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It is the age old argument I guess, do you need international success the be hailed as the greatest ever (assuming Messi does not win the WC). I know plenty of people point to the career overall, and Messi is exemplary at club level, but you have to factor in he was in one of the greatest club sides of all time.
Old Diego, as you say, won a WC on his own and also dragged Napoli from nothing to double league winners and a UEFA cup.
My personal vote would always be Maradona over Messi but you could call it either way.
The Messi effect leads Argentina to be constantly overrated. For all his brilliance he has been surrounded by a lot of very average team mates over the years. No matter how good he is, he can't win everything on his own.
He's also played pretty poorly at most World Cups he's been to.
Maradona practically won by himself in 86.
You could say he won it single handed.
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The Messi effect leads Argentina to be constantly overrated. For all his brilliance he has been surrounded by a lot of very average team mates over the years. No matter how good he is, he can't win everything on his own.
He's also played pretty poorly at most World Cups he's been to.
It's the biggest argument Ronaldo has over Messi in that (rather stupid) debate.
The Messi effect leads Argentina to be constantly overrated. For all his brilliance he has been surrounded by a lot of very average team mates over the years. No matter how good he is, he can't win everything on his own.
He's also played pretty poorly at most World Cups he's been to.
It's the biggest argument Ronaldo has over Messi in that (rather stupid) debate.
The Messi effect leads Argentina to be constantly overrated. For all his brilliance he has been surrounded by a lot of very average team mates over the years. No matter how good he is, he can't win everything on his own.
He's also played pretty poorly at most World Cups he's been to.
It's the biggest argument Ronaldo has over Messi in that (rather stupid) debate.
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Less the case now that Argentina won the Americas cup, but Ronaldo has regularly put the Portugese team on his back and strong armed them into winning, eventually winning the Euros.
Couldn't really say the same for Messi for Argentina, though he was very good when they did win the Americas cup with him.
The Messi effect leads Argentina to be constantly overrated. For all his brilliance he has been surrounded by a lot of very average team mates over the years. No matter how good he is, he can't win everything on his own.
He's also played pretty poorly at most World Cups he's been to.
It's the biggest argument Ronaldo has over Messi in that (rather stupid) debate.
Iโm what way?
Less the case now that Argentina won the Americas cup, but Ronaldo has regularly put the Portugese team on his back and strong armed them into winning, eventually winning the Euros.
Couldn't really say the same for Messi for Argentina, though he was very good when they did win the Americas cup with him.
If Messi can do sailing too then he's definitely the GOAT.
The effects mics are really getting on my nerves. Last night it was some Yank just booing everything, the Argentina game earlier had some woman sounding like she was having an orgasm and in this game it is constant whistling. I've never noticed individuals coming through quite so much previously.
Ronaldo seems fairly switched on, so I am suprised he is deluded enough to think he is not surplus to requirements now he is past his peak. I guess ego and hubris has got in the way.
Ronaldo seems fairly switched on, so I am suprised he is deluded enough to think he is not surplus to requirements now he is past his peak. I guess ego and hubris has got in the way.
Only united are stupid enough to pay that. And I suspect what's actually happened is they've terminated his contract because he was in breach of it, so what he used to earn a week might not matter. He is now a pita 38 year old destroyer of team spirit.
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It is the age old argument I guess, do you need international success the be hailed as the greatest ever (assuming Messi does not win the WC). I know plenty of people point to the career overall, and Messi is exemplary at club level, but you have to factor in he was in one of the greatest club sides of all time.
Old Diego, as you say, won a WC on his own and also dragged Napoli from nothing to double league winners and a UEFA cup.
My personal vote would always be Maradona over Messi but you could call it either way.
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Couldn't really say the same for Messi for Argentina, though he was very good when they did win the Americas cup with him.
Heard Chelsea were very keen in the summer. Doubt Potter would want him but Boehly might just get carried away and want a bit of attention....
He'll probably demand some kind of a play every game clause in his new contract so he doesn't have to go through the frustration of warming the bench.
He'll be on more money than the current highest earner at his new club.
And for what return? Week in week out average and often sulky performances.
I agree that he'll probably finish off at some US or Chinese league club, possibly even a middle eastern team on a million a week!
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And now a goal. Excitement level goes up to...4? Are the 'fans' on electro shockers to keep them quiet? Or are they all so pisxed they're asleep?
And another Giroud goal. Still sounds like there are 150 supporters there.
Is reachable from here.
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Different level.
I wonder if the shift in calendar has helped the top European teams.