The Big 'Let's sell our cars and take buses/ebikes instead' thread (warning: probably very dull)
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And that's assuming that it makes much difference to air quality.
https://news.sky.com/story/londons-ultra-low-emission-zone-resulting-in-only-marginal-air-quality-improvements-12469903"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo_666 said:
As mentioned above, that's what Sadiq says its about. Many suspect that its more about money. Also maybe one for the irony thread that a Labour mayor introduces a policy that disproportionately hits the less well off, especially in the outer areas of what will be the expanded ULEZ where more people need cars to get around.rick_chasey said:
Not interested in all the illnesses and deaths caused by traffic pollution?Stevo_666 said:
The expanded ULEZ will go well beyond the areas where it s mostly slow/stop-start. Well outside of the London postcodes and beyond the M25 in some cases.monkimark said:I imagine that's a pretty poor choice for stop/start London traffic as well.
I used to regularly pass a Lambo when I cycled through Clapham, the guy in it never looked very happy.
Sadiq is clearly has a large hole to fill in his coffers.
London is pretty bad for that.
Can't it be for both? Like a win/win: better air quality, and income to spend on better public transport...0 -
See above re impact on air quality and impact on those who can least afford it. Arguably not a win win if you don't swallow the TFL narrative.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
As mentioned above, that's what Sadiq says its about. Many suspect that its more about money. Also maybe one for the irony thread that a Labour mayor introduces a policy that disproportionately hits the less well off, especially in the outer areas of what will be the expanded ULEZ where more people need cars to get around.rick_chasey said:
Not interested in all the illnesses and deaths caused by traffic pollution?Stevo_666 said:
The expanded ULEZ will go well beyond the areas where it s mostly slow/stop-start. Well outside of the London postcodes and beyond the M25 in some cases.monkimark said:I imagine that's a pretty poor choice for stop/start London traffic as well.
I used to regularly pass a Lambo when I cycled through Clapham, the guy in it never looked very happy.
Sadiq is clearly has a large hole to fill in his coffers.
London is pretty bad for that.
Can't it be for both? Like a win/win: better air quality, and income to spend on better public transport..."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Well, pretty much everything impacts the poorest most.
I guess that if you don't accept that traffic should be reduced in built up areas, and think that all tax is bad, even when it's trying to nudge people into different habits, then you're not going to be in favour of ULEZ.0 -
Ironic that it's a Labour mayor pushing it. Also interesting you think of it as a tax, which is quite accurate.briantrumpet said:Well, pretty much everything impacts the poorest most.
I guess that if you don't accept that traffic should be reduced in built up areas, and think that all tax is bad, even when it's trying to nudge people into different habits, then you're not going to be in favour of ULEZ."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo_666 said:
Ironic that it's a Labour mayor pushing it. Also interesting you think of it as a tax, which is quite accurate.briantrumpet said:Well, pretty much everything impacts the poorest most.
I guess that if you don't accept that traffic should be reduced in built up areas, and think that all tax is bad, even when it's trying to nudge people into different habits, then you're not going to be in favour of ULEZ.
I'm not sure what's ironic about it, unless you mean that Tories are now the people with the record of raising taxes to fill financial holes.0 -
See above about hitting those least able to afford it.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Ironic that it's a Labour mayor pushing it. Also interesting you think of it as a tax, which is quite accurate.briantrumpet said:Well, pretty much everything impacts the poorest most.
I guess that if you don't accept that traffic should be reduced in built up areas, and think that all tax is bad, even when it's trying to nudge people into different habits, then you're not going to be in favour of ULEZ.
I'm not sure what's ironic about it, unless you mean that Tories are now the people with the record of raising taxes to fill financial holes."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I note your laudable concern. But is there a better way to do it, say, by taxing those who can afford it more easily?Stevo_666 said:
See above about hitting those least able to afford it.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Ironic that it's a Labour mayor pushing it. Also interesting you think of it as a tax, which is quite accurate.briantrumpet said:Well, pretty much everything impacts the poorest most.
I guess that if you don't accept that traffic should be reduced in built up areas, and think that all tax is bad, even when it's trying to nudge people into different habits, then you're not going to be in favour of ULEZ.
I'm not sure what's ironic about it, unless you mean that Tories are now the people with the record of raising taxes to fill financial holes.0 -
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Maybe it's Khan's poll tax, sorry, 'community car charge'.0
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Stevo_666 said:
I'll need to take some pics tomorrow. Its basically fairly chunky cables connecting pairs of the larger branches/stems (or whatever you call them) so that they act as counterweights to each other. Are you thinking of having something similar done?surrey_commuter said:
Do you have a picture of the bracing?Stevo_666 said:
That's the plan. We had it reduced a bit (from 70ft to 60ft at a guess) but the main thing was the bracing - really didn't fancy one of the larger bits coming down while I'm sat here workingrjsterry said:
Best leave it alone then. Removing trees can cause as much movement as leaving them there. Mad to build so close to an established tree (roots will probably extend under both garages and out the other side, but nobody seemed to worry about foundations before the 1980s.Stevo_666 said:
Oddly enough, it's not caused any problems like that and those garages have been there for a long time.briantrumpet said:rjsterry said:
The one on the left is going to get pushed over by those trees.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
What do you think I should make them look like?kingstongraham said:
Everyone loves the look of a garage - there's a lot of mock-garage architecture around.Stevo_666 said:
It's an office disguised as a garage...from the outside at least.kingstongraham said:
Maybe that used to be a garage, but it's not a garage.Stevo_666 said:
Funny you mention that, as one is my work from home office and I'm sitting in it now. Got a beer fridgerick_chasey said:
Turn them into rooms! Nice bar to get lairy with your mates with without bugging the family? Come on man!Stevo_666 said:
What makes you think either of my garages are in my house?rick_chasey said:How care centric do you have to be to give up a room in your house to put your car in it?
Cars are supposed to be waterproof!
The other one for for garden furniture, tools, that sort of stuff. Cars are on the drive as its nice and safe here.
Tree houses, ground floor, obvs.
My initial thought was that the roots would be playing havoc with its foundations, so maybe raising it up to 1st floor level world solve that
Luckily the house is a decent distance away and a fair bit higher up.
Thanks, don’t need it myself but was intrigued what it looked like. I thought it would be a prop at the bottom so was thinking it would need to be a massive piece of wood/metal. By the looks of it they have attached the stems (?) higher up where there would be less torque.Stevo_666 said:@surrey_commuter
Bracing pics as requested. Not easy to see as the cables are a similar colour to the tree but you should be able to see the 'X' pattern of the 2 main cables.
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Electric motors in the wheels, that does make sense.
Electric motors are fantastical, utterly fantastical.0 -
Top one is far more interesting to watch.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
You're assuming there is a need to tax people for something. You should work in government.briantrumpet said:
I note your laudable concern. But is there a better way to do it, say, by taxing those who can afford it more easily?Stevo_666 said:
See above about hitting those least able to afford it.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Ironic that it's a Labour mayor pushing it. Also interesting you think of it as a tax, which is quite accurate.briantrumpet said:Well, pretty much everything impacts the poorest most.
I guess that if you don't accept that traffic should be reduced in built up areas, and think that all tax is bad, even when it's trying to nudge people into different habits, then you're not going to be in favour of ULEZ.
I'm not sure what's ironic about it, unless you mean that Tories are now the people with the record of raising taxes to fill financial holes.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
That's basically it. Neat solution I reckon.surrey_commuter said:Stevo_666 said:
I'll need to take some pics tomorrow. Its basically fairly chunky cables connecting pairs of the larger branches/stems (or whatever you call them) so that they act as counterweights to each other. Are you thinking of having something similar done?surrey_commuter said:
Do you have a picture of the bracing?Stevo_666 said:
That's the plan. We had it reduced a bit (from 70ft to 60ft at a guess) but the main thing was the bracing - really didn't fancy one of the larger bits coming down while I'm sat here workingrjsterry said:
Best leave it alone then. Removing trees can cause as much movement as leaving them there. Mad to build so close to an established tree (roots will probably extend under both garages and out the other side, but nobody seemed to worry about foundations before the 1980s.Stevo_666 said:
Oddly enough, it's not caused any problems like that and those garages have been there for a long time.briantrumpet said:rjsterry said:
The one on the left is going to get pushed over by those trees.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
What do you think I should make them look like?kingstongraham said:
Everyone loves the look of a garage - there's a lot of mock-garage architecture around.Stevo_666 said:
It's an office disguised as a garage...from the outside at least.kingstongraham said:
Maybe that used to be a garage, but it's not a garage.Stevo_666 said:
Funny you mention that, as one is my work from home office and I'm sitting in it now. Got a beer fridgerick_chasey said:
Turn them into rooms! Nice bar to get lairy with your mates with without bugging the family? Come on man!Stevo_666 said:
What makes you think either of my garages are in my house?rick_chasey said:How care centric do you have to be to give up a room in your house to put your car in it?
Cars are supposed to be waterproof!
The other one for for garden furniture, tools, that sort of stuff. Cars are on the drive as its nice and safe here.
Tree houses, ground floor, obvs.
My initial thought was that the roots would be playing havoc with its foundations, so maybe raising it up to 1st floor level world solve that
Luckily the house is a decent distance away and a fair bit higher up.
Thanks, don’t need it myself but was intrigued what it looked like. I thought it would be a prop at the bottom so was thinking it would need to be a massive piece of wood/metal. By the looks of it they have attached the stems (?) higher up where there would be less torque.Stevo_666 said:@surrey_commuter
Bracing pics as requested. Not easy to see as the cables are a similar colour to the tree but you should be able to see the 'X' pattern of the 2 main cables."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Well see at the next mayoral elections. Hopefully he has annoyed enough Londoners and cost them enough money by then that he gets booted out.briantrumpet said:Maybe it's Khan's poll tax, sorry, 'community car charge'.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
On the face of it they do, but like most things they have a number of disadvantages which make them hard to implement, which also drives costs up. The main upside is from a design and packaging perspective they give greater freedom to the layout and ultimately interior space of a car.focuszing723 said:
Electric motors in the wheels, that does make sense.0 -
could they not learn from the world of cycling how to discreetly implement themwavefront said:
On the face of it they do, but like most things they have a number of disadvantages which make them hard to implement, which also drives costs up. The main upside is from a design and packaging perspective they give greater freedom to the layout and ultimately interior space of a car.focuszing723 said:
Electric motors in the wheels, that does make sense.0 -
I remember Red Ken's logic when he first introduced it which was that nobody driving into central london was going to vote for him anywayStevo_666 said:
Well see at the next mayoral elections. Hopefully he has annoyed enough Londoners and cost them enough money by then that he gets booted out.briantrumpet said:Maybe it's Khan's poll tax, sorry, 'community car charge'.
Sadiq does not seem to be so good at counting votes0 -
It's largely stop start out in Z5 as well. If 92% of vehicles comply with the ULEZ and this will probably increase with time, it's not going to be a big earner.Stevo_666 said:
The expanded ULEZ will go well beyond the areas where it s mostly slow/stop-start. Well outside of the London postcodes and beyond the M25 in some cases.monkimark said:I imagine that's a pretty poor choice for stop/start London traffic as well.
I used to regularly pass a Lambo when I cycled through Clapham, the guy in it never looked very happy.
Sadiq is clearly has a large hole to fill in his coffers.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
92% of vehicles already comply. Would seem to be enough to gain a majority. There's also the small issue of teh Onservatives putting people forward like Shaun Baileysurrey_commuter said:
I remember Red Ken's logic when he first introduced it which was that nobody driving into central london was going to vote for him anywayStevo_666 said:
Well see at the next mayoral elections. Hopefully he has annoyed enough Londoners and cost them enough money by then that he gets booted out.briantrumpet said:Maybe it's Khan's poll tax, sorry, 'community car charge'.
Sadiq does not seem to be so good at counting votes1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
What about London polling makes you think labour fear Tories in any way?surrey_commuter said:
I remember Red Ken's logic when he first introduced it which was that nobody driving into central london was going to vote for him anywayStevo_666 said:
Well see at the next mayoral elections. Hopefully he has annoyed enough Londoners and cost them enough money by then that he gets booted out.briantrumpet said:Maybe it's Khan's poll tax, sorry, 'community car charge'.
Sadiq does not seem to be so good at counting votes0 -
Our 20 year old petrol Focus is ULEZ compliant. Ford clearly adopted Euro 4 very early.
If it makes it through its upcoming MOT, and I concede that's a big if, I'll be heading for Canary Wharf to sell it to some unsuspecting city gent...0 -
I don't know much about motors, but there might be compromises by having them in the unsuspended part of the car? Also, the sort of rotor and stator cross sections they do for high performance motors are pretty intricate. Will it be possible to use the smallest and most efficient in a wheel? And if you can't will the efficiency benefits be outweighed?wavefront said:
On the face of it they do, but like most things they have a number of disadvantages which make them hard to implement, which also drives costs up. The main upside is from a design and packaging perspective they give greater freedom to the layout and ultimately interior space of a car.focuszing723 said:
Electric motors in the wheels, that does make sense.
We aren't going to see many hyper efficient lozenge shaped 3 wheelers on the roads, btw. If any.0 -
If you illustrated the changes in current and magnetic flux on the bottom one, it would be more interesting and make the top one look about as effective as moving a block of stone with a series of crowbars.pblakeney said:Top one is far more interesting to watch.
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Londoners were responsible for Johnson's rise up the political ranks.rick_chasey said:
What about London polling makes you think labour fear Tories in any way?surrey_commuter said:
I remember Red Ken's logic when he first introduced it which was that nobody driving into central london was going to vote for him anywayStevo_666 said:
Well see at the next mayoral elections. Hopefully he has annoyed enough Londoners and cost them enough money by then that he gets booted out.briantrumpet said:Maybe it's Khan's poll tax, sorry, 'community car charge'.
Sadiq does not seem to be so good at counting votes0 -
Get to it then. 😉First.Aspect said:
If you illustrated the changes in current and magnetic flux on the bottom one, it would be more interesting and make the top one look about as effective as moving a block of stone with a series of crowbars.pblakeney said:Top one is far more interesting to watch.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
That's quite a long time ago now.Pross said:
Londoners were responsible for Johnson's rise up the political ranks.rick_chasey said:
What about London polling makes you think labour fear Tories in any way?surrey_commuter said:
I remember Red Ken's logic when he first introduced it which was that nobody driving into central london was going to vote for him anywayStevo_666 said:
Well see at the next mayoral elections. Hopefully he has annoyed enough Londoners and cost them enough money by then that he gets booted out.briantrumpet said:Maybe it's Khan's poll tax, sorry, 'community car charge'.
Sadiq does not seem to be so good at counting votes0
