BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

Stevo_666

darkhairedlord said:

Let me see now....
The German consumer can either buy an Audi with zero import duty or they can can bear the cost of the tariff on an imported Land-Rover Discovery that will then sit on the ramp awaiting spares, subject to more import duties. Is that about right?

Assuming said car is manufactured in the EU, yes. We seem to cope with cars manufactured elsewhere pretty well at present.

Also in your example above, same goes for UK consumers and German cars, clearly.

surrey_commuter

darkhairedlord said:

Let me see now....
The German consumer can either buy an Audi with zero import duty or they can can bear the cost of the tariff on an imported Land-Rover Discovery that will then sit on the ramp awaiting spares, subject to more import duties. Is that about right?

you can see why many think that German car manufacturers will ride to our rescue

Stevo_666

I seem to recall that some car manufacturing are planning to retain or move manufacturing operations to the UK to avoid the duty issue and serve the UK domestic market, which is of course a decent size.

morstar

We’ll soon have the Brexit equivalent of a trabant.
That’ll show ‘em.
Powered on fish no less.

Stevo_666

morstar said:

We’ll soon have the Brexit equivalent of a trabant.
That’ll show ‘em.
Powered on fish no less.

Nissan not good enough for you?
https://theguardian.com/business/2020/feb/03/nissan-eu-uk-hard-brexit

Or if you're feeling flush there's the hometown options such as McLaren, Lotus, Jaguar, Aston Martin, Rolls, Caterham etc.

rick_chasey

https://twitter.com/georgewparker/status/1282803485386448897?s=21

morstar

Stevo_666 said:

morstar said:

We’ll soon have the Brexit equivalent of a trabant.
That’ll show ‘em.
Powered on fish no less.

Nissan not good enough for you?
https://theguardian.com/business/2020/feb/03/nissan-eu-uk-hard-brexit

Or if you're feeling flush there's the hometown options such as McLaren, Lotus, Jaguar, Aston Martin, Rolls, Caterham etc.

It’s only a joke but still relevant even given your examples.
Our current specialist engineering and mass production capabilities are reflective of our place in an open, inclusive world.
The Trabant was the output of a closed nation.

ballysmate

morstar said:

Stevo_666 said:

morstar said:

We’ll soon have the Brexit equivalent of a trabant.
That’ll show ‘em.
Powered on fish no less.

Nissan not good enough for you?
https://theguardian.com/business/2020/feb/03/nissan-eu-uk-hard-brexit

Or if you're feeling flush there's the hometown options such as McLaren, Lotus, Jaguar, Aston Martin, Rolls, Caterham etc.

It’s only a joke but still relevant even given your examples.
Our current specialist engineering and mass production capabilities are reflective of our place in an open, inclusive world.
The Trabant was the output of a closed nation.

I'm sure Stevo will be along soon to point out, again, that whichever way you look at it, the EU economy has shrunk as a % of the world economy.
So Brexiteers would argue that wanting to open trade markets outside the EU is the opposite of being a closed nation.

rick_chasey

ballysmate said:

morstar said:

Stevo_666 said:

morstar said:

We’ll soon have the Brexit equivalent of a trabant.
That’ll show ‘em.
Powered on fish no less.

Nissan not good enough for you?
https://theguardian.com/business/2020/feb/03/nissan-eu-uk-hard-brexit

Or if you're feeling flush there's the hometown options such as McLaren, Lotus, Jaguar, Aston Martin, Rolls, Caterham etc.

It’s only a joke but still relevant even given your examples.
Our current specialist engineering and mass production capabilities are reflective of our place in an open, inclusive world.
The Trabant was the output of a closed nation.

I'm sure Stevo will be along soon to point out, again, that whichever way you look at it, the EU economy has shrunk as a % of the world economy.
So Brexiteers would argue that wanting to open trade markets outside the EU is the opposite of being a closed nation.

As it stands today the EU has more trade deals with RoW than the UK

After all, the U.K. is shrinking at a similar speed proportional to the world.

morstar

ballysmate said:

morstar said:

Stevo_666 said:

morstar said:

We’ll soon have the Brexit equivalent of a trabant.
That’ll show ‘em.
Powered on fish no less.

Nissan not good enough for you?
https://theguardian.com/business/2020/feb/03/nissan-eu-uk-hard-brexit

Or if you're feeling flush there's the hometown options such as McLaren, Lotus, Jaguar, Aston Martin, Rolls, Caterham etc.

It’s only a joke but still relevant even given your examples.
Our current specialist engineering and mass production capabilities are reflective of our place in an open, inclusive world.
The Trabant was the output of a closed nation.

I'm sure Stevo will be along soon to point out, again, that whichever way you look at it, the EU economy has shrunk as a % of the world economy.
So Brexiteers would argue that wanting to open trade markets outside the EU is the opposite of being a closed nation.

I agree the liberal elites who promoted Brexit (yes) are supportive of free trade. I’d argue that a significant proportion of Brexit voters want the opposite and expect a closed, British jobs for British people Brexit.
I have argued this on here before. Brexit was all things to all people and what the majority of the 52% voted for is the exact opposite of what they’re getting. The whole thing is a seething mess of contradictions.
I’m not going to debate it to death though, that has already been done and I made my contribution at the time.
It was a light hearted comment which rings true to a sub-set of the Brexit mentality. That is all.

rick_chasey

Of the three big markets, the U.K. is leaving one, has royally cheesed off another, and the third is looking to strong arm the U.K. into being a dumping ground for their inferior products.

tailwindhome

There's a madness here

https://twitter.com/john4brexit/status/1282814604645728257?s=20

https://www.politico.eu/article/why-uk-britain-boris-johnson-must-ditch-the-brexit-withdrawal-agreement-deal/?fbclid=IwAR0RsJm881CRltt9vkOGIzlLmhmayHH_aY6lW_6YBJUK2q3WDFaGbMJkU1c

ballysmate

morstar said:

ballysmate said:

morstar said:

Stevo_666 said:

morstar said:

We’ll soon have the Brexit equivalent of a trabant.
That’ll show ‘em.
Powered on fish no less.

Nissan not good enough for you?
https://theguardian.com/business/2020/feb/03/nissan-eu-uk-hard-brexit

Or if you're feeling flush there's the hometown options such as McLaren, Lotus, Jaguar, Aston Martin, Rolls, Caterham etc.

It’s only a joke but still relevant even given your examples.
Our current specialist engineering and mass production capabilities are reflective of our place in an open, inclusive world.
The Trabant was the output of a closed nation.

I'm sure Stevo will be along soon to point out, again, that whichever way you look at it, the EU economy has shrunk as a % of the world economy.
So Brexiteers would argue that wanting to open trade markets outside the EU is the opposite of being a closed nation.

I agree the liberal elites who promoted Brexit (yes) are supportive of free trade. I’d argue that a significant proportion of Brexit voters want the opposite and expect a closed, British jobs for British people Brexit.
I have argued this on here before. Brexit was all things to all people and what the majority of the 52% voted for is the exact opposite of what they’re getting. The whole thing is a seething mess of contradictions.
I’m not going to debate it to death though, that has already been done and I made my contribution at the time.
It was a light hearted comment which rings true to a sub-set of the Brexit mentality. That is all.

@Morstar, that is one of the reasons I seldom post on this thread. The argument has been done to death and I have said my piece as well.
There's just a hard core left now who wish to chase the same arguments round and round.

rick_chasey

ballysmate said:

morstar said:

ballysmate said:

morstar said:

Stevo_666 said:

morstar said:

We’ll soon have the Brexit equivalent of a trabant.
That’ll show ‘em.
Powered on fish no less.

Nissan not good enough for you?
https://theguardian.com/business/2020/feb/03/nissan-eu-uk-hard-brexit

Or if you're feeling flush there's the hometown options such as McLaren, Lotus, Jaguar, Aston Martin, Rolls, Caterham etc.

It’s only a joke but still relevant even given your examples.
Our current specialist engineering and mass production capabilities are reflective of our place in an open, inclusive world.
The Trabant was the output of a closed nation.

I'm sure Stevo will be along soon to point out, again, that whichever way you look at it, the EU economy has shrunk as a % of the world economy.
So Brexiteers would argue that wanting to open trade markets outside the EU is the opposite of being a closed nation.

I agree the liberal elites who promoted Brexit (yes) are supportive of free trade. I’d argue that a significant proportion of Brexit voters want the opposite and expect a closed, British jobs for British people Brexit.
I have argued this on here before. Brexit was all things to all people and what the majority of the 52% voted for is the exact opposite of what they’re getting. The whole thing is a seething mess of contradictions.
I’m not going to debate it to death though, that has already been done and I made my contribution at the time.
It was a light hearted comment which rings true to a sub-set of the Brexit mentality. That is all.

@Morstar, that is one of the reasons I seldom post on this thread. The argument has been done to death and I have said my piece as well.
There's just a hard core left now who wish to chase the same arguments round and round.

It's rather obvious but the realities haven't changed. That's why.

morstar

ballysmate said:

morstar said:

ballysmate said:

morstar said:

Stevo_666 said:

morstar said:

We’ll soon have the Brexit equivalent of a trabant.
That’ll show ‘em.
Powered on fish no less.

Nissan not good enough for you?
https://theguardian.com/business/2020/feb/03/nissan-eu-uk-hard-brexit

Or if you're feeling flush there's the hometown options such as McLaren, Lotus, Jaguar, Aston Martin, Rolls, Caterham etc.

It’s only a joke but still relevant even given your examples.
Our current specialist engineering and mass production capabilities are reflective of our place in an open, inclusive world.
The Trabant was the output of a closed nation.

I'm sure Stevo will be along soon to point out, again, that whichever way you look at it, the EU economy has shrunk as a % of the world economy.
So Brexiteers would argue that wanting to open trade markets outside the EU is the opposite of being a closed nation.

I agree the liberal elites who promoted Brexit (yes) are supportive of free trade. I’d argue that a significant proportion of Brexit voters want the opposite and expect a closed, British jobs for British people Brexit.
I have argued this on here before. Brexit was all things to all people and what the majority of the 52% voted for is the exact opposite of what they’re getting. The whole thing is a seething mess of contradictions.
I’m not going to debate it to death though, that has already been done and I made my contribution at the time.
It was a light hearted comment which rings true to a sub-set of the Brexit mentality. That is all.

@Morstar, that is one of the reasons I seldom post on this thread. The argument has been done to death and I have said my piece as well.
There's just a hard core left now who wish to chase the same arguments round and round.

I think threads definitely have a short lifespan of productivity before a protracted refusal to go quietly.

kingstongraham

Not much new to say, but it does feel like there will be a cynical no deal Brexit in which "nobody can tell" what macro level effects are down to the pandemic and what is down to no deal. At a micro level, those directly affected will feel it, but that's not everyone.

Stevo_666

ballysmate said:

morstar said:

ballysmate said:

morstar said:

Stevo_666 said:

morstar said:

We’ll soon have the Brexit equivalent of a trabant.
That’ll show ‘em.
Powered on fish no less.

Nissan not good enough for you?
https://theguardian.com/business/2020/feb/03/nissan-eu-uk-hard-brexit

Or if you're feeling flush there's the hometown options such as McLaren, Lotus, Jaguar, Aston Martin, Rolls, Caterham etc.

It’s only a joke but still relevant even given your examples.
Our current specialist engineering and mass production capabilities are reflective of our place in an open, inclusive world.
The Trabant was the output of a closed nation.

I'm sure Stevo will be along soon to point out, again, that whichever way you look at it, the EU economy has shrunk as a % of the world economy.
So Brexiteers would argue that wanting to open trade markets outside the EU is the opposite of being a closed nation.

I agree the liberal elites who promoted Brexit (yes) are supportive of free trade. I’d argue that a significant proportion of Brexit voters want the opposite and expect a closed, British jobs for British people Brexit.
I have argued this on here before. Brexit was all things to all people and what the majority of the 52% voted for is the exact opposite of what they’re getting. The whole thing is a seething mess of contradictions.
I’m not going to debate it to death though, that has already been done and I made my contribution at the time.
It was a light hearted comment which rings true to a sub-set of the Brexit mentality. That is all.

@Morstar, that is one of the reasons I seldom post on this thread. The argument has been done to death and I have said my piece as well.
There's just a hard core left now who wish to chase the same arguments round and round.

You may want to add to that 'because many of them don't like the fact that we have left and still can't accept it.'

Stevo_666

morstar said:

Stevo_666 said:

morstar said:

We’ll soon have the Brexit equivalent of a trabant.
That’ll show ‘em.
Powered on fish no less.

Nissan not good enough for you?
https://theguardian.com/business/2020/feb/03/nissan-eu-uk-hard-brexit

Or if you're feeling flush there's the hometown options such as McLaren, Lotus, Jaguar, Aston Martin, Rolls, Caterham etc.

It’s only a joke but still relevant even given your examples.
Our current specialist engineering and mass production capabilities are reflective of our place in an open, inclusive world.
The Trabant was the output of a closed nation.

I think that there are quite a few globalists amongst us who see that as a good thing and that there are opportunities beyond our doorstep. As I've said before.

surrey_commuter

rick_chasey said:

https://twitter.com/georgewparker/status/1282803485386448897?s=21

Why are the 50,000 extra British jobs not a good thing?

Stevo_666

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

https://twitter.com/georgewparker/status/1282803485386448897?s=21

Why are the 50,000 extra British jobs not a good thing?

Espcially when paid for using free money.

rick_chasey

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

https://twitter.com/georgewparker/status/1282803485386448897?s=21

Why are the 50,000 extra British jobs not a good thing?

Well, quite. Shame they're not more productive jobs!

surrey_commuter

rick_chasey said:

ballysmate said:

morstar said:

ballysmate said:

morstar said:

Stevo_666 said:

morstar said:

We’ll soon have the Brexit equivalent of a trabant.
That’ll show ‘em.
Powered on fish no less.

Nissan not good enough for you?
https://theguardian.com/business/2020/feb/03/nissan-eu-uk-hard-brexit

Or if you're feeling flush there's the hometown options such as McLaren, Lotus, Jaguar, Aston Martin, Rolls, Caterham etc.

It’s only a joke but still relevant even given your examples.
Our current specialist engineering and mass production capabilities are reflective of our place in an open, inclusive world.
The Trabant was the output of a closed nation.

I'm sure Stevo will be along soon to point out, again, that whichever way you look at it, the EU economy has shrunk as a % of the world economy.
So Brexiteers would argue that wanting to open trade markets outside the EU is the opposite of being a closed nation.

I agree the liberal elites who promoted Brexit (yes) are supportive of free trade. I’d argue that a significant proportion of Brexit voters want the opposite and expect a closed, British jobs for British people Brexit.
I have argued this on here before. Brexit was all things to all people and what the majority of the 52% voted for is the exact opposite of what they’re getting. The whole thing is a seething mess of contradictions.
I’m not going to debate it to death though, that has already been done and I made my contribution at the time.
It was a light hearted comment which rings true to a sub-set of the Brexit mentality. That is all.

@Morstar, that is one of the reasons I seldom post on this thread. The argument has been done to death and I have said my piece as well.
There's just a hard core left now who wish to chase the same arguments round and round.

It's rather obvious but the realities haven't changed. That's why.

The fog continues to lift and the realities become more obvious to more people.

The amount of column inches given over to roaming charges and holiday insurance makes me despair for the well being of our once great country.

rick_chasey

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

ballysmate said:

morstar said:

ballysmate said:

morstar said:

Stevo_666 said:

morstar said:

We’ll soon have the Brexit equivalent of a trabant.
That’ll show ‘em.
Powered on fish no less.

Nissan not good enough for you?
https://theguardian.com/business/2020/feb/03/nissan-eu-uk-hard-brexit

Or if you're feeling flush there's the hometown options such as McLaren, Lotus, Jaguar, Aston Martin, Rolls, Caterham etc.

It’s only a joke but still relevant even given your examples.
Our current specialist engineering and mass production capabilities are reflective of our place in an open, inclusive world.
The Trabant was the output of a closed nation.

I'm sure Stevo will be along soon to point out, again, that whichever way you look at it, the EU economy has shrunk as a % of the world economy.
So Brexiteers would argue that wanting to open trade markets outside the EU is the opposite of being a closed nation.

I agree the liberal elites who promoted Brexit (yes) are supportive of free trade. I’d argue that a significant proportion of Brexit voters want the opposite and expect a closed, British jobs for British people Brexit.
I have argued this on here before. Brexit was all things to all people and what the majority of the 52% voted for is the exact opposite of what they’re getting. The whole thing is a seething mess of contradictions.
I’m not going to debate it to death though, that has already been done and I made my contribution at the time.
It was a light hearted comment which rings true to a sub-set of the Brexit mentality. That is all.

@Morstar, that is one of the reasons I seldom post on this thread. The argument has been done to death and I have said my piece as well.
There's just a hard core left now who wish to chase the same arguments round and round.

It's rather obvious but the realities haven't changed. That's why.

The fog continues to lift and the realities become more obvious to more people.

The amount of column inches given over to roaming charges and holiday insurance makes me despair for the well being of our once great country.

I read somewhere that nations look to great nations when the great nations show they can continuously improve - not because they are necessarily already there.

Nations get looked down on when they start inflicting their own damage.

morstar

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

https://twitter.com/georgewparker/status/1282803485386448897?s=21

Why are the 50,000 extra British jobs not a good thing?

Depends really.
If my organisation was going on a recruitment drive to employ lots of administrative assistants, I’d be looking at where our process efficiency had deteriorated.
If this is just repatriating bureaucracy from EU centralisation to UK at same cost, happy days for UK workers.
I don’t believe it is, I believe we’re introducing inefficiency but don’t profess to have the numbers to hand. And nor am I going to look as will make not one iota of difference.

pblakeney

If recent reports are anything to go by the there’s not much to celebrate. As an example below (which I assume is PA) leaves a salary of £20k. Not exactly enticing to do a boring job.

“£10 million to recruit around 500 more Border Force personnel and £20 million for new equipment so they can continue to keep our country safe and secure;”

surrey_commuter

pblakeney said:

If recent reports are anything to go by the there’s not much to celebrate. As an example below (which I assume is PA) leaves a salary of £20k. Not exactly enticing to do a boring job.

“£10 million to recruit around 500 more Border Force personnel and £20 million for new equipment so they can continue to keep our country safe and secure;”

it was slightly tongue in cheek but if you believe in counter cyclical Govt spending then hiring tens of thousands of people to stand on jettys and beaches would be quick and easy to ramp up and down and would have some productive output compared to digging a hole and filling it in again

pblakeney

A new conspiracy theory. C19 is a hoax to get everyone unemployed so that they will grab any menial minimum wage job on offer.

No. I'm not serious.

kingstongraham

Paying people about 80% of what they were on before to go down to the coast? It will never catch on.

spatt77

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

ballysmate said:

morstar said:

ballysmate said:

morstar said:

Stevo_666 said:

morstar said:

We’ll soon have the Brexit equivalent of a trabant.
That’ll show ‘em.
Powered on fish no less.

Nissan not good enough for you?
https://theguardian.com/business/2020/feb/03/nissan-eu-uk-hard-brexit

Or if you're feeling flush there's the hometown options such as McLaren, Lotus, Jaguar, Aston Martin, Rolls, Caterham etc.

It’s only a joke but still relevant even given your examples.
Our current specialist engineering and mass production capabilities are reflective of our place in an open, inclusive world.
The Trabant was the output of a closed nation.

I'm sure Stevo will be along soon to point out, again, that whichever way you look at it, the EU economy has shrunk as a % of the world economy.
So Brexiteers would argue that wanting to open trade markets outside the EU is the opposite of being a closed nation.

I agree the liberal elites who promoted Brexit (yes) are supportive of free trade. I’d argue that a significant proportion of Brexit voters want the opposite and expect a closed, British jobs for British people Brexit.
I have argued this on here before. Brexit was all things to all people and what the majority of the 52% voted for is the exact opposite of what they’re getting. The whole thing is a seething mess of contradictions.
I’m not going to debate it to death though, that has already been done and I made my contribution at the time.
It was a light hearted comment which rings true to a sub-set of the Brexit mentality. That is all.

@Morstar, that is one of the reasons I seldom post on this thread. The argument has been done to death and I have said my piece as well.
There's just a hard core left now who wish to chase the same arguments round and round.

It's rather obvious but the realities haven't changed. That's why.

The fog continues to lift and the realities become more obvious to more people.

The amount of column inches given over to roaming charges and holiday insurance makes me despair for the well being of our once great country.

Oh no, not roaming charges! how will i ever survive!;)

Stevo_666

spatt77 said:

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

ballysmate said:

morstar said:

ballysmate said:

morstar said:

Stevo_666 said:

morstar said:

We’ll soon have the Brexit equivalent of a trabant.
That’ll show ‘em.
Powered on fish no less.

Nissan not good enough for you?
https://theguardian.com/business/2020/feb/03/nissan-eu-uk-hard-brexit

Or if you're feeling flush there's the hometown options such as McLaren, Lotus, Jaguar, Aston Martin, Rolls, Caterham etc.

It’s only a joke but still relevant even given your examples.
Our current specialist engineering and mass production capabilities are reflective of our place in an open, inclusive world.
The Trabant was the output of a closed nation.

I'm sure Stevo will be along soon to point out, again, that whichever way you look at it, the EU economy has shrunk as a % of the world economy.
So Brexiteers would argue that wanting to open trade markets outside the EU is the opposite of being a closed nation.

I agree the liberal elites who promoted Brexit (yes) are supportive of free trade. I’d argue that a significant proportion of Brexit voters want the opposite and expect a closed, British jobs for British people Brexit.
I have argued this on here before. Brexit was all things to all people and what the majority of the 52% voted for is the exact opposite of what they’re getting. The whole thing is a seething mess of contradictions.
I’m not going to debate it to death though, that has already been done and I made my contribution at the time.
It was a light hearted comment which rings true to a sub-set of the Brexit mentality. That is all.

@Morstar, that is one of the reasons I seldom post on this thread. The argument has been done to death and I have said my piece as well.
There's just a hard core left now who wish to chase the same arguments round and round.

It's rather obvious but the realities haven't changed. That's why.

The fog continues to lift and the realities become more obvious to more people.

The amount of column inches given over to roaming charges and holiday insurance makes me despair for the well being of our once great country.

Oh no, not roaming charges! how will i ever survive!;)

True, if people had known about roaming charges before the referendum, they would never have voted to leave...