Giro 2023:- Stage 18: Oderzo – Val Di Zoldo 161 km, A Very Pointy at the End Stage. ***Spoilers***
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Almeida was a bit disappointing.... He suffered in the heat?"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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How steep is the TT climb?0
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It has 5km stretch at 15% averagemrb123 said:How steep is the TT climb?
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Ouch.stage_hunter said:
It has 5km stretch at 15% averagemrb123 said:How steep is the TT climb?
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"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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Given Almeida had almost got back on to G and Rog he then lost a chunk of time in that last kmmididoctors said:Almeida was a bit disappointing.... He suffered in the heat?
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Thomas and Roglic are hardly dare-devil descenders, and clearly vine was pushing it.r0bh said:
Given Almeida had almost got back on to G and Rog he then lost a chunk of time in that last kmmididoctors said:Almeida was a bit disappointing.... He suffered in the heat?
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I can't believe Kamna is still 6th on GC. Has anyone actually seen him on the tv coverage?0
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I'm talking about the final climb in the last km or sorick_chasey said:
Thomas and Roglic are hardly dare-devil descenders, and clearly vine was pushing it.r0bh said:
Given Almeida had almost got back on to G and Rog he then lost a chunk of time in that last kmmididoctors said:Almeida was a bit disappointing.... He suffered in the heat?
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I can't help but think that Jumbo blew their tactics today.
Clearly they wanted to give the impression that all was not right with Roglic, but then they blew the bluff by coming to the front a day early, without putting in a worthwhile attack.
Ineos are now forewarned about what to expect tomorrow: a much more concerted effort from a guy who isn't as off colour as he would want his adversaries to believe."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Given that the only glimpse of flat road over the final 183km of tomorrow's stage is around the lake at Misurina, it's quite possible that things will be shredded really early. Some domestiques will make it over the Campolongo and Valparola as they're not hard, but the Giau will shred the field to bits with 40km still to go. It's ripe for a long one if anyone fancies it.blazing_saddles said:I can't help but think that Jumbo blew their tactics today.
Clearly they wanted to give the impression that all was not right with Roglic, but then they blew the bluff by coming to the front a day early, without putting in a worthwhile attack.
Ineos are now forewarned about what to expect tomorrow: a much more concerted effort from a guy who isn't as off colour as he would want his adversaries to believe.0 -
Pretty hard to think of anyone who might do though.phreak said:
Given that the only glimpse of flat road over the final 183km of tomorrow's stage is around the lake at Misurina, it's quite possible that things will be shredded really early. Some domestiques will make it over the Campolongo and Valparola as they're not hard, but the Giau will shred the field to bits with 40km still to go. It's ripe for a long one if anyone fancies it.blazing_saddles said:I can't help but think that Jumbo blew their tactics today.
Clearly they wanted to give the impression that all was not right with Roglic, but then they blew the bluff by coming to the front a day early, without putting in a worthwhile attack.
Ineos are now forewarned about what to expect tomorrow: a much more concerted effort from a guy who isn't as off colour as he would want his adversaries to believe.
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Tbh I don’t think Roglic has it in him to dislodge Thomas regardless of tactics.blazing_saddles said:I can't help but think that Jumbo blew their tactics today.
Clearly they wanted to give the impression that all was not right with Roglic, but then they blew the bluff by coming to the front a day early, without putting in a worthwhile attack.
Ineos are now forewarned about what to expect tomorrow: a much more concerted effort from a guy who isn't as off colour as he would want his adversaries to believe.
Might different in the TT though I doubt it.1 -
What's happening with the results? 2 hours after the stage finished and we've only got the top 40 or so0
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Think this is wishful thinking tbh. Given that Rog and G are waiting for the time trial (save for Rog maybe sprinting for bonuses) and Almeida is so risk averse, I can see it just being a grinding down of helpers.phreak said:
It's ripe for a long one if anyone fancies it.blazing_saddles said:I can't help but think that Jumbo blew their tactics today.
Clearly they wanted to give the impression that all was not right with Roglic, but then they blew the bluff by coming to the front a day early, without putting in a worthwhile attack.
Ineos are now forewarned about what to expect tomorrow: a much more concerted effort from a guy who isn't as off colour as he would want his adversaries to believe.
I hope I'm wrong, though1 -
I’m still not convinced Roglic was bluffing early on. I reckon he was struggling then when he felt a bit better later on decided to try to dictate things.1
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What was that stage in the Vuelta where he and Bernal went from way out?takethehighroad said:
Think this is wishful thinking tbh. Given that Rog and G are waiting for the time trial (save for Rog maybe sprinting for bonuses) and Almeida is so risk averse, I can see it just being a grinding down of helpers.phreak said:
It's ripe for a long one if anyone fancies it.blazing_saddles said:I can't help but think that Jumbo blew their tactics today.
Clearly they wanted to give the impression that all was not right with Roglic, but then they blew the bluff by coming to the front a day early, without putting in a worthwhile attack.
Ineos are now forewarned about what to expect tomorrow: a much more concerted effort from a guy who isn't as off colour as he would want his adversaries to believe.
I hope I'm wrong, though0 -
Off the top of my head Lagos De Covadonga, but that was Bernal attacking and Rog following him1
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This. His atttack was pretty weak really, Thomas covered it easily and he didn't try to get away again. He was trying the old attack-so-they-dont-attack-you and managed to find Almeida was having a les than brilliant dayPross said:I’m still not convinced Roglic was bluffing early on. I reckon he was struggling then when he felt a bit better later on decided to try to dictate things.
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Someone needs to explain to Pinot that it's the definition of insanity to keep doing the same thing and expect a different result.0
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I doubt as a Portuguese he would suffer much in the heat, while it really wasn't hot either, at most 25 deg in the long valley, about 16 deg at the finish.mididoctors said:Almeida was a bit disappointing.... He suffered in the heat?
After the stage, his DS (Gianetti!) said that Almeida wasn't feeling that good in the morning, without giving details.
His climbing style (what some here call 'diesel') also didn't suit the next-to-last climb with its alternating gradients.0 -
Mate, he's 32 years old and in his 14th pro season, if he's not learned how to race a bike yet he's not going to.hypster said:Someone needs to explain to Pinot that it's the definition of insanity to keep doing the same thing and expect a different result.
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Ben Healy finished in the bus today.
I think it’s fair to say that he’s drained his tank."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Roglic wasn't really knock blow move level and didn't look like he could have sustained it for much longer . ... ... Roglic Vs Bernal scenario where roglic and bernal ended up Mano a Mano"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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I don't know what UK TV coverage shows or comments upon, but in his new GC role, Kämna seems to be a bit Zubeldia-like, he is always there or not far away, thus why only 1 min behind Roglic and Thomas today.andyp said:I can't believe Kamna is still 6th on GC. Has anyone actually seen him on the tv coverage?
In a way, a pity because his past style could be quite exciting (e.g. his win in the Tour 2020), but his DS said before the Giro started, that he would be more conservative in his new role.
I wonder how much this change has had to do with the personal crisis he seemed to go through about 2 years ago, it lasting about 6 months. I didn't see any of this year's Tirreno-Adriatico or Tour of the Alps to see how he may have already altered by then.
Today he lost contact on the next-to-last climb when Roglic attacked. Kämna afterwards said partly because of the fluctuating gradients of that climb, he prefering a more constant slope.
But he said he never worried because he'd looked at today's stage a couple of weeks after the Tour of the Alps in April, so he knew of the descent, where he could recover a little (and where today he also overtook Leknessund, the two quite close on the GC), while on the final climb, he said, he actually closed the gap to Roglic/Thomas by a few seconds (I don't know how true that is).
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Ooooor saving his legs for one final effort tomorrowblazing_saddles said:Ben Healy finished in the bus today.
I think it’s fair to say that he’s drained his tank.0 -
I dont think there will be many left going over the Giau. 4 or 5, maybe less.phreak said:
Given that the only glimpse of flat road over the final 183km of tomorrow's stage is around the lake at Misurina, it's quite possible that things will be shredded really early. Some domestiques will make it over the Campolongo and Valparola as they're not hard, but the Giau will shred the field to bits with 40km still to go. It's ripe for a long one if anyone fancies it.blazing_saddles said:I can't help but think that Jumbo blew their tactics today.
Clearly they wanted to give the impression that all was not right with Roglic, but then they blew the bluff by coming to the front a day early, without putting in a worthwhile attack.
Ineos are now forewarned about what to expect tomorrow: a much more concerted effort from a guy who isn't as off colour as he would want his adversaries to believe.0 -
I think he is gone as far as that bobbing head attack style will take himrick_chasey said:
Ooooor saving his legs for one final effort tomorrowblazing_saddles said:Ben Healy finished in the bus today.
I think it’s fair to say that he’s drained his tank.
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Can't see it myself. No-one wants to be isolated that far out.stage_hunter said:
I dont think there will be many left going over the Giau. 4 or 5, maybe less.phreak said:
Given that the only glimpse of flat road over the final 183km of tomorrow's stage is around the lake at Misurina, it's quite possible that things will be shredded really early. Some domestiques will make it over the Campolongo and Valparola as they're not hard, but the Giau will shred the field to bits with 40km still to go. It's ripe for a long one if anyone fancies it.blazing_saddles said:I can't help but think that Jumbo blew their tactics today.
Clearly they wanted to give the impression that all was not right with Roglic, but then they blew the bluff by coming to the front a day early, without putting in a worthwhile attack.
Ineos are now forewarned about what to expect tomorrow: a much more concerted effort from a guy who isn't as off colour as he would want his adversaries to believe.
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