficial to us. It's not all steroid injected beef. Maybe be a bit smarter in the panning of US food products and pick the ones we like.
We're already overwhelmed by their cultural exports. The cars are a piece of censored , they don't really make decent electrical goods (Apple products aren't made in the US). We get US beer and wine here also.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
You need to get out a bit more and visit places like Lincolnshire which is one large farm.john80 said:
Look around the UK. With the exception of the south west we are not overflowing with land suitable for crops. Presently we import a lot of this from Europe whilst America has something to offer. Round my way we can grow grass, cows and sheep. Not much of a balanced diet. Getting upset about pork products from America somewhat misses the point.elbowloh said:
Such as? Genuine question.john80 said:There are products from America that would be beneficial to us. It's not all steroid injected beef. Maybe be a bit smarter in the panning of US food products and pick the ones we like.
We're already overwhelmed by their cultural exports. The cars are a piece of censored , they don't really make decent electrical goods (Apple products aren't made in the US). We get US beer and wine here also.
They also seem to manage to grow things here in Yorkshire.
Although in an upside down sort of way.0 -
If you think UK agriculture is industrialised, Google 'feedlots'. This is the life of US cattle, pigs and lambs.
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If you think it isn't, http://www.drapervent.com/projects/foxholes-farm-bespoke-integration-delivered-ultimate-control/0
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kingstongraham said:
Poultry has been heavily industrialised for sometime, indeed. The ban on battery eggs was but a blip in the march towards 'efficiency'. The really big money is in the meat side, and that's mostly hidden from view.0 -
I don't eat meat, so no good for me.
That's right isn't it, we only care about what benefits us personally?0 -
How much harvesting do you get done in January.webboo said:
You need to get out a bit more and visit places like Lincolnshire which is one large farm.john80 said:
Look around the UK. With the exception of the south west we are not overflowing with land suitable for crops. Presently we import a lot of this from Europe whilst America has something to offer. Round my way we can grow grass, cows and sheep. Not much of a balanced diet. Getting upset about pork products from America somewhat misses the point.elbowloh said:
Such as? Genuine question.john80 said:There are products from America that would be beneficial to us. It's not all steroid injected beef. Maybe be a bit smarter in the panning of US food products and pick the ones we like.
We're already overwhelmed by their cultural exports. The cars are a piece of censored , they don't really make decent electrical goods (Apple products aren't made in the US). We get US beer and wine here also.
They also seem to manage to grow things here in Yorkshire.
Although in an upside down sort of way.
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