Musky
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Talk the talk or walk the walk?0
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Good for you, though it shouldn't make you holier than thou.rick_chasey said:
What can I say, I've actually put my money where my mouth is. Servicing companies which are doing something proactive around sustainability, the energy transition and other responsible behaviour. Even better, I've set this whole new area in my business up from scratch. So anything and everything we do in this space is down to me.pinno said:rick_chasey said:
Bet my entire career that the world gets serious about the energy transition. In my little corner of a corner of the market, I am exclusively focused on sustainability. I spend a lot of time thinking about it when i'm on the plane...orraloon said:
So, what are you doing?rick_chasey said:Oh Musk is a pr!ck, but I hate this sort of concerned-but-won't-do-anything-about-it stuff.
Throwing your arms up and going "pfft, isn't everyone else awful?"
That's better than 99% of people who sit there whining about the world ending because of human behaviour but not doing anything proactive about it themselves.
Go wang on about all your various porsches and how everyone else is a hypocrite. That'll help.
Anyway, you know my carbon footprint is negative plus I only drive 8k pa, most of it in a BMW averaging 44mpg.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
Did not have a green p***ing contest on my bingo card 😁.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition1 -
How will we decide who wins the green halo here?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1
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Why does it need to be hard?TheBigBean said:If people are making money out of it, then it's easy. It's when they are not that it's tricky.
Making it easy is the route to success0 -
It's not about holier than thou, it's more about the not liking the attitude from people like you who think they are holier because they do some nonsense at the margins of their own behaviour that will make f*ck all difference, even in the aggregate, and they talk about how they care about wildlife, as if that even matters.pinno said:
Good for you, though it shouldn't make you holier than thou.rick_chasey said:
What can I say, I've actually put my money where my mouth is. Servicing companies which are doing something proactive around sustainability, the energy transition and other responsible behaviour. Even better, I've set this whole new area in my business up from scratch. So anything and everything we do in this space is down to me.pinno said:rick_chasey said:
Bet my entire career that the world gets serious about the energy transition. In my little corner of a corner of the market, I am exclusively focused on sustainability. I spend a lot of time thinking about it when i'm on the plane...orraloon said:
So, what are you doing?rick_chasey said:Oh Musk is a pr!ck, but I hate this sort of concerned-but-won't-do-anything-about-it stuff.
Throwing your arms up and going "pfft, isn't everyone else awful?"
That's better than 99% of people who sit there whining about the world ending because of human behaviour but not doing anything proactive about it themselves.
Go wang on about all your various porsches and how everyone else is a hypocrite. That'll help.
Anyway, you know my carbon footprint is negative plus I only drive 8k pa, most of it in a BMW averaging 44mpg.
I don't go around telling people they're bad for the environment or that everyone else is the problem apart from me.
I recognise it's a basic political problem and a problem of aligning incentives, and I will not have a go at anyone for responding rationally to incentives. It's up to the leaders in this world, both actual politicians but also leaders in individual fields, however large or small, to work to set the system up in a way that rewards sustainable behaviour.
It is a transition and it will not happen overnight > it'll almost certainly happen after large swathes of this forum passes away. But there are a lot of people who are working on that, and I am privileged enough in my professional life people to meet those people on a daily basis - not because they are somehow heroes, but because they understand the basics of delivery, commerce and incentives, and can balance the strategic and details of sustainability in their field.0 -
A simple reminder that this tangent was about Musky sending multiple mahoosive rockets into the sky at a cost of billions in an effort to get to Mars.
It was not about our individual actions.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
It is ironic that someone who made such a success out of the desire and anticipation that electrification is a critical part of the transition, is so disinterested in it.0
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My point being that I have more respect for someone who sacrifices a lot to make the world a better place than for someone who makes the world a better place because it makes them rich. That is not to say that I think it is wrong to incentivise people with money to make the world a better place, but that putting the incentives in place is the really good bit.rick_chasey said:
Why does it need to be hard?TheBigBean said:If people are making money out of it, then it's easy. It's when they are not that it's tricky.
Making it easy is the route to success0 -
lol this is where we differ. I couldn't give a sh!t why they do something. I'm interested in their output. If it's good for the world, great. If they get rewarded for it, so much the better - someone else will want to get that reward too. Win win.TheBigBean said:
My point being that I have more respect for someone who sacrifices a lot to make the world a better place than for someone who makes the world a better place because it makes them rich. That is not to say that I think it is wrong to incentivise people with money to make the world a better place, but that putting the incentives in place is the really good bit.rick_chasey said:
Why does it need to be hard?TheBigBean said:If people are making money out of it, then it's easy. It's when they are not that it's tricky.
Making it easy is the route to success0 -
'...some nonsense... at the margins of their own behaviour...'rick_chasey said:
It's not about holier than thou, it's more about the not liking the attitude from people like you who think they are holier because they do some nonsense at the margins of their own behaviour that will make f*ck all difference, even in the aggregate, and they talk about how they care about wildlife, as if that even matters.pinno said:
Good for you, though it shouldn't make you holier than thou.rick_chasey said:
What can I say, I've actually put my money where my mouth is. Servicing companies which are doing something proactive around sustainability, the energy transition and other responsible behaviour. Even better, I've set this whole new area in my business up from scratch. So anything and everything we do in this space is down to me.pinno said:rick_chasey said:
Bet my entire career that the world gets serious about the energy transition. In my little corner of a corner of the market, I am exclusively focused on sustainability. I spend a lot of time thinking about it when i'm on the plane...orraloon said:
So, what are you doing?rick_chasey said:Oh Musk is a pr!ck, but I hate this sort of concerned-but-won't-do-anything-about-it stuff.
Throwing your arms up and going "pfft, isn't everyone else awful?"
That's better than 99% of people who sit there whining about the world ending because of human behaviour but not doing anything proactive about it themselves.
Go wang on about all your various porsches and how everyone else is a hypocrite. That'll help.
Anyway, you know my carbon footprint is negative plus I only drive 8k pa, most of it in a BMW averaging 44mpg.
You couldn't be more condescending or wrong.
As far as the caring about wildlife is concerned, it is deeply wrapped up in the preservation of habitat.
Habitat after all, is what keeps us humans alive.
seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
Yeah you don't need to "love wildlife" to understand the importance of biodiversity to sustainability.pinno said:
'...some nonsense... at the margins of their own behaviour...'rick_chasey said:
It's not about holier than thou, it's more about the not liking the attitude from people like you who think they are holier because they do some nonsense at the margins of their own behaviour that will make f*ck all difference, even in the aggregate, and they talk about how they care about wildlife, as if that even matters.pinno said:
Good for you, though it shouldn't make you holier than thou.rick_chasey said:
What can I say, I've actually put my money where my mouth is. Servicing companies which are doing something proactive around sustainability, the energy transition and other responsible behaviour. Even better, I've set this whole new area in my business up from scratch. So anything and everything we do in this space is down to me.pinno said:rick_chasey said:
Bet my entire career that the world gets serious about the energy transition. In my little corner of a corner of the market, I am exclusively focused on sustainability. I spend a lot of time thinking about it when i'm on the plane...orraloon said:
So, what are you doing?rick_chasey said:Oh Musk is a pr!ck, but I hate this sort of concerned-but-won't-do-anything-about-it stuff.
Throwing your arms up and going "pfft, isn't everyone else awful?"
That's better than 99% of people who sit there whining about the world ending because of human behaviour but not doing anything proactive about it themselves.
Go wang on about all your various porsches and how everyone else is a hypocrite. That'll help.
Anyway, you know my carbon footprint is negative plus I only drive 8k pa, most of it in a BMW averaging 44mpg.
You couldn't be more condescending or wrong.
As far as the caring about wildlife is concerned, it is deeply wrapped up in the preservation of habitat.
Habitat after all, is what keeps us humans alive.
You can just not care yourself but recognise the importance.0 -
From the amount of sponsored ad posts and cr@p on the 'For you' feed I'm blocking on TwiXer, I get the feeling that Musk is desperate to push content. Even when I've blcked multiple accounts dedicated to American Football and basketball, the posts keep on popping up... but it's still quite satisfying blocking them.0
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Good old Elon at an Event told advertisers they can "go fvck themselves"
later in the same interview he aid that it would be advertisers who bankrupt Twitter
He does not sound very well0 -
I thought that was just me!briantrumpet said:From the amount of sponsored ad posts and cr@p on the 'For you' feed I'm blocking on TwiXer, I get the feeling that Musk is desperate to push content. Even when I've blcked multiple accounts dedicated to American Football and basketball, the posts keep on popping up... but it's still quite satisfying blocking them.
I've managed to divert NFL and NBA, but am now in the crosshairs of the Twitter algorithm that thinks I'm interested in Ukrainian military history or in detailed "scoring" in relation to atrocities in the Middle East.0 -
could regular Musk watchers tell us if this is normal?
to me he looks on the edge of a breakdown
https://youtu.be/U_M_uvDChJQ 0 -
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In a crossover to the economics thread, it reminds me that people who are capable of putting in a few billion on a whim (his investors/lenders) don't necessarily do it very well. I can't imagine doing that in a way that would allow Musk to still be involved.0
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It's quite disturbing to watch. He does not seem strongly connected with the world outside.surrey_commuter said:could regular Musk watchers tell us if this is normal?
to me he looks on the edge of a breakdownhttps://youtu.be/U_M_uvDChJQ1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
rjsterry said:
It's quite disturbing to watch. He does not seem strongly connected with the world outside.surrey_commuter said:could regular Musk watchers tell us if this is normal?
to me he looks on the edge of a breakdownhttps://youtu.be/U_M_uvDChJQ
I actually could only watch a couple of minutes. Even with the volume turned down he looks nuts. Deeply bizarre.0 -
Yes, it's a shame there are any followers of Mr Musk's greatness frequenting this forum. Maybe they could explain the lack of fear to risk a two hundred billion dollar fortune (Zip2/PayPal) not once but twice with SpaceX and Tesla.surrey_commuter said:could regular Musk watchers tell us if this is normal?
to me he looks on the edge of a breakdownhttps://youtu.be/U_M_uvDChJQ
Start filtering yourself, become scared to speak do your mind/goals. Would you risk everything with that attitude and consequently lead an alternate cushy life?
I don't know... He's here in his mold.0 -
Because he's an egomaniac?focuszing723 said:
Yes, it's a shame there are any followers of Mr Musk's greatness frequenting this forum. Maybe they could explain the lack of fear to risk a two hundred billion dollar fortune (Zip2/PayPal) not once but twice with SpaceX and Tesla.surrey_commuter said:could regular Musk watchers tell us if this is normal?
to me he looks on the edge of a breakdownhttps://youtu.be/U_M_uvDChJQ
Start filtering yourself, become scared to speak do your mind/goals. Would you risk everything with that attitude and consequently lead an alternate cushy life?
I don't know... He's here in his mold.
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You sound less coherent than Musk, which is an achievement.focuszing723 said:
Yes, it's a shame there are any followers of Mr Musk's greatness frequenting this forum. Maybe they could explain the lack of fear to risk a two hundred billion dollar fortune (Zip2/PayPal) not once but twice with SpaceX and Tesla.surrey_commuter said:could regular Musk watchers tell us if this is normal?
to me he looks on the edge of a breakdownhttps://youtu.be/U_M_uvDChJQ
Start filtering yourself, become scared to speak do your mind/goals. Would you risk everything with that attitude and consequently lead an alternate cushy life?
I don't know... He's here in his mold.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Whatever, sticks and stones.rjsterry said:
You sound less coherent than Musk, which is an achievement.focuszing723 said:
Yes, it's a shame there are any followers of Mr Musk's greatness frequenting this forum. Maybe they could explain the lack of fear to risk a two hundred billion dollar fortune (Zip2/PayPal) not once but twice with SpaceX and Tesla.surrey_commuter said:could regular Musk watchers tell us if this is normal?
to me he looks on the edge of a breakdownhttps://youtu.be/U_M_uvDChJQ
Start filtering yourself, become scared to speak do your mind/goals. Would you risk everything with that attitude and consequently lead an alternate cushy life?
I don't know... He's here in his mold.0 -
It did hurt a bit though, I feel quite sad now.0
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And I felt Christmassy, December the first and all that.0
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I just meant I couldn't make sense of what you wrote. Risk taking has it's place in challenging received wisdom of what can and can't be done. But he doesn't seem to have any awareness of when that risk taking is beneficial and when it's harmful to his business. Telling your major customers to f*** off because they don't like what you've done with the product is just stupid. Trying to suggest that your customers are responsible for whether your business is doing well is just not being honest with yourself.focuszing723 said:
Whatever, sticks and stones.rjsterry said:
You sound less coherent than Musk, which is an achievement.focuszing723 said:
Yes, it's a shame there are any followers of Mr Musk's greatness frequenting this forum. Maybe they could explain the lack of fear to risk a two hundred billion dollar fortune (Zip2/PayPal) not once but twice with SpaceX and Tesla.surrey_commuter said:could regular Musk watchers tell us if this is normal?
to me he looks on the edge of a breakdownhttps://youtu.be/U_M_uvDChJQ
Start filtering yourself, become scared to speak do your mind/goals. Would you risk everything with that attitude and consequently lead an alternate cushy life?
I don't know... He's here in his mold.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
It cheers me up that Musk got community noted on past in which he 'questioned' (aka disparaged) a community note. How long before he decides he doesn't like community notes?
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