BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

rick_chasey

https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/1280889401384620032?s=21

*so predictable*

surrey_commuter

TheBigBean said:

surrey_commuter said:

where did you pop up from? keep reading past that post and you will see that people either begrudgingly concede my point or go awol.

Or got bored. Not sure anyone accepted your opinion.

It is true that someone managed what you couldn't and produced an obscure example of how adding one person might lower GDP. Another example might be a destructive invading army.

surrey_commuter said:

- are you confident GDP will rise in line with population growth?

That would be GDP per capita which you were explicitly not discussing.

Are you alright?

Can you really not see the potential difference between immigration and population growth? Again one does not automatically lead to another.

They think that there is a direct link between population growth and GDP growth. Why would I change the subject to GDP per capita?

darkhairedlord

rick_chasey said:

https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/1280889401384620032?s=21

*so predictable*

but we knew this about 1458 pages back.

pblakeney

darkhairedlord said:

rick_chasey said:

https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/1280889401384620032?s=21

*so predictable*

but we knew this about 1458 pages back.

Unfortunately "we" does not mean everybody.

surrey_commuter

Rather amusing but I fear that unless his carer explains it then it will be lost on Mr Francois

TheBigBean

Trade deal with Turkey is almost done, but it requires the UK to reach agreement with the EU as well. Otherwise, it's a tough choice for Turkey.

rick_chasey

TheBigBean said:

Trade deal with Turkey is almost done, but it requires the UK to reach agreement with the EU as well. Otherwise, it's a tough choice for Turkey.

Why do you say it's tough? Germany is already a bigger trading partner than the UK currently is and that's before you count the rest.

TheBigBean

rick_chasey said:

TheBigBean said:

Trade deal with Turkey is almost done, but it requires the UK to reach agreement with the EU as well. Otherwise, it's a tough choice for Turkey.

Why do you say it's tough? Germany is already a bigger trading partner than the UK currently is and that's before you count the rest.

It's a gamble what the EU would do about the rule infringement when compared with potential loss of trade.

Stevo_666

A little EU back down, this one a win for the City:
https://telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/07/09/brussels-backs-london-clearing-houses-win-city/

People who make a living from the world's largest financial market should be happy.

Stevo_666

And a good article on why Barnier is getting annoyed
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/07/08/moany-michel-barnier-realising-arent-falling-old-tricks/

tailwindhome

An extraordinary argument.

"By contrast, the UK has already announced that in the absence of a deal it will only gradually move to a full customs and tariff regime in respect of goods imported from the EU, with such controls not being fully implemented until July next year.

Such a delay raises the prospect of European exporters having to spend the first half of next year fretfully watching the sand run out of their tariff-free egg-timer, while their UK counterparts would already have bitten the bullet and adapted to the new regime. That’s a recipe for yet more angst in Brussels."

tailwindhome

https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/status/1281676532663160833?s=20

Stevo_666

tailwindhome said:

An extraordinary argument.

"By contrast, the UK has already announced that in the absence of a deal it will only gradually move to a full customs and tariff regime in respect of goods imported from the EU, with such controls not being fully implemented until July next year.

Such a delay raises the prospect of European exporters having to spend the first half of next year fretfully watching the sand run out of their tariff-free egg-timer, while their UK counterparts would already have bitten the bullet and adapted to the new regime. That’s a recipe for yet more angst in Brussels."

How is that extraordinary?

rick_chasey

Stevo_666 said:

A little EU back down, this one a win for the City:
https://telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/07/09/brussels-backs-london-clearing-houses-win-city/

People who make a living from the world's largest financial market should be happy.

Erm have a read of the declaration yourself.

What it actually says is that the EU will continue to use it as it suit them but they plan longer term to shift clearing to the continent, as, obviously, the EU as a whole would like that to happen in the EU.

Stevo_666

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

A little EU back down, this one a win for the City:
https://telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/07/09/brussels-backs-london-clearing-houses-win-city/

People who make a living from the world's largest financial market should be happy.

Erm have a read of the declaration yourself.

What it actually says is that the EU will continue to use it as it suit them but they plan longer term to shift clearing to the continent, as, obviously, the EU as a whole would like that to happen in the EU.

They were going to stop clearing in London as soon as we left. Now that aren't. There appears to be the realisation that the EU needs the City and expect further concessions as they will not stop needing it.

I though you might reply, as it was you that was gloating about clearing moving to Europe as soon as we left.

rick_chasey

Read what they write for yourself.

Stevo_666

rick_chasey said:

Read what they write for yourself.

I did. And your point is?

surrey_commuter

Stevo_666 said:

tailwindhome said:

An extraordinary argument.

"By contrast, the UK has already announced that in the absence of a deal it will only gradually move to a full customs and tariff regime in respect of goods imported from the EU, with such controls not being fully implemented until July next year.

Such a delay raises the prospect of European exporters having to spend the first half of next year fretfully watching the sand run out of their tariff-free egg-timer, while their UK counterparts would already have bitten the bullet and adapted to the new regime. That’s a recipe for yet more angst in Brussels."

How is that extraordinary?

It seems to be saying that our exporters having a hard stop is a good thing and our involuntary transition period for EU exporters is a bad thing.

Without reading the entire thing we don’t know if it is tongue in cheek

Stevo_666

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

tailwindhome said:

An extraordinary argument.

"By contrast, the UK has already announced that in the absence of a deal it will only gradually move to a full customs and tariff regime in respect of goods imported from the EU, with such controls not being fully implemented until July next year.

Such a delay raises the prospect of European exporters having to spend the first half of next year fretfully watching the sand run out of their tariff-free egg-timer, while their UK counterparts would already have bitten the bullet and adapted to the new regime. That’s a recipe for yet more angst in Brussels."

How is that extraordinary?

It seems to be saying that our exporters having a hard stop is a good thing and our involuntary transition period for EU exporters is a bad thing.

Without reading the entire thing we don’t know if it is tongue in cheek

Remind me again who will pay any customs duty on goods coming into the EU from the UK after the EU 'hard stop'.

darkhairedlord

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

tailwindhome said:

An extraordinary argument.

"By contrast, the UK has already announced that in the absence of a deal it will only gradually move to a full customs and tariff regime in respect of goods imported from the EU, with such controls not being fully implemented until July next year.

Such a delay raises the prospect of European exporters having to spend the first half of next year fretfully watching the sand run out of their tariff-free egg-timer, while their UK counterparts would already have bitten the bullet and adapted to the new regime. That’s a recipe for yet more angst in Brussels."

How is that extraordinary?

It seems to be saying that our exporters having a hard stop is a good thing and our involuntary transition period for EU exporters is a bad thing.

Without reading the entire thing we don’t know if it is tongue in cheek

Remind me again who will pay any customs duty on goods coming into the EU from the UK after the EU 'hard stop'.

No one, 'cause they just wont import anything.

surrey_commuter

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

tailwindhome said:

An extraordinary argument.

"By contrast, the UK has already announced that in the absence of a deal it will only gradually move to a full customs and tariff regime in respect of goods imported from the EU, with such controls not being fully implemented until July next year.

Such a delay raises the prospect of European exporters having to spend the first half of next year fretfully watching the sand run out of their tariff-free egg-timer, while their UK counterparts would already have bitten the bullet and adapted to the new regime. That’s a recipe for yet more angst in Brussels."

How is that extraordinary?

It seems to be saying that our exporters having a hard stop is a good thing and our involuntary transition period for EU exporters is a bad thing.

Without reading the entire thing we don’t know if it is tongue in cheek

Remind me again who will pay any customs duty on goods coming into the EU from the UK after the EU 'hard stop'.

That would be an even dumber argument but has nothing to do with the original quote or your question

Stevo_666

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

tailwindhome said:

An extraordinary argument.

"By contrast, the UK has already announced that in the absence of a deal it will only gradually move to a full customs and tariff regime in respect of goods imported from the EU, with such controls not being fully implemented until July next year.

Such a delay raises the prospect of European exporters having to spend the first half of next year fretfully watching the sand run out of their tariff-free egg-timer, while their UK counterparts would already have bitten the bullet and adapted to the new regime. That’s a recipe for yet more angst in Brussels."

How is that extraordinary?

It seems to be saying that our exporters having a hard stop is a good thing and our involuntary transition period for EU exporters is a bad thing.

Without reading the entire thing we don’t know if it is tongue in cheek

Remind me again who will pay any customs duty on goods coming into the EU from the UK after the EU 'hard stop'.

That would be an even dumber argument but has nothing to do with the original quote or your question

You didn't answer my question. Wonder why?

I was simply making another point to expose the flaws in your argument.

Stevo_666

darkhairedlord said:

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

tailwindhome said:

An extraordinary argument.

"By contrast, the UK has already announced that in the absence of a deal it will only gradually move to a full customs and tariff regime in respect of goods imported from the EU, with such controls not being fully implemented until July next year.

Such a delay raises the prospect of European exporters having to spend the first half of next year fretfully watching the sand run out of their tariff-free egg-timer, while their UK counterparts would already have bitten the bullet and adapted to the new regime. That’s a recipe for yet more angst in Brussels."

How is that extraordinary?

It seems to be saying that our exporters having a hard stop is a good thing and our involuntary transition period for EU exporters is a bad thing.

Without reading the entire thing we don’t know if it is tongue in cheek

Remind me again who will pay any customs duty on goods coming into the EU from the UK after the EU 'hard stop'.

No one, 'cause they just wont import anything.

So, bad news for the bigger exporter?

morstar

Stevo_666 said:

darkhairedlord said:

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

tailwindhome said:

An extraordinary argument.

"By contrast, the UK has already announced that in the absence of a deal it will only gradually move to a full customs and tariff regime in respect of goods imported from the EU, with such controls not being fully implemented until July next year.

Such a delay raises the prospect of European exporters having to spend the first half of next year fretfully watching the sand run out of their tariff-free egg-timer, while their UK counterparts would already have bitten the bullet and adapted to the new regime. That’s a recipe for yet more angst in Brussels."

How is that extraordinary?

It seems to be saying that our exporters having a hard stop is a good thing and our involuntary transition period for EU exporters is a bad thing.

Without reading the entire thing we don’t know if it is tongue in cheek

Remind me again who will pay any customs duty on goods coming into the EU from the UK after the EU 'hard stop'.

No one, 'cause they just wont import anything.

So, bad news for the bigger exporter?

Not unless we’ve suddenly become self sufficient.
Even as a Brexiter, I’d want some leverage with the US in those negotiations rather than saying, we’re completely cutting our ties with the EU to deal with you.

Stevo_666

morstar said:

Stevo_666 said:

darkhairedlord said:

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

tailwindhome said:

An extraordinary argument.

"By contrast, the UK has already announced that in the absence of a deal it will only gradually move to a full customs and tariff regime in respect of goods imported from the EU, with such controls not being fully implemented until July next year.

Such a delay raises the prospect of European exporters having to spend the first half of next year fretfully watching the sand run out of their tariff-free egg-timer, while their UK counterparts would already have bitten the bullet and adapted to the new regime. That’s a recipe for yet more angst in Brussels."

How is that extraordinary?

It seems to be saying that our exporters having a hard stop is a good thing and our involuntary transition period for EU exporters is a bad thing.

Without reading the entire thing we don’t know if it is tongue in cheek

Remind me again who will pay any customs duty on goods coming into the EU from the UK after the EU 'hard stop'.

No one, 'cause they just wont import anything.

So, bad news for the bigger exporter?

Not unless we’ve suddenly become self sufficient.
Even as a Brexiter, I’d want some leverage with the US in those negotiations rather than saying, we’re completely cutting our ties with the EU to deal with you.

Its a completely spurious assumption, that was my point. I'm sure you realise that won't be the case.

coopster_the_1st

Wrong thread

surrey_commuter

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

tailwindhome said:

An extraordinary argument.

"By contrast, the UK has already announced that in the absence of a deal it will only gradually move to a full customs and tariff regime in respect of goods imported from the EU, with such controls not being fully implemented until July next year.

Such a delay raises the prospect of European exporters having to spend the first half of next year fretfully watching the sand run out of their tariff-free egg-timer, while their UK counterparts would already have bitten the bullet and adapted to the new regime. That’s a recipe for yet more angst in Brussels."

How is that extraordinary?

It seems to be saying that our exporters having a hard stop is a good thing and our involuntary transition period for EU exporters is a bad thing.

Without reading the entire thing we don’t know if it is tongue in cheek

Remind me again who will pay any customs duty on goods coming into the EU from the UK after the EU 'hard stop'.

That would be an even dumber argument but has nothing to do with the original quote or your question

You didn't answer my question. Wonder why?

I was simply making another point to expose the flaws in your argument.

To clarify, your argument is that we are sticking it to the EU by not collecting tariffs for six months and this will give UK businesses an unfair advantage as they have a hard stop whereas EU ones will have an indefinite transition period?

Stevo_666

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

tailwindhome said:

An extraordinary argument.

"By contrast, the UK has already announced that in the absence of a deal it will only gradually move to a full customs and tariff regime in respect of goods imported from the EU, with such controls not being fully implemented until July next year.

Such a delay raises the prospect of European exporters having to spend the first half of next year fretfully watching the sand run out of their tariff-free egg-timer, while their UK counterparts would already have bitten the bullet and adapted to the new regime. That’s a recipe for yet more angst in Brussels."

How is that extraordinary?

It seems to be saying that our exporters having a hard stop is a good thing and our involuntary transition period for EU exporters is a bad thing.

Without reading the entire thing we don’t know if it is tongue in cheek

Remind me again who will pay any customs duty on goods coming into the EU from the UK after the EU 'hard stop'.

That would be an even dumber argument but has nothing to do with the original quote or your question

You didn't answer my question. Wonder why?

I was simply making another point to expose the flaws in your argument.

To clarify, your argument is that we are sticking it to the EU by not collecting tariffs for six months and this will give UK businesses an unfair advantage as they have a hard stop whereas EU ones will have an indefinite transition period?

No. Read my post above again about who bears the costs.

surrey_commuter

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

tailwindhome said:

An extraordinary argument.

"By contrast, the UK has already announced that in the absence of a deal it will only gradually move to a full customs and tariff regime in respect of goods imported from the EU, with such controls not being fully implemented until July next year.

Such a delay raises the prospect of European exporters having to spend the first half of next year fretfully watching the sand run out of their tariff-free egg-timer, while their UK counterparts would already have bitten the bullet and adapted to the new regime. That’s a recipe for yet more angst in Brussels."

How is that extraordinary?

It seems to be saying that our exporters having a hard stop is a good thing and our involuntary transition period for EU exporters is a bad thing.

Without reading the entire thing we don’t know if it is tongue in cheek

Remind me again who will pay any customs duty on goods coming into the EU from the UK after the EU 'hard stop'.

That would be an even dumber argument but has nothing to do with the original quote or your question

You didn't answer my question. Wonder why?

I was simply making another point to expose the flaws in your argument.

To clarify, your argument is that we are sticking it to the EU by not collecting tariffs for six months and this will give UK businesses an unfair advantage as they have a hard stop whereas EU ones will have an indefinite transition period?

No. Read my post above again about who bears the costs.

Again I have a recurring vision of you standing, rollup up in mouth, behind a fairground waltzer so I will decline the invitation.

darkhairedlord

Let me see now....
The German consumer can either buy an Audi with zero import duty or they can can bear the cost of the tariff on an imported Land-Rover Discovery that will then sit on the ramp awaiting spares, subject to more import duties. Is that about right?