Paris Roubaix 2021 pre race chat
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That was awesome.Correlation is not causation.0
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They need to sort out the disgraceful prize money discrepancy - Euro 7,500 pot for the ladies and Euro 90,000 for the men!5
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I think today was about the best first edition you could hope for. Podium of genuine quality, a bit of mud to burnish its reputation (and make it a "proper" PR), and won in a style that'll be talked about for a while by a rider who can talk quite eloquently about what it means.0
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That was my thinking too. The race was well and truly smashed to pieces when coverage started. Conditions won't have helped but starting with a shorter distance and building as riders get experience of the race seems sensible.ddraver said:
I'd like to see it pushed out as it develops and people start working out how to ride it. Think it should be as brutal as possible.Pross said:So is the thinking still that it is 40km short?
Just that it's here though is a good start
It feels like women's racing has started to get some momentum now. Better coverage, better organised and financed teams, more high profile racing but possibly still lacking a bit of strength in depth. It feels a lot like I imagine, rightly or wrongly from historic clips, men's cycling was pre-1980s where a few very top riders dominate and can win pretty much any race (with a few others that can pull off a win from a bunch sprint).0 -
Dani Rowe made the point that the better financing of women's cycling is already changing the sport because riders aren't selfishly racing for next year's contract. Means there's more of a team game than previously.0
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I suppose the idea was for Deignan to spread out the field and lay the foundation down for a van Dijk victory, but van Dijk didn't look at all comfortable on the pavé and kept being dropped by the first 10-12 pursuers. In fact I think van Dijk may have been the first faller when 4 of them went down (she causing at least one, maybe all three, to fall).Pross said:Lizzie confirms she wasn't initially going out to win. I suspected it was a tactic that went "wrong" but I doubt she cares!
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I've never understood people's obsession with wearing gloves on a bike. I only wear them on a bike if it is freezing cold.Pross said:I don't understand not wearing gloves at the best of times let alone in P-R but Magnus disagrees and he knows a little bit more than me
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Of the 129 participants, 92 arrived at the finish, which strikes me as a very good percentage (even if 31 of them were outside the time limit).
For some, considering they were judged not at all the type of riders who would manage the cobbles well, it was a very good result – like for Cordon-Ragot (8th) and Bastianelli (5th).0 -
Same. Don't like gloves or mitts at all on the bikeTheBigBean said:
I've never understood people's obsession with wearing gloves on a bike. I only wear them on a bike if it is freezing cold.Pross said:I don't understand not wearing gloves at the best of times let alone in P-R but Magnus disagrees and he knows a little bit more than me
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You haven't crashed on a bit of road with loose stones?TheBigBean said:
I've never understood people's obsession with wearing gloves on a bike. I only wear them on a bike if it is freezing cold.Pross said:I don't understand not wearing gloves at the best of times let alone in P-R but Magnus disagrees and he knows a little bit more than me
Generally it's the damage you can do if crashing. For example, why risk shredding your hands on Stage 1 of the Tour and being in pain or, at least, discomfort for the next week when you can easily protect them? On P-R though it's more I would have thought anything that protects you from the pounding would be a benefit. It feels a bit like not bothering with padded shorts.0 -
Are there highlights on free to air?0
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Crashing usually involves pain beyond grazed hands. I can't remember ever injuring my hands although most of my crashes have been off road.Pross said:
You haven't crashed on a bit of road with loose stones?TheBigBean said:
I've never understood people's obsession with wearing gloves on a bike. I only wear them on a bike if it is freezing cold.Pross said:I don't understand not wearing gloves at the best of times let alone in P-R but Magnus disagrees and he knows a little bit more than me
Generally it's the damage you can do if crashing. For example, why risk shredding your hands on Stage 1 of the Tour and being in pain or, at least, discomfort for the next week when you can easily protect them? On P-R though it's more I would have thought anything that protects you from the pounding would be a benefit. It feels a bit like not bothering with padded shorts.
And get some comfortable bar tape.
What did Magnus say?0 -
Maybe I'm scarred by a crash I had as a teenager before I started cycling regularly. I slid out on gravel on a bend coming down a remote mountain road in Donegal and ended up with my hands shredded and my friend's mum scrubbing the gravel out. I couldn't have held the bars the next day.TheBigBean said:
Crashing usually involves pain beyond grazed hands. I can't remember ever injuring my hands although most of my crashes have been off road.Pross said:
You haven't crashed on a bit of road with loose stones?TheBigBean said:
I've never understood people's obsession with wearing gloves on a bike. I only wear them on a bike if it is freezing cold.Pross said:I don't understand not wearing gloves at the best of times let alone in P-R but Magnus disagrees and he knows a little bit more than me
Generally it's the damage you can do if crashing. For example, why risk shredding your hands on Stage 1 of the Tour and being in pain or, at least, discomfort for the next week when you can easily protect them? On P-R though it's more I would have thought anything that protects you from the pounding would be a benefit. It feels a bit like not bothering with padded shorts.
And get some comfortable bar tape.
What did Magnus say?
Magnus reckoned in wet weather no gloves is better as feel is more important on slippery roads. Lizzie's hands were covered in blood at the end.0 -
You did see the raw skin from blisters on both her hands when she did the finish line pose?elbowloh said:
Same. Don't like gloves or mitts at all on the bikeTheBigBean said:
I've never understood people's obsession with wearing gloves on a bike. I only wear them on a bike if it is freezing cold.Pross said:I don't understand not wearing gloves at the best of times let alone in P-R but Magnus disagrees and he knows a little bit more than me
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#endofdebateThe above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Nah, just means she needs to ride gloveless more. See Boonen and MvDP as examples.pblakeney said:#endofdebate
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Not if she wants to keep her hands as soft as her face. 😉The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
First winner married to a Donegal man.ddraver said:G'wan Lizzie!!
First Womans winner, first British Winner!“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!1 -
First winner married to a Donegal man.ddraver said:G'wan Lizzie!!
First Womans winner, first British Winner!“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
So good it's worth saying twice. 😉The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Solid race. Still favour more length, because longer races give you more different types of winners depending on parcours. Short races favour the allroundy types. This is an overarching problem in women's cycling.
Deignan's control on the wet cobbles was world class!PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 20230 -
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Trek are paying the difference now apparently.Dorset_Boy said:They need to sort out the disgraceful prize money discrepancy - Euro 7,500 pot for the ladies and Euro 90,000 for the men!
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Pidcock missing this is feeling like a big mistake.0
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Given in his season where he’s won a semi classic, a mountain bike World Cup race and an Olympic gold medal I guess he won’t be too disappointed.1
