La Vuelta 2023: Stage 18:- Pola de Allande to La Cruz de Linares, 179km ***Spoilers***
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I don't think him winning the Vuelta would have proved it either to be honest with Jonas having just come off winning the Tour while Roglic has had a decent rest. All things being equal I would back Jonas to finish higher in the Tour than Roglic (plus he's got more years left in him so the team would be silly to back Roglic over him).kingstongraham said:
If he proved himself strongest, then there's an argument to be had. He hasn't done that at all, so agreed. Now.No_Ta_Doctor said:
I think the chance of Roglic being at the Tour if Vingegaard doesn't want him there is slim to nothing.kingstongraham said:I think Caley Fretz probably hits the nail on the head. Roglic wants to be leader at TDF 2024, and Vingegaard can't let anything happen that would make it look like that's a logical decision.
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You aren't Roglic with his massive self belief. Everyone else can see that Vingegaard is clearly the best TDF rider.Pross said:
I don't think him winning the Vuelta would have proved it either to be honest with Jonas having just come off winning the Tour while Roglic has had a decent rest. All things being equal I would back Jonas to finish higher in the Tour than Roglic (plus he's got more years left in him so the team would be silly to back Roglic over him).kingstongraham said:
If he proved himself strongest, then there's an argument to be had. He hasn't done that at all, so agreed. Now.No_Ta_Doctor said:
I think the chance of Roglic being at the Tour if Vingegaard doesn't want him there is slim to nothing.kingstongraham said:I think Caley Fretz probably hits the nail on the head. Roglic wants to be leader at TDF 2024, and Vingegaard can't let anything happen that would make it look like that's a logical decision.
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First time up the final climb - Kron kicks off the racing, Remco follows with Caruso and Poole, but Kron has cracked himself :-(Warning No formatter is installed for the format0
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Kuss sat on Landa's wheel up the climb, with JV and then Rog sat behind. Not sure if the team aren't sheltering him or if he just doesn't dare let JV or Rog go past him!?0
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Poole is having a superb ride, last man standing behind Remco but now getting dropped as Remco goes solo with 29km to go.0
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The result felt inevitable once it was clear the break were going to stay away.0
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Remco is he good isn't he.... he just hasn't got the high high mountains in him"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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If there's a GC group sprint behind that run in to the kite looks a bit dodge"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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Poole looks hammered"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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Very technical descent0
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Not sure I've ever seen such a twisty descent.0
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That was a spectacular shot of the jersey group. It's going to be nervy for them going down the descent in a larger group.0
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It's horrific, hopefully not a talking point laterPross said:Not sure I've ever seen such a twisty descent.
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I suppose the saving grace is there is no long sections to allow them to pick up speeds. Lucky it's dry.No_Ta_Doctor said:
It's horrific, hopefully not a talking point laterPross said:Not sure I've ever seen such a twisty descent.
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Jumbo too busy watching each other to bother trying to follow the attacks of others
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I think this sounds right. He has been saying similar stuff earlier.No_Ta_Doctor said:Honestly, if Kuss doesn't win this race it's either because he's completely cracked by UAE/Movistar (unlikely) or because Roglic has attacked him
Today's pre-stage interview with Jonas (not a full transcript, and it's in Danish)
Key points:- Was in doubt abut what he should do yesterday, nobody was giving instructions
- Wants Kuss to win
- Has said they shouldn't fight for it, consistently, internally
- Thinks it would be greedy (his word) to try and win, given what Kuss has done for him
Trans: I shall do what is right for me and the team, and that's what I'll do today
- Det vil være grådigt af mig at gå efter sejren. Jeg kan ikke se, hvorfor jeg skal gå efter sejren, når han har gjort så meget for mig.
Trans: It would be greedy for me to go after the win. I can't see why I should do that when he's done so much for me
He quite diplomatically didn't have anything to say about Roglic or mention him
https://sport.tv2.dk/cykling/2023-09-14-vingegaard-var-i-tvivl-om-beslutning-nu-melder-han-ud-om-taktikken
He can be king maker if he wants. If Roglic goes, Jonas goes with him Jonas wins, if he doesn’t Kuss wins. Jonas is in the position to make that bit happen i reckon.1 - Was in doubt abut what he should do yesterday, nobody was giving instructions
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Come on kuss hold the wheels"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm1
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Sadly, I don’t think Roglic will ever win the tour.
I do think Jonas genuinely wants Sepp to win this race, as long as he goes back to domestique duties at the Tour next year0 -
Nervy watching this.0
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SK lol"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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What a career wout poels has had ...dragged a lot of winners in his time"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm3
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Landa all in for 4th on GC"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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How long until the pace setting gets a bit too much and the radio stops working?0
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Bernal keeping the flag flying for Ineos. Only 2 hours down0
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Amazing what 24hours of social media pressure can do"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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Has remco won?"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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Still can't work out Remco in Grand Tours. Is it that he can't sustain the level day in day out for three weeks with his style of racing, is it the big mountains or did he just have a bad day and then decide to steal the style of a French GT hope instead?1
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There's been a lot of chat for ages now about his performance in the biggest hills. He's done nothing in this race to suggest it was misplaced.Pross said:Still can't work out Remco in Grand Tours. Is it that he can't sustain the level day in day out for three weeks with his style of racing, is it the big mountains or did he just have a bad day and then decide to steal the style of a French GT hope instead?
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Was that Caruso in second? 5 minutes after Remco?0
