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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,376
    Good to see a bit of humour triggered the usual Cake Stop response :)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,376
    briantrumpet said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    monkimark said:

    Good job petrol isn't flammable :D

    Figure you haven't realised that EV are getting a bit of a rep for going up in flames. Or are you an EV owner? :)
    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-12626821/Are-electric-hybrid-cars-greater-fire-risk.html

    Are EVs more likely to catch fire than petrol and diesel?
    EV FireSafe, a private company that receives seed funding from the Australian Department of Defence to research EV battery fires, says global fires recorded between 2010 and 2020 indicate a 0.0012 per cent change of passenger EVs catching alight.

    But how does that compare to conventional petrol and diesels?

    The research group said it is 'difficult to find a similar statistic for internal combustion engine (ICE) passenger vehicles globally', though says a combination of country-based reports suggest there is a 0.1 per cent chance of petrol and diesel cars catching fire.

    And in May, the Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency (MSB) suggested that EVs are 20 times less likely to catch fire than petrol and diesel cars based on instances recorded in the country last year alone.

    It said there were 106 fires in various 'electric means of transport' in Sweden in 2022, though 38 of these were electric scooters and 20 e-bicycles.

    Only 23 fires were reported in EVs last year, accounting for just 0.004 per cent of Sweden's fleet of 611,000 EVs. In contrast, over the same period, some 3,400 fires we reported in 2022 from Sweden's 4.4million petrol and diesel cars, a share of 0.08 per cent.
    I blame Brexit.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • masjer
    masjer Posts: 2,653
    focuszing723 said:

    The other half of me thinks it's all getting too bloody complicated and I love seeing a 2cv pottering around. Easy to work on and maintain.

    Surely maintenance is better than a load of new latest and greatest? That's what should be rewarded as a consumer attitude.

    If EVs are supposed to be the future of personal green transport, then why are most models large technology filled hulks, touting ridiculous performance figures? Surely cheaper, simple, lightweight bodied models with increased ranges would be a more rational solution in a climate emergency.
    Apart from satnav, I really can’t see any point in filling cars with needless tech (electric everything). I’m probably in the minority, but I much prefer easy/cheap to fix simplicity- heater, gear stick, steering wheel, trafficators (or indicators if you want to be flash) and a horn.

    It’s still greener (co2 wise, not particulates) to run an old car than buying a new EV, so I’ll try and keep my old one going for a bit longer.
    Well done Stevo, you’ve got green creds after all.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,144
    I'm a bit overwhelmed by all the responses, so let's just agree on the fact I'm right and you're all wrong.
  • monkimark
    monkimark Posts: 1,927
    I never saw a milk float until i moved down south but our current milkman has one.
    pblakeney said:

    Long time since I've seen a milk float but they were common up to the 80s, at least.

  • webboo
    webboo Posts: 6,087
    pblakeney said:

    Long time since I've seen a milk man but they were common up to the 80s, at least.

    FTF
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,314
    webboo said:

    pblakeney said:

    Long time since I've seen a milk man but they were common up to the 80s, at least.

    FTF
    True, they will be linked.
    I have seen milk bottles on doorsteps in the last few years but not seen the delivering.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,376
    masjer said:

    focuszing723 said:

    The other half of me thinks it's all getting too bloody complicated and I love seeing a 2cv pottering around. Easy to work on and maintain.

    Surely maintenance is better than a load of new latest and greatest? That's what should be rewarded as a consumer attitude.

    If EVs are supposed to be the future of personal green transport, then why are most models large technology filled hulks, touting ridiculous performance figures? Surely cheaper, simple, lightweight bodied models with increased ranges would be a more rational solution in a climate emergency.
    Apart from satnav, I really can’t see any point in filling cars with needless tech (electric everything). I’m probably in the minority, but I much prefer easy/cheap to fix simplicity- heater, gear stick, steering wheel, trafficators (or indicators if you want to be flash) and a horn.

    It’s still greener (co2 wise, not particulates) to run an old car than buying a new EV, so I’ll try and keep my old one going for a bit longer.
    Well done Stevo, you’ve got green creds after all.
    Why thank you masjer.

    The other thing that makes me less than keen on driving souped up milk floats is this:
    https://telegraph.co.uk/tv/0/andy-wilman-interview-grand-tour-amazon-top-gear-bbc/

    Quote:
    "All they do is go quickly. Designers can do things with the outside of them, but you’re f---ed with EVs on sound, that whirring compared to a Ferrari engine. And then the dashboard is just a big iPad and some plastic. It’s f---ing terrible. It’s the end of looking at a nice interior of a car, everyone will do [the same] because it’s cheap. So no noise, interiors like that…"

    “Engined cars give you that: they give you characters. They give you foibles and idiosyncrasies,” Wilman says. “The Lamborghini Miura was built more or less in secret after work by a team of kids under 25, yet it’s one of the greatest cars of all time. You’re never going to get those stories with electric cars. Because they’re transport, they just whizz about… F---ing dull.”

    I'll be sticking with my little V8 for a long while :smile:
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,308
    First.Aspect said:

    pinno said:

    We will only know the true figures when there is an equal number of EV and ICE propelled vehicles.

    Lithium ion batteries are at best 20-30 years old. The high energy density ones more like 10-15.

    Combustion engines are over 150 years old.

    EVs might go through a Chevy Corsair moment, but I doubt it.
    There aren't many 150 year old cars on the road.
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,308
    pblakeney said:

    focuszing723 said:

    It's great the transition, Brushless motors are fantastical, but the transition shouldn't be pushed, let the technology do the talking and reward that maintenance attitude.

    I like the notion that electric cars are a new idea. 🤣

    "Crude electric carriages were first invented in the late 1820s and 1830s. Practical, commercially available electric vehicles appeared during the 1890s. An electric vehicle held the vehicular land speed record until around 1900."
    That is fascinating.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    EV's have to exceed a certain mileage in order to have a smaller carbon footprint than an ICE driven vehicle. We haven't really got many stats for legions of 80K+ EV's to start weighing up the environmental benefits.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zAhwiQ95Wg
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,376
    Clarkson agrees with Pinno - buy an M3 and save the planet:
    https://youtu.be/eKIryzmF-VM?si=8yeVUO0Ripelol-S
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,145
    pinno said:

    First.Aspect said:

    pinno said:

    We will only know the true figures when there is an equal number of EV and ICE propelled vehicles.

    Lithium ion batteries are at best 20-30 years old. The high energy density ones more like 10-15.

    Combustion engines are over 150 years old.

    EVs might go through a Chevy Corsair moment, but I doubt it.
    There aren't many 150 year old cars on the road.
    I think Briantrumpet has one.

    It wasn't really my point. But I suspect you know this.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,144
    edited December 2023
    Another advantage of the Cybertruck is the stainless steel body means it's imperviousness to getting dinged.

    That's massive!
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,144
    !! MASSIVE !!
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,144

  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,462
    focuszing723 said:

    Another advantage of the Cybertruck is the stainless steel body means it's imperviousness to getting dinged.

    That's massive!

    So people can drive it without worrying about taking care not to bump into things. Sounds great! Not sure how it will comply with safety requirements, especially those relating to pedestrians.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,144
    Pross said:

    focuszing723 said:

    Another advantage of the Cybertruck is the stainless steel body means it's imperviousness to getting dinged.

    That's massive!

    So people can drive it without worrying about taking care not to bump into things. Sounds great! Not sure how it will comply with safety requirements, especially those relating to pedestrians.
    Exactly Pross
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,376
    focuszing723 said:


    Looks like someone is trying to improve the appearance.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,462
    Stevo_666 said:

    focuszing723 said:


    Looks like someone is trying to improve the appearance.
    A modern day take on that old Peugeot advert
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,144
    Yes, that was me who reported abuse!

  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,227
    Fake swing with a plastic mallet. He puts no effort into that.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,145
    I suspect they aren't going to sell many of those. For one thing there's nowhere to install spotlights and a gun rack.

    They also quite clearly look really stupid and people will feel stupid getting into and out of one and are pitched to the wrong market.

    The Ford F150 is keeping the Ford afloat for a reason - they are cheap to buy and repair and bought in large numbers by people without much money who need a flat bed.

    People who can afford Teslas tend to pay people who own F150s to do things for them.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,144
    orraloon said:

    Fake swing with a plastic mallet. He puts no effort into that.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teRRk-0KHus

    You couldn't do that to a fookin campervan!
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,145
    Hummer. The cybertruck is going to be bought by the same sort of people. Hummer went out of business, because they were extremely expensive and looked stupid. There aren't enough people who are rich, vain AND stupid to go around.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,376
    Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    focuszing723 said:


    Looks like someone is trying to improve the appearance.
    A modern day take on that old Peugeot advert
    Or Father Ted's dent repair

    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,376
    focuszing723 said:

    Yes, that was me who reported abuse!

    You are Elon Musk and ICMFP.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,376
    First.Aspect said:

    Hummer. The cybertruck is going to be bought by the same sort of people. Hummer went out of business, because they were extremely expensive and looked stupid. There aren't enough people who are rich, vain AND stupid to go around.

    You're right, most stupid people couldn't afford it.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,144
    It's definitely more suited to a potential zombie apocalypse.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,144
    I'd like to see the 48v electronic system/ethernet in the new smaller cheaper model 2(?). I assume it will be as it will cut costs with less copper wiring.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,144
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1v0FNR3-Xc

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