Will Smith at the Oscars

rjsterry

Dorset_Boy said:

So you seem to now condone bullying in the work place then Rick? After all, you said in your previous post:
People take the p!ss at work all the time. If you're the one getting angry over it then you're the one who will be told to leave.

Of course hitting someone isn't the ideal reaction, but what's your solution when the bully just doesn't stop?
It is possible to recognise the action is wrong whilst understanding why that action has been taken.

Hopefully the result of this will be a change in attitude to these so called comedians hosting such events. and those hiring them will reconsider the way their events should be hosted.

Not retaliating physically is not equivalent to condoning something. And a single insult is not bullying. I think you are on a hiding to nothing if you think comedians are going to stop insulting people.


Jeez, and I thought I was the wet liberal.

MattFalle

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john80 said:

rjsterry said:

blazing_saddles said:

rick_chasey said:

Lol keyboard warriors the lot of ya if you’re going around saying it’s ok to slap people who slag off the mrs

I find this so ironic coming from you.

A comedian stands up on a stage somewhere and makes jokes about a minority. This immediately causes offence among people easily offended and he or she is immediately targeted for cancellation.
A comedian stands up on stage and targets an individual with a medical condition for ridicule, in front of millions and nobody can be bothered to censure the comedian, because there’s more virtue signalling to be gained from going after the offended for their response.

IMO the guilty party here is the academy for knowingly putting all the combustibles together.

Eh? Think all have been clear that Rock was wrong. But Smith was more wrong. Two wrongs, in fact. If people who were, say, offended by Nigel Farage and slapped him because of some xenophobic nonsense he'd uttered they would also be more in the wrong.

I probably would not have to look too far on this forum to all those posts that supported the individual throwing milkshakes at Farage a while ago.

are you saying that throwing milkshakes at farage, yaxley lennon, etc is/was a bad thing?

rick_chasey

I broke a kid’s nose who regularly beat me up out of school.

I did it in school - only because I was a straight A student and a massive teacher’s pet that I didn’t get suspended.

Not entirely sure how this is relevant.

It’s really simple. Don’t hit people on stage at the Oscars. Rock’s joke didn’t justify it even remotely.

Pross

rick_chasey said:

I broke a kid’s nose who regularly beat me up out of school.

I did it in school - only because I was a straight A student and a massive teacher’s pet that I didn’t get suspended.

Not entirely sure how this is relevant.

It’s really simple. Don’t hit people on stage at the Oscars. Rock’s joke didn’t justify it even remotely.

A valuable message for us to all remember. Unfortunately I wasn't nominated for my work on Dream Horse but I will make sure to take this on board when my talents are finally given the credit they deserve.

shirley_basso

If only there was an awards ceremony for the cutting room floor, eh?

john80

Pross said:

john80 said:

shirley_basso said:

I'm with rick.

It is not acceptable to walk on stage and hit the presenter at an awards ceremony, provoked or not.

If he's in front of you and you give him a slap at a bar for being a gobshyte, then fair enough (but not condonable) but to lack the self awareness to get out of your seat and walk on stage? Come on.

You obviously did not read Rick's original post. He is 100% behind Will Smith in case you missed it.

Not sure how you take that from "Smith is a big lad. Was a weird slap" unless I missed some other post.

He started the thread for christ sake.

MattFalle said:

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john80 said:

rjsterry said:

blazing_saddles said:

rick_chasey said:

Lol keyboard warriors the lot of ya if you’re going around saying it’s ok to slap people who slag off the mrs

I find this so ironic coming from you.

A comedian stands up on a stage somewhere and makes jokes about a minority. This immediately causes offence among people easily offended and he or she is immediately targeted for cancellation.
A comedian stands up on stage and targets an individual with a medical condition for ridicule, in front of millions and nobody can be bothered to censure the comedian, because there’s more virtue signalling to be gained from going after the offended for their response.

IMO the guilty party here is the academy for knowingly putting all the combustibles together.

Eh? Think all have been clear that Rock was wrong. But Smith was more wrong. Two wrongs, in fact. If people who were, say, offended by Nigel Farage and slapped him because of some xenophobic nonsense he'd uttered they would also be more in the wrong.

I probably would not have to look too far on this forum to all those posts that supported the individual throwing milkshakes at Farage a while ago.

are you saying that throwing milkshakes at farage, yaxley lennon, etc is/was a bad thing?

What I am alluding to is the hypocrisy of those that think that attacking Farage was OK and viewing this positively but then think that this is unacceptable from Will Smith.

Pross

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kingstongraham

john80 said:

Pross said:

john80 said:

shirley_basso said:

I'm with rick.

It is not acceptable to walk on stage and hit the presenter at an awards ceremony, provoked or not.

If he's in front of you and you give him a slap at a bar for being a gobshyte, then fair enough (but not condonable) but to lack the self awareness to get out of your seat and walk on stage? Come on.

You obviously did not read Rick's original post. He is 100% behind Will Smith in case you missed it.

Not sure how you take that from "Smith is a big lad. Was a weird slap" unless I missed some other post.

He started the thread for christ sake.

What are you implying here?

Pross

john80 said:

Pross said:

john80 said:

shirley_basso said:

I'm with rick.

It is not acceptable to walk on stage and hit the presenter at an awards ceremony, provoked or not.

If he's in front of you and you give him a slap at a bar for being a gobshyte, then fair enough (but not condonable) but to lack the self awareness to get out of your seat and walk on stage? Come on.

You obviously did not read Rick's original post. He is 100% behind Will Smith in case you missed it.

Not sure how you take that from "Smith is a big lad. Was a weird slap" unless I missed some other post.

He started the thread for christ sake.

MattFalle said:

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john80 said:

rjsterry said:

blazing_saddles said:

rick_chasey said:

Lol keyboard warriors the lot of ya if you’re going around saying it’s ok to slap people who slag off the mrs

I find this so ironic coming from you.

A comedian stands up on a stage somewhere and makes jokes about a minority. This immediately causes offence among people easily offended and he or she is immediately targeted for cancellation.
A comedian stands up on stage and targets an individual with a medical condition for ridicule, in front of millions and nobody can be bothered to censure the comedian, because there’s more virtue signalling to be gained from going after the offended for their response.

IMO the guilty party here is the academy for knowingly putting all the combustibles together.

Eh? Think all have been clear that Rock was wrong. But Smith was more wrong. Two wrongs, in fact. If people who were, say, offended by Nigel Farage and slapped him because of some xenophobic nonsense he'd uttered they would also be more in the wrong.

I probably would not have to look too far on this forum to all those posts that supported the individual throwing milkshakes at Farage a while ago.

are you saying that throwing milkshakes at farage, yaxley lennon, etc is/was a bad thing?

What I am alluding to is the hypocrisy of those that think that attacking Farage was OK and viewing this positively but then think that this is unacceptable from Will Smith.

I'm pretty sure Rick is not MattFalle, MF started the thread. Rick's first post on the subject was the comment about Will Smith being a big lad.

laurentian

Two things I find disappointing in this whole episode:

1) The Academy have condemned Smith and launched a "formal review" but have not condemned Rock for his "joke" about someone with alopecia.
2) Much as the "slap" was inappropriate and wrong, for someone who trained for the part and played Ali, I would have thought Smith would have properly slotted him.

MattFalle

Pross said:

john80 said:

Pross said:

john80 said:

shirley_basso said:

I'm with rick.

It is not acceptable to walk on stage and hit the presenter at an awards ceremony, provoked or not.

If he's in front of you and you give him a slap at a bar for being a gobshyte, then fair enough (but not condonable) but to lack the self awareness to get out of your seat and walk on stage? Come on.

You obviously did not read Rick's original post. He is 100% behind Will Smith in case you missed it.

Not sure how you take that from "Smith is a big lad. Was a weird slap" unless I missed some other post.

He started the thread for christ sake.

MattFalle said:

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john80 said:

rjsterry said:

blazing_saddles said:

rick_chasey said:

Lol keyboard warriors the lot of ya if you’re going around saying it’s ok to slap people who slag off the mrs

I find this so ironic coming from you.

A comedian stands up on a stage somewhere and makes jokes about a minority. This immediately causes offence among people easily offended and he or she is immediately targeted for cancellation.
A comedian stands up on stage and targets an individual with a medical condition for ridicule, in front of millions and nobody can be bothered to censure the comedian, because there’s more virtue signalling to be gained from going after the offended for their response.

IMO the guilty party here is the academy for knowingly putting all the combustibles together.

Eh? Think all have been clear that Rock was wrong. But Smith was more wrong. Two wrongs, in fact. If people who were, say, offended by Nigel Farage and slapped him because of some xenophobic nonsense he'd uttered they would also be more in the wrong.

I probably would not have to look too far on this forum to all those posts that supported the individual throwing milkshakes at Farage a while ago.

are you saying that throwing milkshakes at farage, yaxley lennon, etc is/was a bad thing?

What I am alluding to is the hypocrisy of those that think that attacking Farage was OK and viewing this positively but then think that this is unacceptable from Will Smith.

I'm pretty sure Rick is not MattFalle, MF started the thread. Rick's first post on the subject was the comment about Will Smith being a big lad.

This - thankyou Pross.

I am not Rick, Rick is not me and neither of us is Will Smith or Chris Rock.

Or are we?

MattFalle

john80 said:

Pross said:

john80 said:

shirley_basso said:

I'm with rick.

It is not acceptable to walk on stage and hit the presenter at an awards ceremony, provoked or not.

If he's in front of you and you give him a slap at a bar for being a gobshyte, then fair enough (but not condonable) but to lack the self awareness to get out of your seat and walk on stage? Come on.

You obviously did not read Rick's original post. He is 100% behind Will Smith in case you missed it.

Not sure how you take that from "Smith is a big lad. Was a weird slap" unless I missed some other post.

He started the thread for christ sake.

MattFalle said:

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john80 said:

rjsterry said:

blazing_saddles said:

rick_chasey said:

Lol keyboard warriors the lot of ya if you’re going around saying it’s ok to slap people who slag off the mrs

I find this so ironic coming from you.

A comedian stands up on a stage somewhere and makes jokes about a minority. This immediately causes offence among people easily offended and he or she is immediately targeted for cancellation.
A comedian stands up on stage and targets an individual with a medical condition for ridicule, in front of millions and nobody can be bothered to censure the comedian, because there’s more virtue signalling to be gained from going after the offended for their response.

IMO the guilty party here is the academy for knowingly putting all the combustibles together.

Eh? Think all have been clear that Rock was wrong. But Smith was more wrong. Two wrongs, in fact. If people who were, say, offended by Nigel Farage and slapped him because of some xenophobic nonsense he'd uttered they would also be more in the wrong.

I probably would not have to look too far on this forum to all those posts that supported the individual throwing milkshakes at Farage a while ago.

are you saying that throwing milkshakes at farage, yaxley lennon, etc is/was a bad thing?

What I am alluding to is the hypocrisy of those that think that attacking Farage was OK and viewing this positively but then think that this is unacceptable from Will Smith.

Is there a difference though between slapping someone who has made repeated barbs at your wife's medical condition although he has been told not to and lobbing a milkshake over two racists, one who is a friend of Russia and a cheating, lying adulterer, the other who has mutiple criminal convictions for violence, lying, and stealing money?

After all, milkshakes aren't slaps.

rick_chasey

TBH being confused with MF *is* worthy of a slap

rick_chasey

laurentian said:

Two things I find disappointing in this whole episode:

1) The Academy have condemned Smith and launched a "formal review" but have not condemned Rock for his "joke" about someone with alopecia.

Get angry, lose the argument, regardless.

Thems the rules.

Pross

rick_chasey said:

laurentian said:

Two things I find disappointing in this whole episode:

1) The Academy have condemned Smith and launched a "formal review" but have not condemned Rock for his "joke" about someone with alopecia.

Get angry, lose the argument, regardless.

Thems the rules.

I still think there is more chance that Smith will be in attendance next year than Rock and that once this fuss has died down there will be an announcement that the Academy has decided to have a change of style for next year that involves a different hosting style.

MattFalle

rick_chasey said:

TBH being confused with MF *is* worthy of a slap

slap? pain? ooohhh yes please.

MattFalle

rick_chasey said:

laurentian said:

Two things I find disappointing in this whole episode:

1) The Academy have condemned Smith and launched a "formal review" but have not condemned Rock for his "joke" about someone with alopecia.

Get angry, lose the argument, regardless.

Thems the rules.

Rock is slso pretty happy with the publicity tbh - deffo got him booked on Conan or similar.

laurentian

rick_chasey said:

laurentian said:

Two things I find disappointing in this whole episode:

1) The Academy have condemned Smith and launched a "formal review" but have not condemned Rock for his "joke" about someone with alopecia.

Get angry, lose the argument, regardless.

Thems the rules.

My comment has nothing to do with anyone getting angry.

Do you think it right that they have condemned Smith and launched a formal review for the slap but not Rock for the "joke"?

rjsterry

MattFalle said:

john80 said:

Pross said:

john80 said:

shirley_basso said:

I'm with rick.

It is not acceptable to walk on stage and hit the presenter at an awards ceremony, provoked or not.

If he's in front of you and you give him a slap at a bar for being a gobshyte, then fair enough (but not condonable) but to lack the self awareness to get out of your seat and walk on stage? Come on.

You obviously did not read Rick's original post. He is 100% behind Will Smith in case you missed it.

Not sure how you take that from "Smith is a big lad. Was a weird slap" unless I missed some other post.

He started the thread for christ sake.

MattFalle said:

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john80 said:

rjsterry said:

blazing_saddles said:

rick_chasey said:

Lol keyboard warriors the lot of ya if you’re going around saying it’s ok to slap people who slag off the mrs

I find this so ironic coming from you.

A comedian stands up on a stage somewhere and makes jokes about a minority. This immediately causes offence among people easily offended and he or she is immediately targeted for cancellation.
A comedian stands up on stage and targets an individual with a medical condition for ridicule, in front of millions and nobody can be bothered to censure the comedian, because there’s more virtue signalling to be gained from going after the offended for their response.

IMO the guilty party here is the academy for knowingly putting all the combustibles together.

Eh? Think all have been clear that Rock was wrong. But Smith was more wrong. Two wrongs, in fact. If people who were, say, offended by Nigel Farage and slapped him because of some xenophobic nonsense he'd uttered they would also be more in the wrong.

I probably would not have to look too far on this forum to all those posts that supported the individual throwing milkshakes at Farage a while ago.

are you saying that throwing milkshakes at farage, yaxley lennon, etc is/was a bad thing?

What I am alluding to is the hypocrisy of those that think that attacking Farage was OK and viewing this positively but then think that this is unacceptable from Will Smith.

Is there a difference though between slapping someone who has made repeated barbs at your wife's medical condition although he has been told not to and lobbing a milkshake over two racists, one who is a friend of Russia and a cheating, lying adulterer, the other who has mutiple criminal convictions for violence, lying, and stealing money?

After all, milkshakes aren't slaps.

It's a bit of a thing on here and other social media. "Aha! You commented that X was funny three years ago therefore you MUST be in favour of this other utterly unconnected bad thing and are therefore a TERRIBLE PERSON."

It's such rubbish.

rick_chasey

laurentian said:

rick_chasey said:

laurentian said:

Two things I find disappointing in this whole episode:

1) The Academy have condemned Smith and launched a "formal review" but have not condemned Rock for his "joke" about someone with alopecia.

Get angry, lose the argument, regardless.

Thems the rules.

My comment has nothing to do with anyone getting angry.

Do you think it right that they have condemned Smith and launched a formal review for the slap but not Rock for the "joke"?

Yeah. One is not equal to the other.

You want comics to be able to make bad taste jokes don't you? Else we really are in cancel culture territory.

laurentian

rick_chasey said:

laurentian said:

rick_chasey said:

laurentian said:

Two things I find disappointing in this whole episode:

1) The Academy have condemned Smith and launched a "formal review" but have not condemned Rock for his "joke" about someone with alopecia.

Get angry, lose the argument, regardless.

Thems the rules.

My comment has nothing to do with anyone getting angry.

Do you think it right that they have condemned Smith and launched a formal review for the slap but not Rock for the "joke"?

Yeah. One is not equal to the other.

You want comics to be able to make bad taste jokes don't you? Else we really are in cancel culture territory.

Depends what you call "bad taste" really.

I prefer comedy that "punches up" (or at least sideways) but if your definition of funny bad taste includes taking the p!ss out of people with unpleasant medical conditions then crack on. If she'd have shaved her head for reasons of fashion or vanity then she'd be fair game and the joke could be deemed funny but it wasn't and he knew it wasn't.

If I had the choice to make, I reckon in the grand scheme of things I'd rather be remembered as the bloke who slapped someone for taking the p!ss out of his medically compromised wife than be remembered as the bloke who made such a remark.

Hopefully I won't have to make that choice and be remembered as either.

MattFalle

laurentian said:

rick_chasey said:

laurentian said:

rick_chasey said:

laurentian said:

Two things I find disappointing in this whole episode:

1) The Academy have condemned Smith and launched a "formal review" but have not condemned Rock for his "joke" about someone with alopecia.

Get angry, lose the argument, regardless.

Thems the rules.

My comment has nothing to do with anyone getting angry.

Do you think it right that they have condemned Smith and launched a formal review for the slap but not Rock for the "joke"?

Yeah. One is not equal to the other.

You want comics to be able to make bad taste jokes don't you? Else we really are in cancel culture territory.

Depends what you call "bad taste" really.

I prefer comedy that "punches up" (or at least sideways) but if your definition of funny bad taste includes taking the p!ss out of people with unpleasant medical conditions then crack on. If she'd have shaved her head for reasons of fashion or vanity then she'd be fair game and the joke could be deemed funny but it wasn't and he knew it wasn't.

If I had the choice to make, I reckon in the grand scheme of things I'd rather be remembered as the bloke who slapped someone for taking the p!ss out of his medically compromised wife than be remembered as the bloke who made such a remark.

Hopefully I won't have to make that choice and be remembered as either.

this

Jimmy Carr style "comedy"? Yeah, I'd smack him one, very, very happily.

Russell Howard really nice funny pisstaking? Can watch it all day.

Limits to comedy - everyone has different ones and it seems like this one was reached. Rock didn't read his audience tbh.

pblakeney

laurentian said:

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2) Much as the "slap" was inappropriate and wrong, for someone who trained for the part and played Ali, I would have thought Smith would have properly slotted him.

This is my thinking. If Smith had well and truly lost the plot then it would have been a punch, not a girly slap. A slap is a put down, not what you do when angry.

MattFalle

pblakeney said:

laurentian said:

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2) Much as the "slap" was inappropriate and wrong, for someone who trained for the part and played Ali, I would have thought Smith would have properly slotted him.

This is my thinking. If Smith had well and truly lost the plot then it would have been a punch, not a girly slap. A slap is a put down, not what you do when angry.

theres one simple reason for this.

you ever tried fighting in a dinner jacket? not a chance. far too tight, no way to get arm back enough to punch through.

its like fighting in a straight jacket.

it was so much casual violence on the night, more formal violence.

MattFalle

i think WS was also more out to prove a point rather than doof CR up proper.

rick_chasey

The weird thing is he laughs at the joke till his missus looks unimpressed.

The backstory is he’s apparently embarrassed before the event as it’s come out they’ve recently become an open relationship but only his mrs is sleeping with people outside the marriage.

Which all makes it rather more tragic.

I suspect he needs to see his therapist(s) more, and slap people less.

shirley_basso

^ that's old news.

The chat is they have an open relationship as allegedly it's a marriage of convenience as they're both gay.

MattFalle

fuck-that sound is John expliding.

rick_chasey

shirley_basso said:

^ that's old news.

The chat is they have an open relationship as allegedly it's a marriage of convenience as they're both gay.

Either way it would point to a possible performative aspect to it

kingstongraham

It's not even a particularly harsh joke. Or a good joke tbh.

Amy Shumer's joke that DiCaprio had "done so much to fight climate change and leave behind a cleaner, greener planet for his girlfriends" was nasty but funny.