Cars, cars, cars...

1…7172747677…101

Comments

  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,172
    rjsterry said:

    focuszing723 said:

    First.Aspect said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    ddraver said:

    Yeah, thanks all. The quote for repair was about 800 but as Pinno says, the reality is that next year it would have required another 800 and so on and so on. I'm not really that interested in mechanical things (the bonneville being the exception that proves the rule), but that little car had wormed its way into my heart. It's a shame because it really is great around the country lanes and still drives fine.

    It's being picked up by a scrap yard tomorrow. (There are a wealth of price comparison sites that will check for you these days. Good signs that metal recycling is thriving...

    A summer on the (motor)bikes and then will start looking for something that will hopefully go on for another 20 years.

    Surely an eco warrior like you should be looking for an electric car. Or are they too expensive for you?
    With the current UK energy mix, is probably still more environmentally sensible to keep using the old car.
    With nearly 400,000 cars destroyed which were more than a decade old in 2009, it took out an entire generation which would now be 20-30 year old classics. “It certainly drove up prices of those classic cars which were left behind,” said Brewer.

    Think of all those cars needlessly destroyed during the scrappage scheme as a result of the financial crisis (boost the car industry). That's was a colossal waste.
    Cars must be one of the most recycled consumer products. Pinno may have a better idea.
    Currently, 75% of the materials can be recycled, with the remaining 25% ending up in landfill.[2] As the most recycled consumer product, end-of-life vehicles provide the steel industry with more than 14 million tons of steel per year.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_recycling
    It's also got to be better keeping one going rather than all the processing/energy required to transform it?
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,908
    ddraver said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    ddraver said:

    Whatever makes you happy...

    Clearly posting pictures of Sea Lions for no good reason makes you happy, so maybe I should give it a go ;)
    Ah but unfortunately we all know the reason...
    Sure, it's usually the only response you can come up with when I ask a question that's difficult to answer or makes you feel uncomfortable answering. Otherwise you'd answer the question.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,438
    rjsterry said:

    focuszing723 said:

    First.Aspect said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    ddraver said:

    Yeah, thanks all. The quote for repair was about 800 but as Pinno says, the reality is that next year it would have required another 800 and so on and so on. I'm not really that interested in mechanical things (the bonneville being the exception that proves the rule), but that little car had wormed its way into my heart. It's a shame because it really is great around the country lanes and still drives fine.

    It's being picked up by a scrap yard tomorrow. (There are a wealth of price comparison sites that will check for you these days. Good signs that metal recycling is thriving...

    A summer on the (motor)bikes and then will start looking for something that will hopefully go on for another 20 years.

    Surely an eco warrior like you should be looking for an electric car. Or are they too expensive for you?
    With the current UK energy mix, is probably still more environmentally sensible to keep using the old car.
    With nearly 400,000 cars destroyed which were more than a decade old in 2009, it took out an entire generation which would now be 20-30 year old classics. “It certainly drove up prices of those classic cars which were left behind,” said Brewer.

    Think of all those cars needlessly destroyed during the scrappage scheme as a result of the financial crisis (boost the car industry). That's was a colossal waste.
    Cars must be one of the most recycled consumer products. Pinno may have a better idea.
    My perception growing up was that people bought a car, and that was it until the rust to steel ratio got too high. If it broke down, you'd fix it.

    Whereas now people tend to think, oh jts the end of my 4 year deal, I'll get another one. So there's a bit more turnover and a generally younger stock of cars on the road.

    Is this right, or is it just that when I was 8, a 7 year old Hillman felt super old?
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,736
    Stevo_666 said:

    ddraver said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    ddraver said:

    Whatever makes you happy...

    Clearly posting pictures of Sea Lions for no good reason makes you happy, so maybe I should give it a go ;)
    Ah but unfortunately we all know the reason...
    Sure, it's usually the only response you can come up with when I ask a question that's difficult to answer or makes you feel uncomfortable answering. Otherwise you'd answer the question.
    No becasue we all know you don't want an answer. It's not about the answer. That's literally the point!
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,874
    First.Aspect said:

    rjsterry said:

    focuszing723 said:

    First.Aspect said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    ddraver said:

    Yeah, thanks all. The quote for repair was about 800 but as Pinno says, the reality is that next year it would have required another 800 and so on and so on. I'm not really that interested in mechanical things (the bonneville being the exception that proves the rule), but that little car had wormed its way into my heart. It's a shame because it really is great around the country lanes and still drives fine.

    It's being picked up by a scrap yard tomorrow. (There are a wealth of price comparison sites that will check for you these days. Good signs that metal recycling is thriving...

    A summer on the (motor)bikes and then will start looking for something that will hopefully go on for another 20 years.

    Surely an eco warrior like you should be looking for an electric car. Or are they too expensive for you?
    With the current UK energy mix, is probably still more environmentally sensible to keep using the old car.
    With nearly 400,000 cars destroyed which were more than a decade old in 2009, it took out an entire generation which would now be 20-30 year old classics. “It certainly drove up prices of those classic cars which were left behind,” said Brewer.

    Think of all those cars needlessly destroyed during the scrappage scheme as a result of the financial crisis (boost the car industry). That's was a colossal waste.
    Cars must be one of the most recycled consumer products. Pinno may have a better idea.
    My perception growing up was that people bought a car, and that was it until the rust to steel ratio got too high. If it broke down, you'd fix it.

    Whereas now people tend to think, oh jts the end of my 4 year deal, I'll get another one. So there's a bit more turnover and a generally younger stock of cars on the road.

    Is this right, or is it just that when I was 8, a 7 year old Hillman felt super old?

    Isn't that just the outcome of the unholy alliance between carmakers and finance companies? Get the customer hooked on the fix of a new car every few years, but keep them forever in debt so unable to get out of the system?

    https://www.facebook.com/unanglaisendiois
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,908
    ddraver said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    ddraver said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    ddraver said:

    Whatever makes you happy...

    Clearly posting pictures of Sea Lions for no good reason makes you happy, so maybe I should give it a go ;)
    Ah but unfortunately we all know the reason...
    Sure, it's usually the only response you can come up with when I ask a question that's difficult to answer or makes you feel uncomfortable answering. Otherwise you'd answer the question.
    No becasue we all know you don't want an answer. It's not about the answer. That's literally the point!
    Oh yes I do want an answer, that's why I ask - doh. Not my fault if you bottle out of answering.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,438
    briantrumpet said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rjsterry said:

    focuszing723 said:

    First.Aspect said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    ddraver said:

    Yeah, thanks all. The quote for repair was about 800 but as Pinno says, the reality is that next year it would have required another 800 and so on and so on. I'm not really that interested in mechanical things (the bonneville being the exception that proves the rule), but that little car had wormed its way into my heart. It's a shame because it really is great around the country lanes and still drives fine.

    It's being picked up by a scrap yard tomorrow. (There are a wealth of price comparison sites that will check for you these days. Good signs that metal recycling is thriving...

    A summer on the (motor)bikes and then will start looking for something that will hopefully go on for another 20 years.

    Surely an eco warrior like you should be looking for an electric car. Or are they too expensive for you?
    With the current UK energy mix, is probably still more environmentally sensible to keep using the old car.
    With nearly 400,000 cars destroyed which were more than a decade old in 2009, it took out an entire generation which would now be 20-30 year old classics. “It certainly drove up prices of those classic cars which were left behind,” said Brewer.

    Think of all those cars needlessly destroyed during the scrappage scheme as a result of the financial crisis (boost the car industry). That's was a colossal waste.
    Cars must be one of the most recycled consumer products. Pinno may have a better idea.
    My perception growing up was that people bought a car, and that was it until the rust to steel ratio got too high. If it broke down, you'd fix it.

    Whereas now people tend to think, oh jts the end of my 4 year deal, I'll get another one. So there's a bit more turnover and a generally younger stock of cars on the road.

    Is this right, or is it just that when I was 8, a 7 year old Hillman felt super old?

    Isn't that just the outcome of the unholy alliance between carmakers and finance companies? Get the customer hooked on the fix of a new car every few years, but keep them forever in debt so unable to get out of the system?

    Yes.

    But I still can't comprehend what a *new* Hillman would be like.

    Chrome without cancer and rust I suppose.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,736
    Stevo_666 said:

    ddraver said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    ddraver said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    ddraver said:

    Whatever makes you happy...

    Clearly posting pictures of Sea Lions for no good reason makes you happy, so maybe I should give it a go ;)
    Ah but unfortunately we all know the reason...
    Sure, it's usually the only response you can come up with when I ask a question that's difficult to answer or makes you feel uncomfortable answering. Otherwise you'd answer the question.
    No becasue we all know you don't want an answer. It's not about the answer. That's literally the point!
    Oh yes I do want an answer, that's why I ask - doh. Not my fault if you bottle out of answering.
    So what do you want an answer to now? Why I use soap..?

    Mostly cos it smells nice.
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,602
    rjsterry said:

    focuszing723 said:

    First.Aspect said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    ddraver said:

    Yeah, thanks all. The quote for repair was about 800 but as Pinno says, the reality is that next year it would have required another 800 and so on and so on. I'm not really that interested in mechanical things (the bonneville being the exception that proves the rule), but that little car had wormed its way into my heart. It's a shame because it really is great around the country lanes and still drives fine.

    It's being picked up by a scrap yard tomorrow. (There are a wealth of price comparison sites that will check for you these days. Good signs that metal recycling is thriving...

    A summer on the (motor)bikes and then will start looking for something that will hopefully go on for another 20 years.

    Surely an eco warrior like you should be looking for an electric car. Or are they too expensive for you?
    With the current UK energy mix, is probably still more environmentally sensible to keep using the old car.
    With nearly 400,000 cars destroyed which were more than a decade old in 2009, it took out an entire generation which would now be 20-30 year old classics. “It certainly drove up prices of those classic cars which were left behind,” said Brewer.

    Think of all those cars needlessly destroyed during the scrappage scheme as a result of the financial crisis (boost the car industry). That's was a colossal waste.
    Cars must be one of the most recycled consumer products. Pinno may have a better idea.
    Sort of.
    Steel when recycled has to have new iron ore added. Each 'generation' of steel (i.e how near to the original raw product) is a slight downgrading. It's difficult to ascertain how much carbon is in 2nd and subsequent generation steel. 2nd generation steel is subject to changes in normal ranges of malleability, smelting temperature and purpose. Most car manufacturers use a lower percentage of recycled steel for this reason.
    I expect that if you bought a Lada in India (yes, they imported the machinery to make the panels and a lot of other defunct models like the Austin Cambridge!?) it would be probably mostly recycled steel. It might fall apart on you on the way to Delhi but you can always pray to Rama.

    Aluminium can be recycled infinitely. There's still Alu in the 'system' from the 1920's.

    Metals aren't the problem, it's plastics. Metals go into a defragmenter and then separated by magnets - ferrous and non ferrous (obvs).
    There are so many different plastics in a vehicle and when fragmented, there's no telling which are recyclable and which are not.

    For all VW/Audi's emission woes, they were attempting to build their cars with only 6 different plastics - all recyclable.
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,908
    ddraver said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    ddraver said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    ddraver said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    ddraver said:

    Whatever makes you happy...

    Clearly posting pictures of Sea Lions for no good reason makes you happy, so maybe I should give it a go ;)
    Ah but unfortunately we all know the reason...
    Sure, it's usually the only response you can come up with when I ask a question that's difficult to answer or makes you feel uncomfortable answering. Otherwise you'd answer the question.
    No becasue we all know you don't want an answer. It's not about the answer. That's literally the point!
    Oh yes I do want an answer, that's why I ask - doh. Not my fault if you bottle out of answering.
    So what do you want an answer to now? Why I use soap..?

    Mostly cos it smells nice.
    I didn't ask, but thanks anyway :smile:
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,736
    edited July 2023
    pinno said:

    good stuff

    The dude who scrapped mine was very interesting to speak to about what goes where. A lot more was recycled than I had thought.


    With regard to classics, I did have a brief look but I think it's more the focus STs that might become desirable again. (Ideally with a bangin' stereo innit. All of the wideboi yardies are now grown up and nostalgic for thier yoof...)

    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,862
    focuszing723 said:

    rjsterry said:

    focuszing723 said:

    First.Aspect said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    ddraver said:

    Yeah, thanks all. The quote for repair was about 800 but as Pinno says, the reality is that next year it would have required another 800 and so on and so on. I'm not really that interested in mechanical things (the bonneville being the exception that proves the rule), but that little car had wormed its way into my heart. It's a shame because it really is great around the country lanes and still drives fine.

    It's being picked up by a scrap yard tomorrow. (There are a wealth of price comparison sites that will check for you these days. Good signs that metal recycling is thriving...

    A summer on the (motor)bikes and then will start looking for something that will hopefully go on for another 20 years.

    Surely an eco warrior like you should be looking for an electric car. Or are they too expensive for you?
    With the current UK energy mix, is probably still more environmentally sensible to keep using the old car.
    With nearly 400,000 cars destroyed which were more than a decade old in 2009, it took out an entire generation which would now be 20-30 year old classics. “It certainly drove up prices of those classic cars which were left behind,” said Brewer.

    Think of all those cars needlessly destroyed during the scrappage scheme as a result of the financial crisis (boost the car industry). That's was a colossal waste.
    Cars must be one of the most recycled consumer products. Pinno may have a better idea.
    Currently, 75% of the materials can be recycled, with the remaining 25% ending up in landfill.[2] As the most recycled consumer product, end-of-life vehicles provide the steel industry with more than 14 million tons of steel per year.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_recycling
    It's also got to be better keeping one going rather than all the processing/energy required to transform it?
    Depends what the recycled materials become. You can do the sums and calculate the relative carbon 'cost' of each alternative.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660


    This is why you bought your 4x4 right?
    _
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,908
    Getting back on topic, this looks like a good one from Porsche:


    https://evo.co.uk/porsche/206045/new-porsche-911-st-lightweight-special-arrives-with-gt3-rs-engine-and-manual-gearbox
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,172
    Yeah, it's supposed to be a lightened 992 GT3 touring, manual. I like the fact it's subtle got to be pricey though, carbon panels, roof, roll cage, buckets. What, at least two hundred grand?
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,566
    focuszing723 said:

    Yeah, it's supposed to be a lightened 992 GT3 touring, manual. I like the fact it's subtle got to be pricey though, carbon panels, roof, roll cage, buckets. What, at least two hundred grand?

    £245k with the style package.
    I'm out. 😉
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,172
    pblakeney said:

    focuszing723 said:

    Yeah, it's supposed to be a lightened 992 GT3 touring, manual. I like the fact it's subtle got to be pricey though, carbon panels, roof, roll cage, buckets. What, at least two hundred grand?

    £245k with the style package.
    I'm out. 😉
    Jeez. I guess they see how well Singer are doing and think that's cheap.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,908
    Makes the GT3 on which it is based look like a bit of a steal.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,172
    With IRs going up and the vast majority using finance to buy them I can't see the rampant demand for super cars, any cars for that matter.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,172
    edited August 2023
    Borrowing on cars balloons to record levels: Some £41BILLION was locked up in motor finance last year - is this a worry during a cost-of-living squeeze?

    To put the rise in borrowing into perspective, in 2009 some £11.2billion was locked up in motor finance.

    That means there's been a 263 per cent rise between then and last year.

    For context, average weekly earnings have risen from £435 in 2009 to £614 in 2022 – that's just a 41 per cent increase.
    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-11812985/Borrowing-cars-balloons-record-level-41BILLION-locked-finance.html
    Ummmm....
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,908
    edited August 2023
    That said, this thread isn't really about affordable cars, although sometimes even the mighty Top Gear took account of price :smiley:
    https://youtube.com/watch?v=kj58hRUe05M&feature=share8
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,172
    Stevo_666 said:

    That said, this thread isn't really about affordable cars, although sometimes even the mighty Top Gear took account of price :smiley:
    https://youtube.com/watch?v=kj58hRUe05M&feature=share8

    Yep, apologies. I sounded right realistic and boring then, virtual me switched back on.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,908
    edited August 2023
    focuszing723 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    That said, this thread isn't really about affordable cars, although sometimes even the mighty Top Gear took account of price :smiley:
    https://youtube.com/watch?v=kj58hRUe05M&feature=share8

    Yep, apologies. I sounded right realistic and boring then, virtual me switched back on.
    That's more like it FZ. This sort of stuff is so much more interesting than people moaning about their upturned skip on wheels failing its MOT :)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,172


    This seems a bit cheap at 240k, I'd slap up the options to at least 300k to take it out of poverty spec.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,908
    focuszing723 said:



    This seems a bit cheap at 240k, I'd slap up the options to at least 300k to take it out of poverty spec.

    Good call. I might have a look in the window next time I'm passing my local car dealer in Sevenoaks


    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,172
    edited August 2023
    ...
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,908
    New AMG GT looks quite good.

    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,438
    How does it sit with you that you have to say to the left of centre when you are driving?
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,172
    Stevo_666 said:

    New AMG GT looks quite good.

    Yeah it does. I like fact they put a descent boot/drop rear seats (token gesture) on it so you could actually use it on a touring trip but still keep the agility.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,908
    First.Aspect said:

    How does it sit with you that you have to say to the left of centre when you are driving?

    Say what?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]

Categories