Giro d'Italia 23 Stage 13: Borgofranco d’Ivrea - Crans Montana, 75 km not so serious **SPOILERS**

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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 26,870

    Did the 2020 Oct giro have any stages shortened ?

    Stage 20 which was covid not weather related- They didnt go up the agnello into France
    Stage 19 was shortened because it was wet and they were all knackered. Should have been 258km, was 124km.
    Remember the stage just not the year ...was it really 258k !?

    Was scheduled for 253km, then the organisers said they needed to add 5km because of roadworks or something.
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 17,660

    Did the 2020 Oct giro have any stages shortened ?

    Stage 20 which was covid not weather related- They didnt go up the agnello into France
    Stage 19 was shortened because it was wet and they were all knackered. Should have been 258km, was 124km.
    Remember the stage just not the year ...was it really 258k !?

    Was scheduled for 253km, then the organisers said they needed to add 5km because of roadworks or something.
    That is an absurd distance in a GT ......

    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 41,476

    Why isn't there alternative pre planned

    This. Climbs seem to get taken out regulalry on the Giro, either keep the higher climbs out of the route or have a back up ready and waiting in the event of a poor weather forecast.
  • davep1
    davep1 Posts: 836

    Climbed the Stelvio in early September 2006 and it was snowing at the summit. There's no guarantees with the high mountains.
    Maybe in addition to having contingency plans to cut out passes in bad weather, they could look at having plans to 'cut in' extra climbing in later stages if the overall parcours has been flattened uncharacteristically.
    (* This proposal is of course binned if Ganna is in pink due to snow in the high mountains)

    I went in 2017 to climb it on Stelvio Day, when they close the road to cars. It's either the last Sunday of August or the first in September. It was 2 degrees in Prato on the morning, raining, and snowing further up, they shut the road to all traffic at Trafoi. I don't think they can guarantee they will be able to ride it on any day of the year! I'd just spent a fortnight on the Adriatic in +35 degree temps. gutted.
  • red.rider
    red.rider Posts: 1,139
    Just rode up the final climb. Punchy for the first few k, and then a real diesel climb for the final 10km. Expect it to come to an uphill sprint in the last 500m after a false flat and then downhill. Weather conditions are way better than expected. Sunshine with a cool breeze, mostly tailwind.
  • Lanterne_Rogue
    Lanterne_Rogue Posts: 4,091
    I've not watched any of the coverage yet. Have they at least retained some of the feel of this stage by putting the sprinters in their own bus at the back of the convoy?
  • takethehighroad
    takethehighroad Posts: 6,715
    Will there be a special dispensation for PTP? With the shortened stage it reduces the chance of a breakaway, one would imagine
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 17,660
    red.rider said:

    Just rode up the final climb. Punchy for the first few k, and then a real diesel climb for the final 10km. Expect it to come to an uphill sprint in the last 500m after a false flat and then downhill. Weather conditions are way better than expected. Sunshine with a cool breeze, mostly tailwind.

    Great post

    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 17,660

    Will there be a special dispensation for PTP? With the shortened stage it reduces the chance of a breakaway, one would imagine

    You could argue they haven't started and change your pick ? Not sure if that's a faux pais though

    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • Pross said:

    Why isn't there alternative pre planned

    This. Climbs seem to get taken out regulalry on the Giro, either keep the higher climbs out of the route or have a back up ready and waiting in the event of a poor weather forecast.
    I'm guessing closing different roads at late notice is problematic, even if they're in 'the plan'
  • JimD666
    JimD666 Posts: 2,092
    edited May 2023

    Pross said:

    Why isn't there alternative pre planned

    This. Climbs seem to get taken out regulalry on the Giro, either keep the higher climbs out of the route or have a back up ready and waiting in the event of a poor weather forecast.
    I'm guessing closing different roads at late notice is problematic, even if they're in 'the plan'
    I think the logistics would be close to impossible.
    Add in to that of when do they make the decision. Day before and it does become impossible. Too much earlier and then if nothing actually happens (weather wise) then they'll be pilloried in the media (both traditional and social versions) and probably by one or two of the team principles/DS's
  • red.rider
    red.rider Posts: 1,139

    Will there be a special dispensation for PTP? With the shortened stage it reduces the chance of a breakaway, one would imagine

    I’ll accept PTP picks up til 14:30 local time (13:30 UK time) when the riders roll out.

  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 21,979
    Ugo has asked me to mention this:
    I think you want to mention that the late Antonio Carluccio, founder of the famous chain of restaurants, was born and raised in Borgofranco d'Ivrea
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 17,660
    edited May 2023
    Teams only just arriving at start
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 17,660
    Late start I think
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 17,660
    Dry conditions though
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • JimD666
    JimD666 Posts: 2,092
    Should they just cancel the stage?

    Some teams think they're starting in 10 minutes others have only just arrived. Not even sure if INEOS have got there yet
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 17,660
    This race needs some luck
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • stage_hunter
    stage_hunter Posts: 250

    1:30pm UK time start

    120km? In a bus?

    1:30pm UK time start

    They are leaving now.....google maps says 2 hours 39 mins by car......
    Cough
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 17,660
    SEP kuss in separate vehicle?
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • stage_hunter
    stage_hunter Posts: 250
    JimD666 said:

    Should they just cancel the stage?

    Some teams think they're starting in 10 minutes others have only just arrived. Not even sure if INEOS have got there yet

    IMO this would be sensible. The forecast for the Croix De Coeur is still hail showers
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 17,660
    We got Blaise about covid too. Sure it's not killer it was with the vax and everything but it's rife due to complancey .
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 17,660
    Start delayed by 30mins
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 26,252
    edited May 2023
    red.rider said:

    Will there be a special dispensation for PTP? With the shortened stage it reduces the chance of a breakaway, one would imagine

    I’ll accept PTP picks up til 14:30 local time (13:30 UK time) when the riders roll out.

    Bugger!
    That'll teach me not to spend time with the wife. 🤣
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 41,476
    The original proposal that they would start at 2.30pm local whether or not everyone was there or they would only wait for the last team arriving to get to the start line would have been harsh given the organisers had taken so long to decide what was going to happen. 3.00pm start seems reasonable. Couldn’t they have found a few miles of flat road to start them on though?
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 17,660
    pblakeney said:

    red.rider said:

    Will there be a special dispensation for PTP? With the shortened stage it reduces the chance of a breakaway, one would imagine

    I’ll accept PTP picks up til 14:30 local time (13:30 UK time) when the riders roll out.

    censored !
    That'll teach me not to spend time with the wife. 🤣
    I suspect you may get an extra 30 mins ⏱️ start delayed again
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 21,979
    A shambles. Worth looking at the various replies and photos that have been posted in reply to Hansen's proclamation.

    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • Lanterne_Rogue
    Lanterne_Rogue Posts: 4,091
    Well we're off...
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 17,660
    You guys got commentary ?
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm