BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Are you alright?TheBigBean said:
Or got bored. Not sure anyone accepted your opinion.surrey_commuter said:
where did you pop up from? keep reading past that post and you will see that people either begrudgingly concede my point or go awol.
It is true that someone managed what you couldn't and produced an obscure example of how adding one person might lower GDP. Another example might be a destructive invading army.
That would be GDP per capita which you were explicitly not discussing.surrey_commuter said:
- are you confident GDP will rise in line with population growth?
Can you really not see the potential difference between immigration and population growth? Again one does not automatically lead to another.
They think that there is a direct link between population growth and GDP growth. Why would I change the subject to GDP per capita?0 -
but we knew this about 1458 pages back.rick_chasey said:0 -
Unfortunately "we" does not mean everybody.darkhairedlord said:
but we knew this about 1458 pages back.rick_chasey said:The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Rather amusing but I fear that unless his carer explains it then it will be lost on Mr Francois
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Trade deal with Turkey is almost done, but it requires the UK to reach agreement with the EU as well. Otherwise, it's a tough choice for Turkey.0
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Why do you say it's tough? Germany is already a bigger trading partner than the UK currently is and that's before you count the rest.TheBigBean said:Trade deal with Turkey is almost done, but it requires the UK to reach agreement with the EU as well. Otherwise, it's a tough choice for Turkey.
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It's a gamble what the EU would do about the rule infringement when compared with potential loss of trade.rick_chasey said:
Why do you say it's tough? Germany is already a bigger trading partner than the UK currently is and that's before you count the rest.TheBigBean said:Trade deal with Turkey is almost done, but it requires the UK to reach agreement with the EU as well. Otherwise, it's a tough choice for Turkey.
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A little EU back down, this one a win for the City:
https://telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/07/09/brussels-backs-london-clearing-houses-win-city/
People who make a living from the world's largest financial market should be happy."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
And a good article on why Barnier is getting annoyed
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/07/08/moany-michel-barnier-realising-arent-falling-old-tricks/"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
An extraordinary argument.
"By contrast, the UK has already announced that in the absence of a deal it will only gradually move to a full customs and tariff regime in respect of goods imported from the EU, with such controls not being fully implemented until July next year.
Such a delay raises the prospect of European exporters having to spend the first half of next year fretfully watching the sand run out of their tariff-free egg-timer, while their UK counterparts would already have bitten the bullet and adapted to the new regime. That’s a recipe for yet more angst in Brussels."
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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How is that extraordinary?tailwindhome said:An extraordinary argument.
"By contrast, the UK has already announced that in the absence of a deal it will only gradually move to a full customs and tariff regime in respect of goods imported from the EU, with such controls not being fully implemented until July next year.
Such a delay raises the prospect of European exporters having to spend the first half of next year fretfully watching the sand run out of their tariff-free egg-timer, while their UK counterparts would already have bitten the bullet and adapted to the new regime. That’s a recipe for yet more angst in Brussels.""I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Erm have a read of the declaration yourself.Stevo_666 said:A little EU back down, this one a win for the City:
https://telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/07/09/brussels-backs-london-clearing-houses-win-city/
People who make a living from the world's largest financial market should be happy.
What it actually says is that the EU will continue to use it as it suit them but they plan longer term to shift clearing to the continent, as, obviously, the EU as a whole would like that to happen in the EU.
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They were going to stop clearing in London as soon as we left. Now that aren't. There appears to be the realisation that the EU needs the City and expect further concessions as they will not stop needing it.rick_chasey said:
Erm have a read of the declaration yourself.Stevo_666 said:A little EU back down, this one a win for the City:
https://telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/07/09/brussels-backs-london-clearing-houses-win-city/
People who make a living from the world's largest financial market should be happy.
What it actually says is that the EU will continue to use it as it suit them but they plan longer term to shift clearing to the continent, as, obviously, the EU as a whole would like that to happen in the EU.
I though you might reply, as it was you that was gloating about clearing moving to Europe as soon as we left."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
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I did. And your point is?rick_chasey said:Read what they write for yourself.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
It seems to be saying that our exporters having a hard stop is a good thing and our involuntary transition period for EU exporters is a bad thing.Stevo_666 said:
How is that extraordinary?tailwindhome said:An extraordinary argument.
"By contrast, the UK has already announced that in the absence of a deal it will only gradually move to a full customs and tariff regime in respect of goods imported from the EU, with such controls not being fully implemented until July next year.
Such a delay raises the prospect of European exporters having to spend the first half of next year fretfully watching the sand run out of their tariff-free egg-timer, while their UK counterparts would already have bitten the bullet and adapted to the new regime. That’s a recipe for yet more angst in Brussels."
Without reading the entire thing we don’t know if it is tongue in cheek0 -
Remind me again who will pay any customs duty on goods coming into the EU from the UK after the EU 'hard stop'.surrey_commuter said:
It seems to be saying that our exporters having a hard stop is a good thing and our involuntary transition period for EU exporters is a bad thing.Stevo_666 said:
How is that extraordinary?tailwindhome said:An extraordinary argument.
"By contrast, the UK has already announced that in the absence of a deal it will only gradually move to a full customs and tariff regime in respect of goods imported from the EU, with such controls not being fully implemented until July next year.
Such a delay raises the prospect of European exporters having to spend the first half of next year fretfully watching the sand run out of their tariff-free egg-timer, while their UK counterparts would already have bitten the bullet and adapted to the new regime. That’s a recipe for yet more angst in Brussels."
Without reading the entire thing we don’t know if it is tongue in cheek"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
No one, 'cause they just wont import anything.Stevo_666 said:
Remind me again who will pay any customs duty on goods coming into the EU from the UK after the EU 'hard stop'.surrey_commuter said:
It seems to be saying that our exporters having a hard stop is a good thing and our involuntary transition period for EU exporters is a bad thing.Stevo_666 said:
How is that extraordinary?tailwindhome said:An extraordinary argument.
"By contrast, the UK has already announced that in the absence of a deal it will only gradually move to a full customs and tariff regime in respect of goods imported from the EU, with such controls not being fully implemented until July next year.
Such a delay raises the prospect of European exporters having to spend the first half of next year fretfully watching the sand run out of their tariff-free egg-timer, while their UK counterparts would already have bitten the bullet and adapted to the new regime. That’s a recipe for yet more angst in Brussels."
Without reading the entire thing we don’t know if it is tongue in cheek0 -
That would be an even dumber argument but has nothing to do with the original quote or your questionStevo_666 said:
Remind me again who will pay any customs duty on goods coming into the EU from the UK after the EU 'hard stop'.surrey_commuter said:
It seems to be saying that our exporters having a hard stop is a good thing and our involuntary transition period for EU exporters is a bad thing.Stevo_666 said:
How is that extraordinary?tailwindhome said:An extraordinary argument.
"By contrast, the UK has already announced that in the absence of a deal it will only gradually move to a full customs and tariff regime in respect of goods imported from the EU, with such controls not being fully implemented until July next year.
Such a delay raises the prospect of European exporters having to spend the first half of next year fretfully watching the sand run out of their tariff-free egg-timer, while their UK counterparts would already have bitten the bullet and adapted to the new regime. That’s a recipe for yet more angst in Brussels."
Without reading the entire thing we don’t know if it is tongue in cheek0 -
You didn't answer my question. Wonder why?surrey_commuter said:
That would be an even dumber argument but has nothing to do with the original quote or your questionStevo_666 said:
Remind me again who will pay any customs duty on goods coming into the EU from the UK after the EU 'hard stop'.surrey_commuter said:
It seems to be saying that our exporters having a hard stop is a good thing and our involuntary transition period for EU exporters is a bad thing.Stevo_666 said:
How is that extraordinary?tailwindhome said:An extraordinary argument.
"By contrast, the UK has already announced that in the absence of a deal it will only gradually move to a full customs and tariff regime in respect of goods imported from the EU, with such controls not being fully implemented until July next year.
Such a delay raises the prospect of European exporters having to spend the first half of next year fretfully watching the sand run out of their tariff-free egg-timer, while their UK counterparts would already have bitten the bullet and adapted to the new regime. That’s a recipe for yet more angst in Brussels."
Without reading the entire thing we don’t know if it is tongue in cheek
I was simply making another point to expose the flaws in your argument."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
So, bad news for the bigger exporter?darkhairedlord said:
No one, 'cause they just wont import anything.Stevo_666 said:
Remind me again who will pay any customs duty on goods coming into the EU from the UK after the EU 'hard stop'.surrey_commuter said:
It seems to be saying that our exporters having a hard stop is a good thing and our involuntary transition period for EU exporters is a bad thing.Stevo_666 said:
How is that extraordinary?tailwindhome said:An extraordinary argument.
"By contrast, the UK has already announced that in the absence of a deal it will only gradually move to a full customs and tariff regime in respect of goods imported from the EU, with such controls not being fully implemented until July next year.
Such a delay raises the prospect of European exporters having to spend the first half of next year fretfully watching the sand run out of their tariff-free egg-timer, while their UK counterparts would already have bitten the bullet and adapted to the new regime. That’s a recipe for yet more angst in Brussels."
Without reading the entire thing we don’t know if it is tongue in cheek"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Not unless we’ve suddenly become self sufficient.Stevo_666 said:
So, bad news for the bigger exporter?darkhairedlord said:
No one, 'cause they just wont import anything.Stevo_666 said:
Remind me again who will pay any customs duty on goods coming into the EU from the UK after the EU 'hard stop'.surrey_commuter said:
It seems to be saying that our exporters having a hard stop is a good thing and our involuntary transition period for EU exporters is a bad thing.Stevo_666 said:
How is that extraordinary?tailwindhome said:An extraordinary argument.
"By contrast, the UK has already announced that in the absence of a deal it will only gradually move to a full customs and tariff regime in respect of goods imported from the EU, with such controls not being fully implemented until July next year.
Such a delay raises the prospect of European exporters having to spend the first half of next year fretfully watching the sand run out of their tariff-free egg-timer, while their UK counterparts would already have bitten the bullet and adapted to the new regime. That’s a recipe for yet more angst in Brussels."
Without reading the entire thing we don’t know if it is tongue in cheek
Even as a Brexiter, I’d want some leverage with the US in those negotiations rather than saying, we’re completely cutting our ties with the EU to deal with you.
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Its a completely spurious assumption, that was my point. I'm sure you realise that won't be the case.morstar said:
Not unless we’ve suddenly become self sufficient.Stevo_666 said:
So, bad news for the bigger exporter?darkhairedlord said:
No one, 'cause they just wont import anything.Stevo_666 said:
Remind me again who will pay any customs duty on goods coming into the EU from the UK after the EU 'hard stop'.surrey_commuter said:
It seems to be saying that our exporters having a hard stop is a good thing and our involuntary transition period for EU exporters is a bad thing.Stevo_666 said:
How is that extraordinary?tailwindhome said:An extraordinary argument.
"By contrast, the UK has already announced that in the absence of a deal it will only gradually move to a full customs and tariff regime in respect of goods imported from the EU, with such controls not being fully implemented until July next year.
Such a delay raises the prospect of European exporters having to spend the first half of next year fretfully watching the sand run out of their tariff-free egg-timer, while their UK counterparts would already have bitten the bullet and adapted to the new regime. That’s a recipe for yet more angst in Brussels."
Without reading the entire thing we don’t know if it is tongue in cheek
Even as a Brexiter, I’d want some leverage with the US in those negotiations rather than saying, we’re completely cutting our ties with the EU to deal with you."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Wrong thread0
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To clarify, your argument is that we are sticking it to the EU by not collecting tariffs for six months and this will give UK businesses an unfair advantage as they have a hard stop whereas EU ones will have an indefinite transition period?Stevo_666 said:
You didn't answer my question. Wonder why?surrey_commuter said:
That would be an even dumber argument but has nothing to do with the original quote or your questionStevo_666 said:
Remind me again who will pay any customs duty on goods coming into the EU from the UK after the EU 'hard stop'.surrey_commuter said:
It seems to be saying that our exporters having a hard stop is a good thing and our involuntary transition period for EU exporters is a bad thing.Stevo_666 said:
How is that extraordinary?tailwindhome said:An extraordinary argument.
"By contrast, the UK has already announced that in the absence of a deal it will only gradually move to a full customs and tariff regime in respect of goods imported from the EU, with such controls not being fully implemented until July next year.
Such a delay raises the prospect of European exporters having to spend the first half of next year fretfully watching the sand run out of their tariff-free egg-timer, while their UK counterparts would already have bitten the bullet and adapted to the new regime. That’s a recipe for yet more angst in Brussels."
Without reading the entire thing we don’t know if it is tongue in cheek
I was simply making another point to expose the flaws in your argument.0 -
No. Read my post above again about who bears the costs.surrey_commuter said:
To clarify, your argument is that we are sticking it to the EU by not collecting tariffs for six months and this will give UK businesses an unfair advantage as they have a hard stop whereas EU ones will have an indefinite transition period?Stevo_666 said:
You didn't answer my question. Wonder why?surrey_commuter said:
That would be an even dumber argument but has nothing to do with the original quote or your questionStevo_666 said:
Remind me again who will pay any customs duty on goods coming into the EU from the UK after the EU 'hard stop'.surrey_commuter said:
It seems to be saying that our exporters having a hard stop is a good thing and our involuntary transition period for EU exporters is a bad thing.Stevo_666 said:
How is that extraordinary?tailwindhome said:An extraordinary argument.
"By contrast, the UK has already announced that in the absence of a deal it will only gradually move to a full customs and tariff regime in respect of goods imported from the EU, with such controls not being fully implemented until July next year.
Such a delay raises the prospect of European exporters having to spend the first half of next year fretfully watching the sand run out of their tariff-free egg-timer, while their UK counterparts would already have bitten the bullet and adapted to the new regime. That’s a recipe for yet more angst in Brussels."
Without reading the entire thing we don’t know if it is tongue in cheek
I was simply making another point to expose the flaws in your argument."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Again I have a recurring vision of you standing, rollup up in mouth, behind a fairground waltzer so I will decline the invitation.Stevo_666 said:
No. Read my post above again about who bears the costs.surrey_commuter said:
To clarify, your argument is that we are sticking it to the EU by not collecting tariffs for six months and this will give UK businesses an unfair advantage as they have a hard stop whereas EU ones will have an indefinite transition period?Stevo_666 said:
You didn't answer my question. Wonder why?surrey_commuter said:
That would be an even dumber argument but has nothing to do with the original quote or your questionStevo_666 said:
Remind me again who will pay any customs duty on goods coming into the EU from the UK after the EU 'hard stop'.surrey_commuter said:
It seems to be saying that our exporters having a hard stop is a good thing and our involuntary transition period for EU exporters is a bad thing.Stevo_666 said:
How is that extraordinary?tailwindhome said:An extraordinary argument.
"By contrast, the UK has already announced that in the absence of a deal it will only gradually move to a full customs and tariff regime in respect of goods imported from the EU, with such controls not being fully implemented until July next year.
Such a delay raises the prospect of European exporters having to spend the first half of next year fretfully watching the sand run out of their tariff-free egg-timer, while their UK counterparts would already have bitten the bullet and adapted to the new regime. That’s a recipe for yet more angst in Brussels."
Without reading the entire thing we don’t know if it is tongue in cheek
I was simply making another point to expose the flaws in your argument.0 -
Let me see now....
The German consumer can either buy an Audi with zero import duty or they can can bear the cost of the tariff on an imported Land-Rover Discovery that will then sit on the ramp awaiting spares, subject to more import duties. Is that about right?0
