This Maddy McCann saga
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Frankie</i>
That's pretty harsh and self-righteous stuff coming from you apcmtb.
How can you be sure you would not be that careless? That's the thing about carelessness, it just happens, people don't set out to be careless.
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careless is dropping a plate on your kid's toe, not wilful neglect. i think you CAN say that you wouldn't do something like that. my parents never would've contemplated it, and neither would i. it's not like they magically found themselves at a restaurant without their children. they made a bad decision, and it was in their power not to have made it.<font> <font>bikeybikey</font></font>0 -
Everyone is careless at times. I'm careless in that I take risks when riding, crossing roads, drinking too much and in my former life smoking (3 weeks without now!). But to leave 3 children of that age alone and unprotected when you go out is more than careless, it's negligent.
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Your right mudface,It was a bad decision and now they are paying the price.Everybody knows their stupidity,but why do people keep repeating saying the same bad things about them.Not very positive and gets a bit boring dont you think?
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yes, ninja. and even with what i just said, no one really has the right to look down on anyone. i would've made a different decision, and have an opinion, but that really makes no odds. i am not them or in their situation. what's done is done. i'm not quite sure why it is so high profile - there are lots of abductions and worse going on. but no one deserves something like that to happen to them though, especially the kid. i definitely don't understand this whole meeting the pope thing though. wtf? especially with their track record with small children... ;-)<font> <font>bikeybikey</font></font>0
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Meeting the Pope is just high profile. They don't actually seem to be doing much themselves, other than visiting places. As I've said before, if I was in their position I don't know what I'd be feeling other than complete devestation and despair, but I'd be clinging to my other kids, not touring like a marthyr
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i agree.
i'd be out day and night looking for her myself. i don't think i could sit still for a minute if my child was missing.<font> <font>bikeybikey</font></font>0 -
They aint got much chance finding her on their own though.The world is rather a big place.I wouldnt give a to55 who i had to meet to try and get my child back.Easy for us to comment while we sip tea and chat on a forum.
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of course not - it would be the irrational and emotional response of a being in great emotional distress. i was bad enough when my cat went missing lol.
i'm not drinking tea. i may have some soup in a moment though.
do you think that meeting the pope will improve their chances of their child being found?<font> <font>bikeybikey</font></font>0 -
Of course it will..... they'll have God on their side now. Plus all the priests will be questioned
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Probably not,but i would think they are grasping at straws now anyhow.I cant wish to imagine tbh,i lost my son in oxford street one christmas for about 2mins.The fear,anger and shear panic i will never forget.I was lucky a tourist kept hold of him because he was crying his eyes out.
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i get scared of having kids. i think i would become over-protective parent and end up stapling them to my legs so they couldn't disappear or something.<font> <font>bikeybikey</font></font>0
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Then you'd be done for child abuse. Much better to use parcel tape.
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do you have kids mudface. I know it sounds patronising, but I'm sure that most parents will agree, that many ideas about what you would or wouldn't do with / to your children, go out of the window at some stage, when the stress is high, the stakes are high, you are high.
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no i don't.
i can know i wouldn't leave 3 young children alone for an evening without being a parent. my beliefs on child welfare aside, that's the sort of thing you can get into serious trouble for for a start.
as an example, you don't have to be a theif to know that stealing is wrong.<font> <font>bikeybikey</font></font>0 -
I'm a little confused as to why the media havn't asked why the hell they left their kids unattended whilst no doubt drinking plenty of vino.
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Because it wouldn't sensationalise the story and would require real journalism and debate
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by mudface</i>
no i don't.
i can know i wouldn't leave 3 young children alone for an evening without being a parent. my beliefs on child welfare aside, that's the sort of thing you can get into serious trouble for for a start.
as an example, you don't have to be a theif to know that stealing is wrong.
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Good example, does that mean you would never steal?
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lol, i take that example back - it's not a good example at all as anyone would agree that the welfare of a child is infinitely more important than money or material objects. they are replacable. probably a better example would be, you'd know not to punch a child in the face.<font> <font>bikeybikey</font></font>0
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An even better example would be.....
You know not to leave a 3 year old child alone for the night
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Ive known of people that have left a child asleep and quickly popped to the shops for something.
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by mudface</i>
lol, i take that example back - it's not a good example at all as anyone would agree that the welfare of a child is infinitely more important than money or material objects. they are replacable. probably a better example would be, you'd know not to punch a child in the face.
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What about hitting a child mud? Is that wrong? Can you say you would never ever do it?
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yes.
i can, actually. again, my parents never laid a finger on me. so i don't see why i would ever have to. i wouldn't hit an adult (never had a fight in my life), so why hit someone smaller than me? my own child? it's lazy parenting - gaining respect is more effective. <lights touchpaper, stands well back><font> <font>bikeybikey</font></font>0 -
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by mudface</i>
yes.
i can, actually. again, my parents never laid a finger on me. so i don't see why i would ever have to. i wouldn't hit an adult (never had a fight in my life), so why hit someone smaller than me? my own child? it's lazy parenting - gaining respect is more effective. <lights touchpaper, stands well back>
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touch paper- No, not at all. I doubt many well intentioned parents would disagree with you. Yet, I also know that many well intentioned parents have hit their child at some stage, from a smack to an uncontrolled backhander.
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Lots of people have grown up being hit by parents.Lots of kids grow up hitting the parents.Its very hard to break family patterns,normally means falling out with the family.I had a strict upbringing,one of fear and on occasions that upbringing will rear its ugly head.Having never had a fight in your life is likely to make you perceive a problem slightly diferent from someone who has grown up fighting for everything.If i didnt fight back my dad would give me another one.He meant well but had an even harder upbringing.Youngest of 16 kids could you imagine life and being poor.
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i realise this. i gave my opinion because i was asked what *i* would do. i realise how lucky i was with my parents, even though we were very poor by today's standards.<font> <font>bikeybikey</font></font>0
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I reckon you can say you wouldn't, but you'll never really know until a few years in.
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i have nothing to prove, frankie. i know you want to beleive that this poor little girl's disappearance could happen to anyone, because we might all do the same, but the simple truth is many of us wouldn't. whether you believe *i* would or not, and whether i have children or not is immaterial.
as i said further up, it's done now, there's no point in placing blame - they made a mistake, and had to suffer the consequence. no one deserves that happening to them, and i don't see why we have to keep going back to whether *we* would do the same. this is not a self-righteous rant i'm having - i've made mistakes, i may not make that particular one, but i'm sure i'll make more, and suffer consequences. i hope that other people learn from what happened to them. that is the important thing here imo.<font> <font>bikeybikey</font></font>0
