The actual I am watching the World Cup thread. No, non World Cup watchers please. Spoilers.
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You can’t go down as the greatest of you haven’t at least performed at a World Cup
It is the age old argument I guess, do you need international success the be hailed as the greatest ever (assuming Messi does not win the WC). I know plenty of people point to the career overall, and Messi is exemplary at club level, but you have to factor in he was in one of the greatest club sides of all time.
Old Diego, as you say, won a WC on his own and also dragged Napoli from nothing to double league winners and a UEFA cup.
My personal vote would always be Maradona over Messi but you could call it either way.0 -
You could say he won it single handed.seanoconn said:
Maradona practically won by himself in 86.Dorset_Boy said:
He's also played pretty poorly at most World Cups he's been to.MidlandsGrimpeur2 said:The Messi effect leads Argentina to be constantly overrated. For all his brilliance he has been surrounded by a lot of very average team mates over the years. No matter how good he is, he can't win everything on his own.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]2 -
It's the biggest argument Ronaldo has over Messi in that (rather stupid) debate.Dorset_Boy said:
He's also played pretty poorly at most World Cups he's been to.MidlandsGrimpeur2 said:The Messi effect leads Argentina to be constantly overrated. For all his brilliance he has been surrounded by a lot of very average team mates over the years. No matter how good he is, he can't win everything on his own.
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It's also the debate that excludes old Georgie Best from the conversations. The real greatest footballer you never saw though, is obviously Robin Friday
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The Man Don’t Give A F**k 😉Tashman said:It's also the debate that excludes old Georgie Best from the conversations. The real greatest footballer you never saw though, is obviously Robin Friday
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I’m what way?rick_chasey said:
It's the biggest argument Ronaldo has over Messi in that (rather stupid) debate.Dorset_Boy said:
He's also played pretty poorly at most World Cups he's been to.MidlandsGrimpeur2 said:The Messi effect leads Argentina to be constantly overrated. For all his brilliance he has been surrounded by a lot of very average team mates over the years. No matter how good he is, he can't win everything on his own.
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Less the case now that Argentina won the Americas cup, but Ronaldo has regularly put the Portugese team on his back and strong armed them into winning, eventually winning the Euros.seanoconn said:
I’m what way?rick_chasey said:
It's the biggest argument Ronaldo has over Messi in that (rather stupid) debate.Dorset_Boy said:
He's also played pretty poorly at most World Cups he's been to.MidlandsGrimpeur2 said:The Messi effect leads Argentina to be constantly overrated. For all his brilliance he has been surrounded by a lot of very average team mates over the years. No matter how good he is, he can't win everything on his own.
Couldn't really say the same for Messi for Argentina, though he was very good when they did win the Americas cup with him.0 -
If Messi can do sailing too then he's definitely the GOAT.rick_chasey said:
Less the case now that Argentina won the Americas cup, but Ronaldo has regularly put the Portugese team on his back and strong armed them into winning, eventually winning the Euros.seanoconn said:
I’m what way?rick_chasey said:
It's the biggest argument Ronaldo has over Messi in that (rather stupid) debate.Dorset_Boy said:
He's also played pretty poorly at most World Cups he's been to.MidlandsGrimpeur2 said:The Messi effect leads Argentina to be constantly overrated. For all his brilliance he has been surrounded by a lot of very average team mates over the years. No matter how good he is, he can't win everything on his own.
Couldn't really say the same for Messi for Argentina, though he was very good when they did win the Americas cup with him.
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Decent match this one.0
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The effects mics are really getting on my nerves. Last night it was some Yank just booing everything, the Argentina game earlier had some woman sounding like she was having an orgasm and in this game it is constant whistling. I've never noticed individuals coming through quite so much previously.0
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Not exactly raining goals today.0
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But on the plus side, Ronaldo has left United.0
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I hope we don't get him.First.Aspect said:But on the plus side, Ronaldo has left United.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Don’t think anyone wants him. USA or China the best bet.Stevo_666 said:
I hope we don't get him.First.Aspect said:But on the plus side, Ronaldo has left United.
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Can't he just move in with Morgan?0
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Ronaldo seems fairly switched on, so I am suprised he is deluded enough to think he is not surplus to requirements now he is past his peak. I guess ego and hubris has got in the way.0
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Perhaps he'll go to Newcastle or something daft like that. Or Sporting.0
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£500k per week could be an influencer.MidlandsGrimpeur2 said:Ronaldo seems fairly switched on, so I am suprised he is deluded enough to think he is not surplus to requirements now he is past his peak. I guess ego and hubris has got in the way.
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Only united are stupid enough to pay that. And I suspect what's actually happened is they've terminated his contract because he was in breach of it, so what he used to earn a week might not matter. He is now a pita 38 year old destroyer of team spirit.0
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I suspect his ego will dictate that he wants a big club but can't see (m)any even contemplate his wage demands.
Heard Chelsea were very keen in the summer. Doubt Potter would want him but Boehly might just get carried away and want a bit of attention....0 -
Might depend on whether Messi goes back to Barca in the summer.0
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Wherever he goes it'll end up being toxic.
He'll probably demand some kind of a play every game clause in his new contract so he doesn't have to go through the frustration of warming the bench.
He'll be on more money than the current highest earner at his new club.
And for what return? Week in week out average and often sulky performances.
I agree that he'll probably finish off at some US or Chinese league club, possibly even a middle eastern team on a million a week!0 -
Moneyball is a bit tedious is it not? Have France v Oz playing in background, even the commentators sound bored.
And now a goal. Excitement level goes up to...4? Are the 'fans' on electro shockers to keep them quiet? Or are they all so pisxed they're asleep?
And another Giroud goal. Still sounds like there are 150 supporters there.0 -
France arent dicking around here
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
France - scary attack, but far from convinced by their defence. With marginally better finishing the Aussie would have had at least 3.0
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2 levels up from a different level. Amazing. Watching that clip you wonder why he bothered passing to his teammates.skyblueamateur said:Pinno, מלך אידיוט וחרא מכונאי0 -
Think the saudi game took all of yesterday's fun quota.
I wonder if the shift in calendar has helped the top European teams.
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