Cars, cars, cars...

beansnikpoh

pinno said:

shirley_basso said:

Is yours a turbo, pinno?

No. Neither of the Porkers are.
Do not be seduced by the word 'turbo'.
For anything built in the last 5 years, turbo's have become almost imperceptible in terms of lag (and that's not only lag under acceleration, that's lag as you brake into a corner or... just brake).
Most 80's turbo charged cars including 924' and 944's suffer terrible lag. I am a puritan - you keep a classic as a classic as near to original condition as you can (the resto mod above is good because it retains 90% of what was good about the car in the first place) or: you completely track it.
80's turbo's need modern chargers and that has implications for the engine, the engine management system, inlet manifolds etc etc and originality. It's not just a bolt on modification.

There's a direct responsiveness with naturally aspirated that cannot be under-emphasised.

The problem with the average joe is that they jump in a classic sporty car and think about new struts. shock absorbers, better brakes, engine upgrades but very rarely simply restore everything to it's original working functionality before decided to modify it.
How do they know what it's supposed to feel, ride, handle, corner, accelerate without sorting 30+ year old parts, shocks, rubbers, injectors, engines. clutches, gearboxes, prop shafts, engine mounts (I could go on here) ?

[Soz, went on a bit]

I used to have a saab 93 "HOT" turbo. You could put your foot down, and about 3 days later, the turbo would spin up and you'd shoot off into the middle distance, assuming you could hang on to the steering wheel as the torque steer did its best to dump you in a hedge.

pinno

beansnikpoh said:

pinno said:

shirley_basso said:

Is yours a turbo, pinno?

No. Neither of the Porkers are.
Do not be seduced by the word 'turbo'.
For anything built in the last 5 years, turbo's have become almost imperceptible in terms of lag (and that's not only lag under acceleration, that's lag as you brake into a corner or... just brake).
Most 80's turbo charged cars including 924' and 944's suffer terrible lag. I am a puritan - you keep a classic as a classic as near to original condition as you can (the resto mod above is good because it retains 90% of what was good about the car in the first place) or: you completely track it.
80's turbo's need modern chargers and that has implications for the engine, the engine management system, inlet manifolds etc etc and originality. It's not just a bolt on modification.

There's a direct responsiveness with naturally aspirated that cannot be under-emphasised.

The problem with the average joe is that they jump in a classic sporty car and think about new struts. shock absorbers, better brakes, engine upgrades but very rarely simply restore everything to it's original working functionality before decided to modify it.
How do they know what it's supposed to feel, ride, handle, corner, accelerate without sorting 30+ year old parts, shocks, rubbers, injectors, engines. clutches, gearboxes, prop shafts, engine mounts (I could go on here) ?

[Soz, went on a bit]

I used to have a saab 93 "HOT" turbo. You could put your foot down, and about 3 days later, the turbo would spin up and you'd shoot off into the middle distance, assuming you could hang on to the steering wheel as the torque steer did its best to dump you in a hedge.

Yep, I had the 2.2 se SAAB with those beautiful hammerhead wheels. More buttons and dials than a 747.
Forget going around corners though and say hello to new front tyres every 6-8000 miles.

pinno

Here she is:

pinno

shirley_basso said:

Was more asking about the 997.

You mean I wrote reams of bollox for no reason?

shirley_basso

As if that ever stopped you

Stevo_666

shirley_basso said:

As if that ever stopped you

DeVlaeminck

Yes - I'd love a classic mini cooper again - but I wouldn't like my son to have a classic mini cooper.

First.Aspect said:

pinno said:

First.Aspect said:

Btw, resto-mods don't introduce side airbags and crumple zones. I'm still not getting in one.

So don't go cycling.
Don't take risk.

You don't have to thrash your 'resto mod'. They are fun without driving like a lunatic.
Best thing is to judge the driver rather than the car.

It's a negotiation with loved ones, for me.

And it's other people's driving that concerns me,

Besides, fear isn't always a rational numbers game. I have a fear of having my legs crushed in a piece of 1980s crappy engineering.

It didn't happen driving but one shattered joint was bad enough.

I'd drive any death trap myself but I'd hate my son to buy a classic hot hatch or mini and I thank God he never got into motorbikes.

veronese68

Lad had a classic Mini, now has a mk1 GTi convertible. He's done a lot of stupid things in his time, some of which I'll never know about. But he's a lot more sensible than I was at that age, I'm just glad he's enjoying life and is happy.
But reference what Piña was saying above, I completely agree. The GTi is great to drive, so much more involving. But parking is a pain in the aris' with no power steering.

Stevo_666

veronese68 said:

But reference what Piña was saying above, I completely agree. The GTi is great to drive, so much more involving. But parking is a pain in the aris' with no power steering.

I never needed to go to the gym when I owned my 205 GTI's.

pblakeney

Fit a heavy duty clutch and build your left leg up too.

focuszing723

Hyundai Motor Group has confirmed a major $5 billion investment to support its work in robotics, AI technologies, advanced air mobility and autonomous driving capability.

The group, which sells cars under the Hyundai, Kia and Genesis brands, has made no secret of its bold intentions to become a dominant player in the world of mobility solutions, and the news is just the latest in a series of major announcements from the Korean auto giant.

Only last week, the company revealed it would spend $5.54 billion to build its first electric vehicle and battery manufacturing facilities in the United States at a site just outside Savannah in Bryan County, Georgia. It is scheduled to open in early 2025 and is slated to have an annual production capacity of 300,000 vehicles.

The Georgia plans were made public just days after Hyundai confirmed it would be building a huge new production hub for electric, autonomous Purpose-Built Vehicles within Kia’s existing Hwaseong manufacturing site in Gyeonggi Province in South Korea. Construction of that facility is set to start in the first half of next year, with commercial production planned to get underway in the second half of 2025.

The company provided a few clues as to where the latest investment is likely to go in a statement released to accompany the news.

Hyundai sees robotics as playing an essential role in smart mobility solutions and will invest in this area. Having acquired robotics developer Boston Dynamics in June 2021 in a deal valued at $1.1 billion, Hyundai says it’s committed to its growth and will expand its manufacturing capability and enhance its product range.

There will also be further investment in Boston self-driving company, Motional. Earlier this month, Motional confirmed that the autonomous Ioniq 5 robotaxi it is developing alongside Hyundai will be rolled out on Las Vegas roads as early as next year. The group says it is ready to make more funding available to accelerate the development of self-driving tech.

Additional investment in advanced air mobility (AAM) is probable, too. The group is developing technologies and infrastructure in advanced air mobility (AAM) and launched Washington D.C.-based Supernal last year to strengthen its capability in this sphere.

Supernal is working to integrate AAM into existing transit networks, with the ultimate vision for passengers to use a single app – like current rideshare platforms – to plan their journey. This could include taking a car or rail from home to an AAM “vertiport” – like the one Supernal helped create in Coventry in the English Midlands earlier this year – riding an eVTOL across town, and then using an e-scooter for the last mile.

The group also said it would invest further in artificial intelligence technologies.

Euisun Chung, executive chair of Hyundai Motor Group, announced the investment after meeting President Joe Biden in Seoul.

“The group will strengthen our partnership with US public and private entities to offer innovative products and mobility solutions to our valued customers in the U.S., while supporting global carbon neutrality efforts.”

https://www.iotworldtoday.com/2022/05/24/hyundai-investing-5b-on-autonomous-driving-and-robotics/

It's pretty incredible how forward thinking Hyundai is in terms of R&D, blimey.

photonic69

focuszing723 said:

https://www.iotworldtoday.com/2022/05/24/hyundai-investing-5b-on-autonomous-driving-and-robotics/

It's pretty incredible how forward thinking Hyundai is in terms of R&D, blimey.

It's nothing new. Already been done...

focuszing723

Hang on, let me think about this. I'll be back.

Stevo_666

photonic69 said:

focuszing723 said:

https://www.iotworldtoday.com/2022/05/24/hyundai-investing-5b-on-autonomous-driving-and-robotics/

It's pretty incredible how forward thinking Hyundai is in terms of R&D, blimey.

It's nothing new. Already been done...






They had them in the 80s

pblakeney

...and the 60s.

focuszing723

What sort of gum ball comparison is that to Tesla's autonomous reality greatness?

focuszing723

You're all not taking my very informative, interesting post seriously.

Not playing any more.

pblakeney

Herbie is far superior with a mind of his/her/their own instead of measly computer chips.

skyblueamateur

https://newsroom.supernal.aero/supernal-and-urban-air-port-debut-worlds-first-functional-advanced-air-mobility-vertiport-3ea6644fd4a0

The Supernal hub looked really interesting. Not interesting enough for me to bother my ar$e to go and visit it, but hey-ho.

Good to see Coventry trying to stay relevant with this and the battery giga factory.

pinno

Automatically driven cars with elf n safety at the forefront.

How f*cking boring? We'll all become Alexa driven Google clones.

rick_chasey

In my time I’ve driven quite a few hatchback hire cars.

Never have I driven a car quite so sh!t as this Toyota Yaris.

Worse than a 20 year old seat Ibiza.

Weird mix of small car, that’s weirdly wide and has a really big turning circle, awkward visibility, absolutely no power and a very weirdly spaced out gear range.

I suspect I can put the dodgy clutch and gearbox down to hire car miss-use but nonetheless, would not recommend.

Only time it’s ok is revving the b@locks off it once you’re up to speed. Even then it’s not great.

pinno

Japanese micro car innit. No 'road tax' (equivalent) for cars below 1000cc in Japan.

rick_chasey

My 0.9 litre polo is infinitely better - and the fiats even better than that.

Fiesta is best.

pinno

It was a hire car, so a very bad example.

Stevo_666

pinno said:

Automatically driven cars with elf n safety at the forefront.

How f*cking boring? We'll all become Alexa driven Google clones.

Might be quite handy getting you back from pub. But apart from that, its's going to be dull as ditchwater.

photonic69

pinno said:

It was a hire car, so a very bad example.

I find Hire Cars have nicely 'loosened' engines, or that they do after I've driven them

Stevo_666 said:

pinno said:

Automatically driven cars with elf n safety at the forefront.

How f*cking boring? We'll all become Alexa driven Google clones.

Might be quite handy getting you back from pub. But apart from that, its's going to be dull as ditchwater.

More time for posting on BikeRadar and scrolling through Tinder?

rick_chasey

pinno said:

It was a hire car, so a very bad example.

They’re all hire cars so there’s some control - either way, the gear ratios are not affected by this.

pinno

Stevo_666 said:

pinno said:

Automatically driven cars with elf n safety at the forefront.

How f*cking boring? We'll all become Alexa driven Google clones.

Might be quite handy getting you back from pub. But apart from that, its's going to be dull as ditchwater.

Stevo_666 said:

pinno said:

Automatically driven cars with elf n safety at the forefront.

How f*cking boring? We'll all become Alexa driven Google clones.

Might be quite handy getting you back from pub. But apart from that, its's going to be dull as ditchwater.

You can look forward to sometime in the future where it will be a legal requirement when on the motorway to be auto driven.
Brave boring new world

rick_chasey

See it like they do in Moscow and it’s an opportunity to catch up on work/sleep

DeVlaeminck

I'd love a self driving car - one where you can actually have a kip or read a book rather than sit ready to take back control. I don't mind driving but without driving recklessly it's hard to actually have real fun on a public road. Be nice to just sit back and relax.

Maybe there will be a choice - you can put it in self drive mode or driver controlled.