La Vuelta 2023: Stage 18:- Pola de Allande to La Cruz de Linares, 179km ***Spoilers***

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  • poweredbyidris
    poweredbyidris Posts: 848
    *LUMP-LET KLAXON*

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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,462
    kingstongraham said:

    No_Ta_Doctor said:

    kingstongraham said:

    I think Caley Fretz probably hits the nail on the head. Roglic wants to be leader at TDF 2024, and Vingegaard can't let anything happen that would make it look like that's a logical decision.

    https://escapecollective.com/behind-the-facade-fissures-form-at-jumbo/

    I think the chance of Roglic being at the Tour if Vingegaard doesn't want him there is slim to nothing.
    If he proved himself strongest, then there's an argument to be had. He hasn't done that at all, so agreed. Now.
    I don't think him winning the Vuelta would have proved it either to be honest with Jonas having just come off winning the Tour while Roglic has had a decent rest. All things being equal I would back Jonas to finish higher in the Tour than Roglic (plus he's got more years left in him so the team would be silly to back Roglic over him).
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,133
    Pross said:

    kingstongraham said:

    No_Ta_Doctor said:

    kingstongraham said:

    I think Caley Fretz probably hits the nail on the head. Roglic wants to be leader at TDF 2024, and Vingegaard can't let anything happen that would make it look like that's a logical decision.

    https://escapecollective.com/behind-the-facade-fissures-form-at-jumbo/

    I think the chance of Roglic being at the Tour if Vingegaard doesn't want him there is slim to nothing.
    If he proved himself strongest, then there's an argument to be had. He hasn't done that at all, so agreed. Now.
    I don't think him winning the Vuelta would have proved it either to be honest with Jonas having just come off winning the Tour while Roglic has had a decent rest. All things being equal I would back Jonas to finish higher in the Tour than Roglic (plus he's got more years left in him so the team would be silly to back Roglic over him).
    You aren't Roglic with his massive self belief. Everyone else can see that Vingegaard is clearly the best TDF rider.
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,651
    First time up the final climb - Kron kicks off the racing, Remco follows with Caruso and Poole, but Kron has cracked himself :-(
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  • commuterlegs
    commuterlegs Posts: 271
    Kuss sat on Landa's wheel up the climb, with JV and then Rog sat behind. Not sure if the team aren't sheltering him or if he just doesn't dare let JV or Rog go past him!?
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,462
    Poole is having a superb ride, last man standing behind Remco but now getting dropped as Remco goes solo with 29km to go.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,462
    The result felt inevitable once it was clear the break were going to stay away.
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    Remco is he good isn't he.... he just hasn't got the high high mountains in him
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    If there's a GC group sprint behind that run in to the kite looks a bit dodge
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    Poole looks hammered
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,462
    Very technical descent
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,462
    Not sure I've ever seen such a twisty descent.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,462
    That was a spectacular shot of the jersey group. It's going to be nervy for them going down the descent in a larger group.
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,651
    Pross said:

    Not sure I've ever seen such a twisty descent.

    It's horrific, hopefully not a talking point later
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,462
    No_Ta_Doctor said:

    Pross said:

    Not sure I've ever seen such a twisty descent.

    It's horrific, hopefully not a talking point later
    I suppose the saving grace is there is no long sections to allow them to pick up speeds. Lucky it's dry.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,462
    Jumbo too busy watching each other to bother trying to follow the attacks of others :wink:
  • mooro
    mooro Posts: 483
    No_Ta_Doctor said:

    Honestly, if Kuss doesn't win this race it's either because he's completely cracked by UAE/Movistar (unlikely) or because Roglic has attacked him

    Today's pre-stage interview with Jonas (not a full transcript, and it's in Danish)

    Key points:

    • Was in doubt abut what he should do yesterday, nobody was giving instructions
    • Wants Kuss to win
    • Has said they shouldn't fight for it, consistently, internally
    • Thinks it would be greedy (his word) to try and win, given what Kuss has done for him
    - Jeg skal gøre det, jeg synes er rigtigt for mig og holdet, og det kommer jeg til at gøre i dag.
    Trans: I shall do what is right for me and the team, and that's what I'll do today

    - Det vil være grådigt af mig at gå efter sejren. Jeg kan ikke se, hvorfor jeg skal gå efter sejren, når han har gjort så meget for mig.
    Trans: It would be greedy for me to go after the win. I can't see why I should do that when he's done so much for me

    He quite diplomatically didn't have anything to say about Roglic or mention him

    https://sport.tv2.dk/cykling/2023-09-14-vingegaard-var-i-tvivl-om-beslutning-nu-melder-han-ud-om-taktikken
    I think this sounds right. He has been saying similar stuff earlier.

    He can be king maker if he wants. If Roglic goes, Jonas goes with him Jonas wins, if he doesn’t Kuss wins. Jonas is in the position to make that bit happen i reckon.
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    Come on kuss hold the wheels
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • roscoe
    roscoe Posts: 526
    Sadly, I don’t think Roglic will ever win the tour.

    I do think Jonas genuinely wants Sepp to win this race, as long as he goes back to domestique duties at the Tour next year
  • mooro
    mooro Posts: 483
    Nervy watching this.
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    SK lol
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    What a career wout poels has had ...dragged a lot of winners in his time
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    Landa all in for 4th on GC
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,462
    How long until the pace setting gets a bit too much and the radio stops working?
  • roscoe
    roscoe Posts: 526
    Bernal keeping the flag flying for Ineos. Only 2 hours down
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    Amazing what 24hours of social media pressure can do
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    Has remco won?
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,462
    Still can't work out Remco in Grand Tours. Is it that he can't sustain the level day in day out for three weeks with his style of racing, is it the big mountains or did he just have a bad day and then decide to steal the style of a French GT hope instead?
  • Lanterne_Rogue
    Lanterne_Rogue Posts: 4,332
    Pross said:

    Still can't work out Remco in Grand Tours. Is it that he can't sustain the level day in day out for three weeks with his style of racing, is it the big mountains or did he just have a bad day and then decide to steal the style of a French GT hope instead?

    There's been a lot of chat for ages now about his performance in the biggest hills. He's done nothing in this race to suggest it was misplaced.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,133
    Was that Caruso in second? 5 minutes after Remco?

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