The Big 'Let's sell our cars and take buses/ebikes instead' thread (warning: probably very dull)

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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    monkimark said:

    When I was in France over the summer, there were signs up at the tills saying max 1 jar per customer.
    According to my French cousin, it was like gold dust over there.

    Has already been alleviated apparently.
  • speaking of mustard... any idea why supermarkets no longer stock French mustard? I can find Dijon and English, but not the brown French one... it's been over a year now... thoughts?

    A quick google says it's in stock for 65p a jar in Sainsburys, Tesco and Asda. The same search also says that there's a big shortage in France due to a poor harvest of brown mustard seeds in Canada.
    Maybe they have it online, but deffo not in shops...
    left the forum March 2023
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463

    What are people's thoughts on spam?

    Good emergency fishing bait when the tackle shops are closed.
  • webboo
    webboo Posts: 6,087
    Pross said:

    What are people's thoughts on spam?

    Good emergency fishing bait when the tackle shops are closed.
    I would have thought even fish had better taste than that.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,554
    MattFalle said:

    Sometimes the answer, SC, is so obvious, you need to take a good hard look in the mirror.

    —-

    I know you like a censored graph but how does that help me identify a substitute for Lea and Perrins tomato and worcester sauce?
    Graph is on topic.

    And if you can't work out how to make a ketchup and worcester sauce yourself, then you are beyond help.
    are prawn cicktails still acceptable in Ricktopia, Rick?

    I mean in a non ironic utterly delish kinda way?
    They're more than acceptable. A regular Christmas Day starter in our house. We even have some Meakin crockery and original Tupperware for the full strength nostalgia hit.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,328
    edited December 2022
    rjsterry said:

    MattFalle said:

    Sometimes the answer, SC, is so obvious, you need to take a good hard look in the mirror.

    —-

    I know you like a censored graph but how does that help me identify a substitute for Lea and Perrins tomato and worcester sauce?
    Graph is on topic.

    And if you can't work out how to make a ketchup and worcester sauce yourself, then you are beyond help.
    are prawn cicktails still acceptable in Ricktopia, Rick?

    I mean in a non ironic utterly delish kinda way?
    They're more than acceptable. A regular Christmas Day starter in our house. We even have some Meakin crockery and original Tupperware for the full strength nostalgia hit.
    We go semi-nostalgic as we have prawns in Marie rose sauce without the salad part.
    Who wants leaves anyway? We replace them with smoked salmon.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.

  • These peeps are livin the fookin dream with this efficient, electric, solar, wheeled greatness.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
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    pblakeney said:

    rjsterry said:

    MattFalle said:

    Sometimes the answer, SC, is so obvious, you need to take a good hard look in the mirror.

    —-

    I know you like a censored graph but how does that help me identify a substitute for Lea and Perrins tomato and worcester sauce?
    Graph is on topic.

    And if you can't work out how to make a ketchup and worcester sauce yourself, then you are beyond help.
    are prawn cicktails still acceptable in Ricktopia, Rick?

    I mean in a non ironic utterly delish kinda way?
    They're more than acceptable. A regular Christmas Day starter in our house. We even have some Meakin crockery and original Tupperware for the full strength nostalgia hit.
    We go semi-nostalgic as we have prawns in Marie rose sauce without the salad part.
    Who wants leaves anyway? We replace them with smoked salmon.
    Advocado and prawns, Marie Rose sauce

    Total winner.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • photonic69
    photonic69 Posts: 2,799
    MattFalle said:

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    pblakeney said:

    rjsterry said:

    MattFalle said:

    Sometimes the answer, SC, is so obvious, you need to take a good hard look in the mirror.

    —-

    I know you like a censored graph but how does that help me identify a substitute for Lea and Perrins tomato and worcester sauce?
    Graph is on topic.

    And if you can't work out how to make a ketchup and worcester sauce yourself, then you are beyond help.
    are prawn cicktails still acceptable in Ricktopia, Rick?

    I mean in a non ironic utterly delish kinda way?
    They're more than acceptable. A regular Christmas Day starter in our house. We even have some Meakin crockery and original Tupperware for the full strength nostalgia hit.
    We go semi-nostalgic as we have prawns in Marie rose sauce without the salad part.
    Who wants leaves anyway? We replace them with smoked salmon.
    Advocado and prawns, Marie Rose sauce

    Total winner.
    That is so ‘Abigail’s Party’


    Sometimes. Maybe. Possibly.

  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644

    MattFalle said:

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    pblakeney said:

    rjsterry said:

    MattFalle said:

    Sometimes the answer, SC, is so obvious, you need to take a good hard look in the mirror.

    —-

    I know you like a censored graph but how does that help me identify a substitute for Lea and Perrins tomato and worcester sauce?
    Graph is on topic.

    And if you can't work out how to make a ketchup and worcester sauce yourself, then you are beyond help.
    are prawn cicktails still acceptable in Ricktopia, Rick?

    I mean in a non ironic utterly delish kinda way?
    They're more than acceptable. A regular Christmas Day starter in our house. We even have some Meakin crockery and original Tupperware for the full strength nostalgia hit.
    We go semi-nostalgic as we have prawns in Marie rose sauce without the salad part.
    Who wants leaves anyway? We replace them with smoked salmon.
    Advocado and prawns, Marie Rose sauce

    Total winner.
    That is so ‘Abigail’s Party’
    no.

    its so 1970s/80s food.

    next thing you'll be telling me that Moules a la creme is from Titanic.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Orwas itmeant as a good thing?

    I think I have only seen a different version of the one that you have.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • photonic69
    photonic69 Posts: 2,799
    MattFalle said:

    MattFalle said:

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    pblakeney said:

    rjsterry said:

    MattFalle said:

    Sometimes the answer, SC, is so obvious, you need to take a good hard look in the mirror.

    —-

    I know you like a censored graph but how does that help me identify a substitute for Lea and Perrins tomato and worcester sauce?
    Graph is on topic.

    And if you can't work out how to make a ketchup and worcester sauce yourself, then you are beyond help.
    are prawn cicktails still acceptable in Ricktopia, Rick?

    I mean in a non ironic utterly delish kinda way?
    They're more than acceptable. A regular Christmas Day starter in our house. We even have some Meakin crockery and original Tupperware for the full strength nostalgia hit.
    We go semi-nostalgic as we have prawns in Marie rose sauce without the salad part.
    Who wants leaves anyway? We replace them with smoked salmon.
    Advocado and prawns, Marie Rose sauce

    Total winner.
    That is so ‘Abigail’s Party’
    no.

    its so 1970s/80s food.

    Exactly. Mike Leigh 1977.
    Our house from 1976 till about 1985


    Sometimes. Maybe. Possibly.

  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644



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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    so upu need two bikes, psy more for your ticket and you can't travel when you want to.

    right-o
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle said:

    so upu need two bikes, psy more for your ticket and you can't travel when you want to.

    right-o

    Typical in Holland, you buy a 100 euro beater, lock it at the station multi-storey… people own more than one, it’s convenient, it’s not a bike you care for or maintain other than the odd tyre pump… eventually it will get stolen…mid it lasts 6 months, it paid for itself… often ends up in a canal and is then dredged and goes for metal recycling…
    Happy days

    left the forum March 2023
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,408
    How does this work outside the cities then? Same big hole in the 'solution' as was debated upthread.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,349
    Stevo_666 said:

    How does this work outside the cities then? Same big hole in the 'solution' as was debated upthread.


    'Countryside' will never be 'solved' in places like the UK & France (and probably everywhere else outside of my experience), but 'solving' the cities would make a big difference, and where it is most practical, even if the car-primacy mindset is going to take some shifting, both from institutional and individual perspectives. Certain cities already show how it can be done.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,408

    Stevo_666 said:

    How does this work outside the cities then? Same big hole in the 'solution' as was debated upthread.


    'Countryside' will never be 'solved' in places like the UK & France (and probably everywhere else outside of my experience), but 'solving' the cities would make a big difference, and where it is most practical, even if the car-primacy mindset is going to take some shifting, both from institutional and individual perspectives. Certain cities already show how it can be done.
    Pretty sure the big cities like London do not have the majority of journeys done by car. But regardless, there is still a gaping hole in Ricks argument as it ignores the needs of those outside of the Ricktopian city limits.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
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    MattFalle said:

    so upu need two bikes, psy more for your ticket and you can't travel when you want to.

    right-o

    Typical in Holland, you buy a 100 euro beater, lock it at the station multi-storey… people own more than one, it’s convenient, it’s not a bike you care for or maintain other than the odd tyre pump… eventually it will get stolen…mid it lasts 6 months, it paid for itself… often ends up in a canal and is then dredged and goes for metal recycling…
    Happy days

    but we don't live in Holland.

    and we don't have hundreds of Europes to throw around on old bicycles.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Remarkable how posting how other countries do it successfully is borderline troll worthy on here, a cycling forum.
  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,648
    Why on earth are solutions for cities derided as being not fit for the countryside?

    This only helps 90% of us! Scrap it!
    - Genesis Croix de Fer
    - Dolan Tuono
  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,648
    MattFalle said:

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    MattFalle said:

    so upu need two bikes, psy more for your ticket and you can't travel when you want to.

    right-o

    Typical in Holland, you buy a 100 euro beater, lock it at the station multi-storey… people own more than one, it’s convenient, it’s not a bike you care for or maintain other than the odd tyre pump… eventually it will get stolen…mid it lasts 6 months, it paid for itself… often ends up in a canal and is then dredged and goes for metal recycling…
    Happy days

    but we don't live in Holland.

    and we don't have hundreds of Europes to throw around on old bicycles.
    Are there any major UK cities left where you can't arrive at the station and rent a scooter/bike for the remaining mile of your journey?
    - Genesis Croix de Fer
    - Dolan Tuono
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,328
    pangolin said:

    MattFalle said:

    .

    MattFalle said:

    so upu need two bikes, psy more for your ticket and you can't travel when you want to.

    right-o

    Typical in Holland, you buy a 100 euro beater, lock it at the station multi-storey… people own more than one, it’s convenient, it’s not a bike you care for or maintain other than the odd tyre pump… eventually it will get stolen…mid it lasts 6 months, it paid for itself… often ends up in a canal and is then dredged and goes for metal recycling…
    Happy days

    but we don't live in Holland.

    and we don't have hundreds of Europes to throw around on old bicycles.
    Are there any major UK cities left where you can't arrive at the station and rent a scooter/bike for the remaining mile of your journey?
    I'd say that in simple terms the options are there.
    The fact is that the British public are simply not interested in using them.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • mully79
    mully79 Posts: 904
    2025 electric cars to pay £165 road tax plus luxury car tax at £355 (as most are probably over £40k)
    Cheaper to sell your electric motor and buy an old diesel !
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    mully79 said:

    2025 electric cars to pay £165 road tax plus luxury car tax at £355 (as most are probably over £40k)
    Cheaper to sell your electric motor and buy an old diesel !

    The economics of electric are definitely becoming less favourable as time goes on.

    A couple of years back, I was leaning towards. Not so much now. 2030 is a ticking clock but, unless something starts happening with charging infrastructure on a much larger scale and quickly, I can’t see 2030 happening.*

    Unless the manufacturers have already shifted production fully over. In which case used ice cars become more valuable.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644

    Remarkable how posting how other countries do it successfully is borderline troll worthy on here, a cycling forum.

    because we're realists discussing it openly not living blindly in Ricktopia.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,408
    pangolin said:

    Why on earth are solutions for cities derided as being not fit for the countryside?

    This only helps 90% of us! Scrap it!

    Fine for the big cities, unfortunately Rick isn't interested in anywhere else. But not to worry, we have a great solution for the rest of the country called 'cars'.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited January 2023
    MattFalle said:

    Remarkable how posting how other countries do it successfully is borderline troll worthy on here, a cycling forum.

    because we're realists discussing it openly not living blindly in Ricktopia.
    Holland was extremely car centric until the 70s.

    We’ve already seen some minor success with LTNs.

    We are literally running out of space and resources for cars. None of the arguments presented here addresses that challenge. Roads can only be so big, and as we become more and more urbanised, there is an increasing restriction on space to store cars near where the owners are.

    Nor is there enough refinable metals for every existing car to be replaced with batteries, and plainly burning fossil fuels is also not sustainable. Plus, for the next decade there is a geopolitical challenge that China refines the vast majority of the metals to a point that that can be used in batteries (around 70-90% depending on the metal) so there is real geopolitical exposure there. China can’t be bossed about like the petrostates can, bluntly.

    So unless you can find good arguments against those, the future of general transport cannot fundamentally be orientated around cars as it currently is.

    That’s the situation. So if you don’t agree with my train/bike focus, what alternative are you proposing?