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  • seanoconnseanoconn Posts: 10,150

    Fair play the Saudis executed well.

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  • You canโ€™t go down as the greatest of you havenโ€™t at least performed at a World Cup


    It is the age old argument I guess, do you need international success the be hailed as the greatest ever (assuming Messi does not win the WC). I know plenty of people point to the career overall, and Messi is exemplary at club level, but you have to factor in he was in one of the greatest club sides of all time.

    Old Diego, as you say, won a WC on his own and also dragged Napoli from nothing to double league winners and a UEFA cup.

    My personal vote would always be Maradona over Messi but you could call it either way.
  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 52,894
    seanoconn said:

    The Messi effect leads Argentina to be constantly overrated. For all his brilliance he has been surrounded by a lot of very average team mates over the years. No matter how good he is, he can't win everything on his own.

    He's also played pretty poorly at most World Cups he's been to.
    Maradona practically won by himself in 86.

    You could say he won it single handed.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 65,367 Lives Here

    The Messi effect leads Argentina to be constantly overrated. For all his brilliance he has been surrounded by a lot of very average team mates over the years. No matter how good he is, he can't win everything on his own.

    He's also played pretty poorly at most World Cups he's been to.
    It's the biggest argument Ronaldo has over Messi in that (rather stupid) debate.
  • TashmanTashman Posts: 3,074
    It's also the debate that excludes old Georgie Best from the conversations. The real greatest footballer you never saw though, is obviously Robin Friday :)
    https://amazon.co.uk/Greatest-Footballer-You-Never-Saw/dp/1840181087
  • Tashman said:

    It's also the debate that excludes old Georgie Best from the conversations. The real greatest footballer you never saw though, is obviously Robin Friday :)
    https://amazon.co.uk/Greatest-Footballer-You-Never-Saw/dp/1840181087

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  • seanoconnseanoconn Posts: 10,150

    The Messi effect leads Argentina to be constantly overrated. For all his brilliance he has been surrounded by a lot of very average team mates over the years. No matter how good he is, he can't win everything on his own.

    He's also played pretty poorly at most World Cups he's been to.
    It's the biggest argument Ronaldo has over Messi in that (rather stupid) debate.
    Iโ€™m what way?
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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 65,367 Lives Here
    seanoconn said:

    The Messi effect leads Argentina to be constantly overrated. For all his brilliance he has been surrounded by a lot of very average team mates over the years. No matter how good he is, he can't win everything on his own.

    He's also played pretty poorly at most World Cups he's been to.
    It's the biggest argument Ronaldo has over Messi in that (rather stupid) debate.
    Iโ€™m what way?
    Less the case now that Argentina won the Americas cup, but Ronaldo has regularly put the Portugese team on his back and strong armed them into winning, eventually winning the Euros.

    Couldn't really say the same for Messi for Argentina, though he was very good when they did win the Americas cup with him.
  • mrb123mrb123 Posts: 4,048

    seanoconn said:

    The Messi effect leads Argentina to be constantly overrated. For all his brilliance he has been surrounded by a lot of very average team mates over the years. No matter how good he is, he can't win everything on his own.

    He's also played pretty poorly at most World Cups he's been to.
    It's the biggest argument Ronaldo has over Messi in that (rather stupid) debate.
    Iโ€™m what way?
    Less the case now that Argentina won the Americas cup, but Ronaldo has regularly put the Portugese team on his back and strong armed them into winning, eventually winning the Euros.

    Couldn't really say the same for Messi for Argentina, though he was very good when they did win the Americas cup with him.
    If Messi can do sailing too then he's definitely the GOAT.

  • ProssPross Posts: 34,823
    Decent match this one.
  • ProssPross Posts: 34,823
    The effects mics are really getting on my nerves. Last night it was some Yank just booing everything, the Argentina game earlier had some woman sounding like she was having an orgasm and in this game it is constant whistling. I've never noticed individuals coming through quite so much previously.
  • First.AspectFirst.Aspect Posts: 11,490
    Not exactly raining goals today.
  • First.AspectFirst.Aspect Posts: 11,490
    But on the plus side, Ronaldo has left United.
  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 52,894

    But on the plus side, Ronaldo has left United.

    I hope we don't get him.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • seanoconnseanoconn Posts: 10,150
    Stevo_666 said:

    But on the plus side, Ronaldo has left United.

    I hope we don't get him.
    Donโ€™t think anyone wants him. USA or China the best bet.
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  • Can't he just move in with Morgan?
  • Ronaldo seems fairly switched on, so I am suprised he is deluded enough to think he is not surplus to requirements now he is past his peak. I guess ego and hubris has got in the way.
  • First.AspectFirst.Aspect Posts: 11,490
    Perhaps he'll go to Newcastle or something daft like that. Or Sporting.
  • orraloonorraloon Posts: 11,201

    Ronaldo seems fairly switched on, so I am suprised he is deluded enough to think he is not surplus to requirements now he is past his peak. I guess ego and hubris has got in the way.

    ยฃ500k per week could be an influencer.
  • First.AspectFirst.Aspect Posts: 11,490
    Only united are stupid enough to pay that. And I suspect what's actually happened is they've terminated his contract because he was in breach of it, so what he used to earn a week might not matter. He is now a pita 38 year old destroyer of team spirit.
  • I suspect his ego will dictate that he wants a big club but can't see (m)any even contemplate his wage demands.

    Heard Chelsea were very keen in the summer. Doubt Potter would want him but Boehly might just get carried away and want a bit of attention....
  • First.AspectFirst.Aspect Posts: 11,490
    Might depend on whether Messi goes back to Barca in the summer.
  • Wherever he goes it'll end up being toxic.

    He'll probably demand some kind of a play every game clause in his new contract so he doesn't have to go through the frustration of warming the bench.

    He'll be on more money than the current highest earner at his new club.

    And for what return? Week in week out average and often sulky performances.

    I agree that he'll probably finish off at some US or Chinese league club, possibly even a middle eastern team on a million a week!
  • ddraverddraver Posts: 25,186
    France FC playing rather like France RFC...

    Bad sign for everyone else! ๐Ÿซฃ
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • orraloonorraloon Posts: 11,201
    Moneyball is a bit tedious is it not? Have France v Oz playing in background, even the commentators sound bored.

    And now a goal. Excitement level goes up to...4? Are the 'fans' on electro shockers to keep them quiet? Or are they all so pisxed they're asleep?

    And another Giroud goal. Still sounds like there are 150 supporters there.
  • tailwindhometailwindhome Posts: 18,147
    France arent dicking around here

    Believe that a farther shore
    Is reachable from here.
    Believe in miracles
    And cures and healing wells
  • Dorset_BoyDorset_Boy Posts: 5,713
    France - scary attack, but far from convinced by their defence. With marginally better finishing the Aussie would have had at least 3.
  • seanoconnseanoconn Posts: 10,150
    2 levels up from a different level. Amazing. Watching that clip you wonder why he bothered passing to his teammates.
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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 65,367 Lives Here
    Think the saudi game took all of yesterday's fun quota.

    I wonder if the shift in calendar has helped the top European teams.

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