The Big 'Let's sell our cars and take buses/ebikes instead' thread (warning: probably very dull)
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Back in the day before tradesmen had vans they would get materials delivered by the supplier, there is no reason why we can't go back to that system.0
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What were they delivered with?davebradswmb said:Back in the day before tradesmen had vans they would get materials delivered by the supplier, there is no reason why we can't go back to that system.
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OK, so instead of the tradesman coming round in a van with the stuff he needs, a delivery person comes round in a van with the stuff he needs and the tradesman goes there separately. Not sure that helps much.davebradswmb said:Back in the day before tradesmen had vans they would get materials delivered by the supplier, there is no reason why we can't go back to that system.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]2 -
Because that was there was only limited number trades needed and they all local to work. My village had its own tailor, these days it no longer has shop or a school.davebradswmb said:Back in the day before tradesmen had vans they would get materials delivered by the supplier, there is no reason why we can't go back to that system.
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So the reason that people need cars is because tradesmen need vans?1
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yeah, right fella. run that past the builder's merchants and see what they say.davebradswmb said:Back in the day before tradesmen had vans they would get materials delivered by the supplier, there is no reason why we can't go back to that system.
you haven't thought this through have you?.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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an invoice, maybe a flask of tea if you knew the dude and it was cold, maybe anewspaper?First.Aspect said:
What were they delivered with?davebradswmb said:Back in the day before tradesmen had vans they would get materials delivered by the supplier, there is no reason why we can't go back to that system.
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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eh?davebradswmb said:
For most people the distance from home to work is also a choice they have made, based upon being able to drive there. If this was not an option they would make a different choice.Stevo_666 said:He does that work for someone who lives too far from work to cycle? Or trades people who need to take tools and equipment with them? For example.
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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exactly.Stevo_666 said:
So what we're saying is they're a bit like a van, but with a censored engine, no weather protection and much lower carrying capacity?MattFalle said:
the irony runs deep, Lukerick_chasey said:Car parking slots, usually.
plus no radio, no heating in a society that actively dislikes cyclists
they'll go down a storm..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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It doesn't seem that unusual for builders' merchants to deliver materials to projects.0
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And for a lot of people it isn't. Or maybe as has been said above, most people don't want to cycle. This being a cycling forum we are in a bit of a bubble here.davebradswmb said:
For most people the distance from home to work is also a choice they have made, based upon being able to drive there. If this was not an option they would make a different choice.Stevo_666 said:He does that work for someone who lives too far from work to cycle? Or trades people who need to take tools and equipment with them? For example.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
no - some people are in a bubble.Stevo_666 said:
And for a lot of people it isn't. Or maybe as has been said above, most people don't want to cycle. This being a cycling forum we are in a bit of a bubble here.davebradswmb said:
For most people the distance from home to work is also a choice they have made, based upon being able to drive there. If this was not an option they would make a different choice.Stevo_666 said:He does that work for someone who lives too far from work to cycle? Or trades people who need to take tools and equipment with them? For example.
some actually realise the real world..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Where's Cargobike when you need him?MattFalle said:
exactly.Stevo_666 said:
So what we're saying is they're a bit like a van, but with a censored engine, no weather protection and much lower carrying capacity?MattFalle said:
the irony runs deep, Lukerick_chasey said:Car parking slots, usually.
plus no radio, no heating in a society that actively dislikes cyclists
they'll go down a storm."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
pedalling up a friggin' massive hill against the wind and rain with your garage door in his bucket thing whildtbuilders chuck plastic bottles at him from his van.
either that or fighting drug dealers..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Surely the important question is why would you need a garage door without a car?1
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To keep the stuff inside secure? But that's getting away from the issue here.kingstongraham said:Surely the important question is why would you need a garage door without a car?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
because the MF that lives in there likes privacy..
The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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It seems that Team Status Quo Is Fine is finding all the reasons why we should just carry on as is, rather than considering how other options might work (with the right infrastructure, options and incentives), and help save the planet.
My petrolhead friend seemed to think that because I would like to reduce reliance on motorised transport that somehow I was suggesting that (for instance) motorised ambulances aren't a useful thing. Sooner or later habits and assumptions will have to change, and if they don't change sooner and by manageable degrees, then the jolt will be that much greater.2 -
That's no longer a garage though.Stevo_666 said:
To keep the stuff inside secure? But that's getting away from the issue here.kingstongraham said:Surely the important question is why would you need a garage door without a car?
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Sure, but they all arrive in one van, not four individual vans. Additional labour doesn't require additional motorised transport because they won't be carrying materials or any large tools.Stevo_666 said:
My point is about the tools and materials they need to bring to the job. Pretty much all needs motorised transport.rjsterry said:
Kent is more cut off than I realised 😀Stevo_666 said:
Had to google a bakfiet. Call me a cynic, but there may be a reason why they haven't caught on with the trade, especially around this time of year...rick_chasey said:
Housing is part of the problem.Stevo_666 said:
He does that work for someone who lives too far from work to cycle? Or trades people who need to take tools and equipment with them? For example.davebradswmb said:
I made it into work on my bike this morning, despite the pissing rain. People used to make it into work before there were cars. The bike is a viable alternative to cars for most commutes, not using a bike is a choice.pblakeney said:Possibly in the sunlit fantasy world.
Not so much in pissing January.
And a bakfiets can carry a lot. Not a solution to everything, but certainly can carry a lot.
Pretty much the entire London construction industry works without private cars because there's nowhere to put them. A typical small contractor has maybe a couple of vans. Labour arrives by public transport (you see plenty of guys with their small tools on the tube) and plant and materials are delivered direct.
Also we're not in London
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It's a useful place to store stuff. However its not really relevant to the argument as mentioned above.kingstongraham said:
That's no longer a garage though.Stevo_666 said:
To keep the stuff inside secure? But that's getting away from the issue here.kingstongraham said:Surely the important question is why would you need a garage door without a car?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
what is it then?kingstongraham said:
That's no longer a garage though.Stevo_666 said:
To keep the stuff inside secure? But that's getting away from the issue here.kingstongraham said:Surely the important question is why would you need a garage door without a car?
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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A shed? A room?MattFalle said:
what is it then?kingstongraham said:
That's no longer a garage though.Stevo_666 said:
To keep the stuff inside secure? But that's getting away from the issue here.kingstongraham said:Surely the important question is why would you need a garage door without a car?
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nope.kingstongraham said:
A shed? A room?MattFalle said:
what is it then?kingstongraham said:
That's no longer a garage though.Stevo_666 said:
To keep the stuff inside secure? But that's getting away from the issue here.kingstongraham said:Surely the important question is why would you need a garage door without a car?
try again..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Stevo - Graham says you live in a shed 🤣🤣🤣🤣.
The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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I was not making the assumption that the garage was attached to the house. If it's a separate garage, then without it storing a motor vehicle, it's a shed. If it is attached, then it's a room.MattFalle said:Stevo - Graham says you live in a shed 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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But why would you choose to have a storage room in your house that had a warehouse style door unless you had a motor vehicle to go in there?0
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Funnily enough most new houses in the expansion around here come with an attached "garage". They are too small to fit most cars in and open the doors. Ultimately owners have to pay to convert them to rooms. Madness.kingstongraham said:But why would you choose to have a storage room in your house that had a warehouse style door unless you had a motor vehicle to go in there?
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Is there not a minimum size a garage can be? Problem's only going to get worse as more people choose pointlessly bloated SUV type things....pblakeney said:
Funnily enough most new houses in the expansion around here come with an attached "garage". They are too small to fit most cars in and open the doors. Ultimately owners have to pay to convert them to rooms. Madness.
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I have an attached garage that you can’t get a car in to. Mainly because there is climbing 🧗♂️ wall in there.kingstongraham said:But why would you choose to have a storage room in your house that had a warehouse style door unless you had a motor vehicle to go in there?
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