Olympics All Format Spoiler Thread
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Paralympics starts 24th August.0
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Some bike race in Flanders as wellWarning No formatter is installed for the format0
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Skater.Lanterne_Rogue said:
Did their wrist, but fortunately only soft tissue and a splint. Was back on the board by evening.rick_chasey said:
Which bone?Lanterne_Rogue said:
Casting stones? It's NHS staff casting their bloody wrist I'm worried about!pblakeney said:
Cycling has sent me to hospital as many times as skateboarding ever did.Lanterne_Rogue said:Anyone sceptical about the ability of the Olympics to encourage participation, specifically in skateboarding, might be reassured by my eldest's trip to A&E this morning...
Sky Brown might turn out to be the thing that finishes the NHS off.
I'd be wary of casting stones. 😉
(In all seriousness there's loads of skateboards in the campsite - more than I've ever seen before - so something's up)The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
I've re-read this several times now, and I'm failing to figure out what the angle is?First.Aspect said:Some Olympians, swimmers, have more opportunity in a week than Redgrave had in 20 years.
The comparison I would make is Pendleton vs. Trott/Kenny.
VP was a once in a generation athlete, in a generation when being male gave you more opportunity.
Laura rode her wave.
Probably not a popular opinion.
Are you saying Laura Kenny is lucky, or that she is fortunate to have ridden (mostly) after Pendleton, or something else entirely.
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The second one. This generation of athletes have had the lottery funded machinery behind them since they started.daniel_b said:
I've re-read this several times now, and I'm failing to figure out what the angle is?First.Aspect said:Some Olympians, swimmers, have more opportunity in a week than Redgrave had in 20 years.
The comparison I would make is Pendleton vs. Trott/Kenny.
VP was a once in a generation athlete, in a generation when being male gave you more opportunity.
Laura rode her wave.
Probably not a popular opinion.
Are you saying Laura Kenny is lucky, or that she is fortunate to have ridden (mostly) after Pendleton, or something else entirely.
I think the further you go back, the harder it was for the GB athletes. And "greatest Olympian" necessarily excludes people who can only comete in a single event in each games.
Queen Vic was particularly hard done by when she was at her best by the UCI and IOC somehow thinking it was okay to have more men's events until well into the 21st century.0 -
You can only go with the opportunities you have open to you at the time though.
Another argument could be that VP rode disciplines that LK has never specialised in or targeted - VP was Team sprint, Keirin and Sprint.
Pretty sure they tried LK once or twice at sprinting, but wasn't really her thing.
So even if Madison, 4km pursuit had been available, can't see VP would have been able to make use of them.
Would you also argue that Hoy was fortunate to have been racing when there was more mens events, and that Jason Kenny is hard done by (In recent times) as a result, now that the number of mens options have reduced?
I agree the turning point for the majority of athletes is evidently the lottery funding, and being able to become a full time athlete.
Pretty sure (Happy to be proven wrong) it's Boardman's 92 Olympic performance that was the catalyst for the Manchester Velodrome being built, allowing the whole project to properly take off.
Have to say, watching the Olympics, I did feel we missed a real women's sprint figure like Becky James, hopefully someone will come along of a similar stature soon, as I think having a 'figure head' of sorts really seems to elevate other team members performances.
In the same way when we had VP and CH spearheading the two sprinters teams, although admittedly the women's team never really gained the extra depth until James came along.
Now it looks like J Kenny may make one more olympics, Carlin is looking awesome, and hopefully Truman will come back.
That's a question - I watched the Hoy documentary (Which is well worth a watch on iplayer and is only 30 minutes) about Keirin racing and the school in Japan.
Truman and Dimitriev were both there, but only the latter was at the Olympics.
I'm assuming Truman will be given another chance when he has completed Keirin school, as I recall him being rather good.Felt F70 05 (Turbo)
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I thought she came in not long after the start of lottery funding. And she had 3 events she could ride (and did): individual sprint, team sprint and keirin IIRC. I don't think Laura Kenny has had an advantage, apart from the increased expertise of the BC Track set-up.It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.3
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I think Pendleton got a fair crack of the whip in terms of opportunities to race. I'm not sure she had the same support as she would have had more recently though - it was a much more laddish era.0
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Per wikipedia this is the case with all the combat sportsDorset_Boy said:Was the boxing tally helped by losing semi finalists being given a bronze, whereas in all (?) other sports they have to play off for a bronze medal?
Which I suppose is for safety reasons - not making a beaten fighter fight again
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Olympic medals by tier based on my opinion
God Tier
Athletics - Track 100m, 200m, Marathon, Decathlon, Heptathlon
Boxing
Top Tier
Athletics - Track Middle & Long Distance
Swimming - all events if >4 golds
Middle Tier
Athletics - Hurdles, 4x100, 4x400
Athletics - Field Events
Swimming - all events
Gymnastics - Artistic
Rowing
Weightlifting
Track cycling
Bottom Tier
Diving
Basketball
Canoeing
Badminton
BMX
Mountain biking
Road cycling
Gymnastics - Artistic
Rugby sevens
Sailing
Shooting
Triathlon
So?
Artistic swimming
Marathon swimming
Water polo
Archery
Badminton
Softball
Equestrian
Gymnastics - Rhythmic
Trampoline
Handball
Judo
Karate
Modern pentathlon
Skateboarding
Sport climbing
Surfing
Table tennis
Taekwondo
Tennis
Volleyball
Beach volleyball
Wrestling Freestyle
Wrestling Greco-Roman
Golf
Football
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Lottery funding came in year's before Pendleton came along. She had the same lottery funded machinery behind her since she started, too.salsiccia1 said:I thought she came in not long after the start of lottery funding. And she had 3 events she could ride (and did): individual sprint, team sprint and keirin IIRC. I don't think Laura Kenny has had an advantage, apart from the increased expertise of the BC Track set-up.
Also, she had 4 events, not 3 in which to compete. The men had the kilo, the women had the 500 metres.
How else could Becky be the most successful rider ever at a World champs, to date?
On the other hand, Laura Kenny had her main individual event completely restructured, with her best events removed and the laughable tempo race introduced.
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In 2008 the only track sprint event for women was the match sprint - men had the keirin and team sprint too - so Pendleton could potentially have had 2 more medals.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0
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God Tiertailwindhome said:Olympic medals by tier based on my opinion
God Tier
Athletics - Track 100m, 200m, Marathon, Decathlon, Heptathlon
Boxing
Top Tier
Athletics - Track Middle & Long Distance
Swimming - all events if >4 golds
Middle Tier
Athletics - Hurdles, 4x100, 4x400
Athletics - Field Events
Swimming - all events
Gymnastics - Artistic
Rowing
Weightlifting
Track cycling
Bottom Tier
Diving
Basketball
Canoeing
Badminton
BMX
Mountain biking
Road cycling
Gymnastics - Artistic
Rugby sevens
Sailing
Shooting
Triathlon
So?
Artistic swimming
Marathon swimming
Water polo
Archery
Badminton
Softball
Equestrian
Gymnastics - Rhythmic
Trampoline
Handball
Judo
Karate
Modern pentathlon
Skateboarding
Sport climbing
Surfing
Table tennis
Taekwondo
Tennis
Volleyball
Beach volleyball
Wrestling Freestyle
Wrestling Greco-Roman
Golf
Football
Marathon, 1500 metres, 100 metres, multi events.
Top Tier
Any other individual athletics event except race walking.
Boxing
Gymnastics overall medal
Middle
All swimming and diving
Gymnastics
Track Cycling
Road Cycling
BMX
skate
Ping Pong
Badminton
Any other combat sport
Race walking
Athletics relays
Triathlon
Surfing
Individual horse stuff
Bottom
MTB
Climbing
Golf
Anything else not mentioned
Canoeing
Rhythmic Gymnastics
(except stuff I've forgotten)
Golf
Tri Relay
Team horse stuff
Modern pentathlon
Sailing
Below any classification
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Oh right.DeVlaeminck said:In 2008 the only track sprint event for women was the match sprint - men had the keirin and team sprint too - so Pendleton could potentially have had 2 more medals.
I should have realised this being the Olympic thread, the gender inequality referred to the games.
I was thinking about competition in general, on an annual basis.
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Why are the multi events rated higher than the events where you actually have to be the best at something?0
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Ireland have 35 Olympic medalsddraver said:Boxing is too high.
18 in boxing
It's top tier
It's also one of the few sports that pulls winners from all continents (albeit at different weights)
And arguably the greatest sports icon of all time has a gold medal in this event
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Daley Thompson and thousands of broken joystickskingstongraham said:Why are the multi events rated higher than the events where you actually have to be the best at something?
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Because it's not the 100 or 200rick_chasey said:Lol how is 400m not top tier
It's the FA Cup of athletics
Only really God tier if combined with something else in a double
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Admire your honesty 😜tailwindhome said:
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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400m runners are baller.tailwindhome said:
Because it's not the 100 or 200rick_chasey said:Lol how is 400m not top tier
It's the FA Cup of athletics
Only really God tier if combined with something else in a double
(note I'm wrongly lumping it in with middle distance)
200m is not top tier, as it’s for 400m and 100m runners to slug it out.
I would say all individual events in the Olympic stadium are top tier if we’re being objective.2 -
Ok, I'll play along
God tier
100m, 4x100m relay
Dec/hep-tahtlons
Marathons...I guess...
4x100m freestyle relay
Team pursuit
(rowing 8? Or would it be coxless 4)
Induvidual Combined gymnastics
Top tier
All events where it is the pinnacle of the sport
Mid tier
All other events/events that aren't even that big a deal within the sport (looking at you here, swimming, equestrianism and...The Omnium)
Low tier
Road cycling, tennis, golf
Sports of questionable "globalness" ie (rugby7s (😥), handball, volleyball, modern pentathlon (not sure why either, but let's be honest 🤡)
Archery + shooting
Junior tier
Boxing (sorry twh ♥️)
lol tier
Mens football
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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400m is greater than 200m in my book. The 200m is basically a second chance for those that missed a medal in the 100m. Seriously tough event too, just that bit too long to be completely anaerobic, can't stay flat out for the whole length but also not long enough to run tactically.tailwindhome said:
Because it's not the 100 or 200rick_chasey said:Lol how is 400m not top tier
It's the FA Cup of athletics
Only really God tier if combined with something else in a double
(note I'm wrongly lumping it in with middle distance)0 -
Euphemism?tailwindhome said:
Daley Thompson and thousands of broken joystickskingstongraham said:Why are the multi events rated higher than the events where you actually have to be the best at something?
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It gets worse when you find out that many young people had a blister on their hands afterwardsPross said:
Euphemism?tailwindhome said:
Daley Thompson and thousands of broken joystickskingstongraham said:Why are the multi events rated higher than the events where you actually have to be the best at something?
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Yes wasn't particularly a reply to your post Blazing even though it follows it - was just a general comment on the discussion.blazing_saddles said:
Oh right.DeVlaeminck said:In 2008 the only track sprint event for women was the match sprint - men had the keirin and team sprint too - so Pendleton could potentially have had 2 more medals.
I should have realised this being the Olympic thread, the gender inequality referred to the games.
I was thinking about competition in general, on an annual basis.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0
