England Goes Smoke Free

extreme__dude · June 2007

theyre taking it too far though and enforcing it too qickly in my opinion

smoking rooms in the work place are now closed...a smokers only room shouldnt affect the non smokers among us, and then if its a shop or similar where your working, you cant stand too near the building because customers complain like hell about us smoking near the entrance!

and most pubs and clubs wont have specific smoking areas outside in time, which means tens of peple crowding entrances, and of corse more fights break out outside now than ever did inside because theyre all confined in a small area outside and are usually pissed off because theyre forced outside to smoke in the cold and rain

its already happened here in scotland and its shit.

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Mike Skinner · June 2007

not sure how it will work with clubs.

with pubs you stand out in the rain by the doo, sucky but easy to grasp.
with clubs you can't go outside then come back in again, so will there be no provisions, as I imagine this effectively stops 'proper' smokers from going clubbing?

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rubber side up · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mike Skinner

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<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mike Skinner
I smoke, I enjoy smoking, I don't want to quit smoking in the short term future, yet now I have to stand in the rain to have a ciggy with my beer because someone else sat near me, then found me offensive, and rather than moving away, got the police to move me (indirectly). How does that figure?

If they ban smoking indoors, they sholud legally force places to provide decent sized sheltered and heated smoking areas outside.

Or alternatively, stop pissing about and just tell England to "toughen the fuck up"
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Whiney, cry-baby opinions like this make me relish the smoking ban even more. You say we should toughen up and deal with smoke; non-smokers say you should toughen up and learn to deal with the cold.
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where the hell was that a whiney crybaby opinion? You can't smoke in the rain, cigarettes go out, and I don't want to smoke in the rain, as I then have to sit in wet clothes for the rest of the evening, which I won't so I'll leave that pub.

My problem is, my general group of pub friends is fairly average, about 3 or 4 of the group of 6 or 7 smoke, some generally, some socially. The otehrs don't have a problem with this, and the one that do are generally accomodated by sitting on the other side of the table so they don't get smoke blown at them, Every-ones happy.

However come next month, the table is going to be interupted every 5 minutes to let the smokers keep going outside, or more likely we will all go and sit outside, so then the non-smokers have to sit out in the cold for no fault of their own.

Therefore the gtovernments smoking ban is bad for the health of non-smokers.
fact.

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If they are too stupid to go inside when its cold then i think they deserve it.

I really think the ban is a good thing. i like the idea of going down the local one night and not leaving early, coughing and spluttering like i've got a disease. If people want to smoke, and more than likely cut their lives short. thats up to them. but why drag the rest of us down with you?

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extreme__dude · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mike Skinner

not sure how it will work with clubs.

with pubs you stand out in the rain by the doo, sucky but easy to grasp.
with clubs you can't go outside then come back in again, so will there be no provisions, as I imagine this effectively stops 'proper' smokers from going clubbing?

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well in the clubs up here you can get a smoking band or a stamp. a bit like theme parks i guess so if youve got one you can get back in. and if you get two you can get your mate in free! [:P]

but the fact that all you have is a fence or some guys doorstep to hide in is shit. if they dont like it so much i think they should go stand outside!

and lets face it, if the pub doesnt smell of smoke, its only going to smell of piss, puke and stail beer

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ElephantMan · June 2007

Clubs will smell disgusting. Fact.

Fantastic Mr Fox · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by SexyFrank

Ok, yes yes yes, I've skipped to the 10th page and not read a single post, but I'm going to give my opinion anyway:

"Pathetic Nanny State" is all I have to say on the matter.

Oh and I've never touched a cigarette in my life. Nor do I ever intend to.
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Couldn't agree more. If this does, eventually lead to the banning of tobacco, whats next? Alcohol? It will be a sad, sad day if/when that happens.

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Big Red S · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mike Skinner

BRS, yes, I think the solution to this ban if it must happen (as it is) is that pubs and offices should provide smoking areas outside.

However from my experience of 'smoking areas' in airports and similar, this will be a dimeaning little box, as small as can be practicle, placed outside as an afterthought. Which will make smokers miserable as they huddle into an overcrowded area, and will make the locations look worse with fag-buts piled all over.
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But surely if there's a large enough amount of people dissatisfied with this (as you're implying), there will be good reason to provide good smokers' facilities in places like bars and restaurants? Surely smokers are a big enough market for it to be worth competing in part on the quality of smoking areas?

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mike Skinner

why?
Why because I choose to smoke, which is completely legal, (This is what annoys me, people act as if smokers are doing something wrong, we're not, at all, please bare that in mind) should I not be accomodated as comfortably as a non-smoker?
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You're confusing the term 'illegal' with 'wrong'.
Something being legal no more makes it right than something being illegal makes it wrong.
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Try to wear the other persons shoe (metaphorically speaking), and imagine that the majority of the population _did_ smoke. You as a non-smoker have done nothing wrong, yet are being told to go and stand outside to avoid the smoke.

That is effectively why smokers feel put out
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Not at all.
Smokers, in my experience, spend the larger proportion of their time not smoking. They, surely, benefit from the cleaner air in these public places? If not, they're certainly not put out by it.

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<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Big Red S

But they can. Dedicated smoking shelters are allowed, reccomended even. Venues with a large amount of smoking patrons will surely build these and make them comfortable.
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Why the hell should they waste money on shelter, instead why not put it towards helping people quit,
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Because people don't want to quit?
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if shelters aren't made and they aren't supported surely it will encourage people to quit. The less people who smoke the more pressure it will put on the people who still do smoke.
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This ban is, I like to think, in place in order to make life easier for people who don't smoke. Not to force people who like to smoke to stop.
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If everyone eventually quit then we won't have the health issues related to smoking at all. Therefore in the long run saving the NHS money, which could be spent on much better things in my opinion.
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Like fixing people after doing all the other stupid, self-harming passtimes that are still legal?

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mike Skinner
The fact smokers are being punished (effectively) when they are doing nothing illegal, not even anti-sociable is where the problem is.
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I'm not sure how anyone can construe smoking among non-smokers as sociable.
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Yes, there are people who strongly object to smoky atmoshpheres. However the majority of people, smokers or not, appreciate that pubs are smoky, and not many people do actualyl have an objectionable problem with that.
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I presume you've figures, or at least a survey who's title you can cite, to back that up?

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by whyamihere

She doesn't drink or eat junk food, like me, no point arguing those angles to us, I wouldn't have any kind of problem with a ban on alcohol or junk food. I'd fully support them, in fact, because of the problems caused by alcohol and junk food.
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You like the idea of a government who cannot trust the people that elected it into power? Fck me. I thought higher of you...

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ElephantMan · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by whyamihere

I wouldn't have any kind of problem with a ban on alcohol or junk food. I'd fully support them, in fact, because of the problems caused by alcohol and junk food.
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F**k me I didn't see that!
How about the government just go straight ahead and be in control of all our day to day business? Hell, they can plan our meals, tell us which programs to watch on telly (maybe in fact only have one channel so we have no choice?), they can tell us what books to read, what websites we can go on, what time we get up, what time we go to bed, what we dream about...........

Hell Chris, no offence mate but that genuinely is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. I know you don't drink and you don't eat junk food, but it'd be no different to the government telling you that you can no longer cycle, because of the health risks involved. Seriously feller, that IS ridiculous.

Drfabulous0 · June 2007

I was really annoyed about this ban at first, although I rarely sit inside the pub if the weather's good anyway. Now I've decided to quit to try and reap some fitness benefits so going to the pub will probably not be so hard without everyone else smoking. But if I haven't quit by next month I will be screwed as the wife has banned me from smoking in the house as well.

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whyamihere · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Big Red S

Originally posted by whyamihere
She doesn't drink or eat junk food, like me, no point arguing those angles to us, I wouldn't have any kind of problem with a ban on alcohol or junk food. I'd fully support them, in fact, because of the problems caused by alcohol and junk food./quote]You like the idea of a government who cannot trust the people that elected it into power? Fck me. I thought higher of you...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Yeah, I think I worded that a bit wrong...

I know that bans on things such as alcohol and junk food wouldn't work, prohibition in the US showed us that. Junk food, obviously, will never and should never, be banned. What I tried to say, but my tiredness prevented me from saying effectively, is that it wouldn't cause me any problems if it were, because I don't eat any myself. Junk food shouldn't be banned.

I do, however, feel that alcohol should be restricted, in a similar way that smoking now is, but not as strongly. There's nothing wrong with going out for a few pints. There is something wrong when people get so drunk they act anti-socially, when they get so drunk they start vomiting and pissing in the streets, when they get so drunk they act violently towards people who have done nothing. Not prohibition, control. However, I agree, this shouldn't be a government issue, as it's the choice of the people who elected the government to behave in this manner. I have no idea what the possible solution could be, but I do feel that something should be done to try to change the drinking culture which is getting somewhat out of control...

nirveous · June 2007

Can I just ask what the whole 'toughen the fuck up' thing is about? I have no particular opinion on the ban, I would never smoke, but I don't mind other people doing it.
However, it really doesn't make you a pussy if you don't like/are allergic to fag smoke. I think that's just stupid really calling people wimps or whatever.
That's just carrying on from the 'hard' kids smoking at school, because they think it makes them look cool.

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SJ · June 2007

I got to page 5 and couldn't be bothered to read anymore, it just seemed to be the same argument going around and around.

As a person who used to smoke, and still occasionally would smoke socially if/when I went out and was in a smokey place I think it will be of benefit to. If people aren't smoking, I won't smoke. End of.

As it is I haven't smoked for months now and rarely go out to smokey places so it won't really make much difference to me.

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Red Lemon · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by nirveous

Can I just ask what the whole 'toughen the fuck up' thing is about?
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I wouldn't pay too much attention, considering it's coming from the same group who are crying that they might have to go out in the cold to smoke. Boo fucking hoo.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

BTR · June 2007

Having a smoking area in a restaurant is like having a pi<s></s>ssing section in a swimming pool.
Sure, its not exactly dangerous, but its pretty unpleasant if you swallow it.

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Alex · June 2007

Roll on the smoking ban. Especially in clubs.

Hopefully it'll see the "social smokers" quit. I hope. That'll put an end to the "Ewww, just got off with an ashtray" situation that I keep finding myself in.

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Red Lemon · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Alex
Hopefully it'll see the "social smokers" quit. I hope. That'll put an end to the "Ewww, just got off with an ashtray" situation that I keep finding myself in.
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Then stop pulling guys who smoke. It's very simple...

Alex · June 2007

I've never had a problem with guys, they just don't seem interested in me so the smoking aspect there hasn't really arisen.

Women though. Quit fugging smoking already!

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Sav · June 2007

the logical answer there is to not get with ladies that smoke...or is it a case of take what you can get?[;)]
I'm a smoker and am not bothered either way...weather permitting the summer is outside drinking weather, and if i'm feeling too ooooooh! to get wet or cold in the winter i'll just not go for a smoke.
both sides of the debate need to toughen up to be fair!

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extreme__dude · June 2007

the ban is all very well, but very few places have a sheltered area for us to smoke. the bans been here in scotland now for about a year or so, and in the whole of the city i have only managed to find one bar with a descent sheltered area outside. it has heaters and everything which is ace. but as i said, out of the several hundred pubs in the city, only a tiny fraction have the facilities for smokers outside. thats why its shit. thing is they couldnt give us a smoking shed or something, because it would instantly become an enclosed public place....

if i've got somewhere i can go and sit comfortably with my pint and a fag, i'll be happy, but i dont like having to neck/leave my pint so i can go for a ciggerrette in the pissing rain!

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Mike Skinner · June 2007

I should explauin, the whole toughen the fuck up thing is my doing, and means nothing more than the fact I have that Chopper video in my head and it makes me laugh, so I said it when some-one whined. It wasn't a serious suggestion that non-smokers are pussies. means nothing.

anyhow..

BRS, while I can see your point that consumer demand should make pubs sprovide smoking areas, I don't think it will. If places generally don't provide them, as seems to have been the case elsewhere in the world, then there is no other options for smokers, so they won't be able to move some whre 'better equiped'.
If no-where provides them, again, back to the 'no choice'.

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Red Lemon · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by extreme__dude
i dont like having to neck/leave my pint so i can go for a ciggerrette in the pissing rain!
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Someone else was saying you couldn't smoke in the rain [:0]

Mike Skinner · June 2007

well, you can, but then the back of your head gets wet as you bend over.
Which means I won't go and smoke in the rain. Which won't make me quit, It'll just make me a miserable sod for the evening, which will bring my friends down, who will sarcastically insult some-one at teh bar, who will bottle him.

So there'fore the gov'ts ban has effectively lead to my mate being murdered.

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Red Lemon · June 2007

Morning Mike [:)]

doug · June 2007

i cant wait untill the ban
grubby sillys like me can then wear clothes from a night out again in the morning hahah

even some of my smoking friends think its a good idea

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rubber side up · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Sav

the logical answer there is to not get with ladies that smoke...or is it a case of take what you can get?[;)]
I'm a smoker and am not bothered either way...weather permitting the summer is outside drinking weather, and if i'm feeling too ooooooh! to get wet or cold in the winter i'll just not go for a smoke.
both sides of the debate need to toughen up to be fair!

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Why should the non smokers "toughen up"? Whats wrong with non smokers not wanting to breathe in smoke, that makes them smell awful, and may well give them horrific health problems later on in life? We're wimps for not wanting to die a horrible death at a young age? f*ck me i think some people need their heads examined.

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Mike Skinner · June 2007

you gotta die some-way or other. We're not all going to die happily in our sleep at 97. Get rid of one cancer,another will get you soon enough.

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Ben · June 2007

I'm planning on being dead by 30 anyway, so I may as well carry on, and take with me aas many people as possible, coz I'm a miserable sod.

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rubber side up · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mike Skinner

you gotta die some-way or other. We're not all going to die happily in our sleep at 97. Get rid of one cancer,another will get you soon enough.

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but why narrow your chances of dying peacefully?

I knew someone who died of lung cancer. i can assure you it wasn't pleasant for anyone. its not something i'd wish upon anyone. if you want to massively increase your chances of dying a horrible death, then go for it. but dont drag everyone else down with you.

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37714 · June 2007

Nearly everything causes some illness or other. Watching TV, walking, performing an oil change on your car. People like to appoint a big evil they can all focus on. When the smoking debate blows over, it'll be something else.

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Stuff · June 2007

Well chatting to my sister who works in the pub industry they have discovered a nasty side effect of the smoking ban. Certain large pubs and clubs that have alot of dancing in have reported a rather nasty odour of BO. The smoke would ordinarily be masking this smell but without it there it can be overpowering. So this either means the anti persperant market is going to boom (for those wanting to invest in the stock market) or new air-con units will be designed that refresh the air as well as cool it.

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