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  • pblakeney said:

    rjsterry said:

    If I ruled, there would be capital gains tax on main residences, but you would be allowed to defer it when buying a new more expensive property.

    You'd only pay it when you sold the property then?
    As above, when downsizing.
    would hat not make people even less likely to downsize?
    Indeed. It would add a massive distortion to the property market and ensure even more elderly people end up with oversized properties that they can't afford to maintain. Just look at the effort people went to to avoid a bit of extra stamp duty a few years back.
    I fail to see the logic in struggling financially with an oversized property that could be sold for a profit.
    thinking with the heart and not the head
    I struggle to understand this. Imagine someone is sitting on a £1m capital gain. They could sell, spend £300k on a nice warm flat, take £700k in profit less £140k capital gains (£560k of cash for them), then go on an annual cruise and live it up. Or they could be cold, poor and pay £200k capital gains tax when they die anyway.
    Or they could buy a more expensive house and pay no tax, live in it for 5 minutes and sell it for a £1k capital gain and pay £200 tax and upgrade their cabin
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,537

    pblakeney said:

    rjsterry said:

    If I ruled, there would be capital gains tax on main residences, but you would be allowed to defer it when buying a new more expensive property.

    You'd only pay it when you sold the property then?
    As above, when downsizing.
    would hat not make people even less likely to downsize?
    Indeed. It would add a massive distortion to the property market and ensure even more elderly people end up with oversized properties that they can't afford to maintain. Just look at the effort people went to to avoid a bit of extra stamp duty a few years back.
    I fail to see the logic in struggling financially with an oversized property that could be sold for a profit.
    thinking with the heart and not the head
    I struggle to understand this. Imagine someone is sitting on a £1m capital gain. They could sell, spend £300k on a nice warm flat, take £700k in profit less £140k capital gains (£560k of cash for them), then go on an annual cruise and live it up. Or they could be cold, poor and pay £200k capital gains tax when they die anyway.
    I'm sure allowing someone to deduct the cost of their next home from their capital gains would have absolutely no unintended consequences 😊.
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,891
    rjsterry said:

    pblakeney said:

    rjsterry said:

    If I ruled, there would be capital gains tax on main residences, but you would be allowed to defer it when buying a new more expensive property.

    You'd only pay it when you sold the property then?
    As above, when downsizing.
    would hat not make people even less likely to downsize?
    Indeed. It would add a massive distortion to the property market and ensure even more elderly people end up with oversized properties that they can't afford to maintain. Just look at the effort people went to to avoid a bit of extra stamp duty a few years back.
    I fail to see the logic in struggling financially with an oversized property that could be sold for a profit.
    thinking with the heart and not the head
    I struggle to understand this. Imagine someone is sitting on a £1m capital gain. They could sell, spend £300k on a nice warm flat, take £700k in profit less £140k capital gains (£560k of cash for them), then go on an annual cruise and live it up. Or they could be cold, poor and pay £200k capital gains tax when they die anyway.
    I'm sure allowing someone to deduct the cost of their next home from their capital gains would have absolutely no unintended consequences 😊.
    What downside do you see? The concept isn't wild e.g. rollover relief already exists for business for some assets.

    I just don't understand why someone should be able to receive a vast amount of money tax free.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,891

    pblakeney said:

    rjsterry said:

    If I ruled, there would be capital gains tax on main residences, but you would be allowed to defer it when buying a new more expensive property.

    You'd only pay it when you sold the property then?
    As above, when downsizing.
    would hat not make people even less likely to downsize?
    Indeed. It would add a massive distortion to the property market and ensure even more elderly people end up with oversized properties that they can't afford to maintain. Just look at the effort people went to to avoid a bit of extra stamp duty a few years back.
    I fail to see the logic in struggling financially with an oversized property that could be sold for a profit.
    thinking with the heart and not the head
    I struggle to understand this. Imagine someone is sitting on a £1m capital gain. They could sell, spend £300k on a nice warm flat, take £700k in profit less £140k capital gains (£560k of cash for them), then go on an annual cruise and live it up. Or they could be cold, poor and pay £200k capital gains tax when they die anyway.
    Or they could buy a more expensive house and pay no tax, live in it for 5 minutes and sell it for a £1k capital gain and pay £200 tax and upgrade their cabin
    They wouldn't eliminate the CGT liability simply by buying a new property. The base amount would remain as per the purchase of the original property.
  • pblakeney said:

    rjsterry said:

    If I ruled, there would be capital gains tax on main residences, but you would be allowed to defer it when buying a new more expensive property.

    You'd only pay it when you sold the property then?
    As above, when downsizing.
    would hat not make people even less likely to downsize?
    Indeed. It would add a massive distortion to the property market and ensure even more elderly people end up with oversized properties that they can't afford to maintain. Just look at the effort people went to to avoid a bit of extra stamp duty a few years back.
    I fail to see the logic in struggling financially with an oversized property that could be sold for a profit.
    thinking with the heart and not the head
    I struggle to understand this. Imagine someone is sitting on a £1m capital gain. They could sell, spend £300k on a nice warm flat, take £700k in profit less £140k capital gains (£560k of cash for them), then go on an annual cruise and live it up. Or they could be cold, poor and pay £200k capital gains tax when they die anyway.
    Or they could buy a more expensive house and pay no tax, live in it for 5 minutes and sell it for a £1k capital gain and pay £200 tax and upgrade their cabin
    They wouldn't eliminate the CGT liability simply by buying a new property. The base amount would remain as per the purchase of the original property.
    So you would roll up the capital from each of your properties and then pay it when you downsize?

    That is going to be one hell of a downsize.

    Whilst I think your idea is madder than all of mine put together I do think one good unintended consequence is that if people added up the true costs of buying, owning and selling property they would stop kidding themselves about how much profit they had made.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,891

    pblakeney said:

    rjsterry said:

    If I ruled, there would be capital gains tax on main residences, but you would be allowed to defer it when buying a new more expensive property.

    You'd only pay it when you sold the property then?
    As above, when downsizing.
    would hat not make people even less likely to downsize?
    Indeed. It would add a massive distortion to the property market and ensure even more elderly people end up with oversized properties that they can't afford to maintain. Just look at the effort people went to to avoid a bit of extra stamp duty a few years back.
    I fail to see the logic in struggling financially with an oversized property that could be sold for a profit.
    thinking with the heart and not the head
    I struggle to understand this. Imagine someone is sitting on a £1m capital gain. They could sell, spend £300k on a nice warm flat, take £700k in profit less £140k capital gains (£560k of cash for them), then go on an annual cruise and live it up. Or they could be cold, poor and pay £200k capital gains tax when they die anyway.
    Or they could buy a more expensive house and pay no tax, live in it for 5 minutes and sell it for a £1k capital gain and pay £200 tax and upgrade their cabin
    They wouldn't eliminate the CGT liability simply by buying a new property. The base amount would remain as per the purchase of the original property.
    So you would roll up the capital from each of your properties and then pay it when you downsize?

    That is going to be one hell of a downsize.

    Whilst I think your idea is madder than all of mine put together I do think one good unintended consequence is that if people added up the true costs of buying, owning and selling property they would stop kidding themselves about how much profit they had made.
    That's quite a put down!

    You make it sound like it would be very hard when it would be fairly simple. Every time you buy a property the amount of roll over relief would be included.

  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,891
    And claiming that the amount is large conveniently overlooks the large untaxed profit being made.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,314
    You'd almost think that some are looking forward to this tax free windfall.
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  • pblakeney said:

    rjsterry said:

    If I ruled, there would be capital gains tax on main residences, but you would be allowed to defer it when buying a new more expensive property.

    You'd only pay it when you sold the property then?
    As above, when downsizing.
    would hat not make people even less likely to downsize?
    Indeed. It would add a massive distortion to the property market and ensure even more elderly people end up with oversized properties that they can't afford to maintain. Just look at the effort people went to to avoid a bit of extra stamp duty a few years back.
    I fail to see the logic in struggling financially with an oversized property that could be sold for a profit.
    thinking with the heart and not the head
    I struggle to understand this. Imagine someone is sitting on a £1m capital gain. They could sell, spend £300k on a nice warm flat, take £700k in profit less £140k capital gains (£560k of cash for them), then go on an annual cruise and live it up. Or they could be cold, poor and pay £200k capital gains tax when they die anyway.
    Or they could buy a more expensive house and pay no tax, live in it for 5 minutes and sell it for a £1k capital gain and pay £200 tax and upgrade their cabin
    They wouldn't eliminate the CGT liability simply by buying a new property. The base amount would remain as per the purchase of the original property.
    So you would roll up the capital from each of your properties and then pay it when you downsize?

    That is going to be one hell of a downsize.

    Whilst I think your idea is madder than all of mine put together I do think one good unintended consequence is that if people added up the true costs of buying, owning and selling property they would stop kidding themselves about how much profit they had made.
    That's quite a put down!

    You make it sound like it would be very hard when it would be fairly simple. Every time you buy a property the amount of roll over relief would be included.

    I get that is hypothetical but surely you have to deduct stamp duty, estate agents fees, surveys, legal costs, mortgage arrangement fee, mortgage interest plus any remortgage costs, log cabin in garden, extension, new kitchen, painting and decorating, new roof, garden landscaping, cost of a gardener, new boiler, flooring?
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,891

    pblakeney said:

    rjsterry said:

    If I ruled, there would be capital gains tax on main residences, but you would be allowed to defer it when buying a new more expensive property.

    You'd only pay it when you sold the property then?
    As above, when downsizing.
    would hat not make people even less likely to downsize?
    Indeed. It would add a massive distortion to the property market and ensure even more elderly people end up with oversized properties that they can't afford to maintain. Just look at the effort people went to to avoid a bit of extra stamp duty a few years back.
    I fail to see the logic in struggling financially with an oversized property that could be sold for a profit.
    thinking with the heart and not the head
    I struggle to understand this. Imagine someone is sitting on a £1m capital gain. They could sell, spend £300k on a nice warm flat, take £700k in profit less £140k capital gains (£560k of cash for them), then go on an annual cruise and live it up. Or they could be cold, poor and pay £200k capital gains tax when they die anyway.
    Or they could buy a more expensive house and pay no tax, live in it for 5 minutes and sell it for a £1k capital gain and pay £200 tax and upgrade their cabin
    They wouldn't eliminate the CGT liability simply by buying a new property. The base amount would remain as per the purchase of the original property.
    So you would roll up the capital from each of your properties and then pay it when you downsize?

    That is going to be one hell of a downsize.

    Whilst I think your idea is madder than all of mine put together I do think one good unintended consequence is that if people added up the true costs of buying, owning and selling property they would stop kidding themselves about how much profit they had made.
    That's quite a put down!

    You make it sound like it would be very hard when it would be fairly simple. Every time you buy a property the amount of roll over relief would be included.

    I get that is hypothetical but surely you have to deduct stamp duty, estate agents fees, surveys, legal costs, mortgage arrangement fee, mortgage interest plus any remortgage costs, log cabin in garden, extension, new kitchen, painting and decorating, new roof, garden landscaping, cost of a gardener, new boiler, flooring?
    You just do whatever is done for all other properties I.e. remove the exemption. You're overthinking this.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,891
    Here are the existing rules on other properties with regard to deductible costs.

    Deducting costs

    You can deduct costs of buying, selling or improving your property from your gain. These include:

    estate agents’ and solicitors’ fees
    costs of improvement works, for example for an extension - normal maintenance costs like decorating do not count

    You cannot deduct certain costs, like interest on a loan to buy your property
  • What is the UK tax rate on an inheritance amount of cash in the bank? As in, if last parent dies and leaves behind half a mill cash bequeathed to the kids, what tax is deducted, if any?
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,891

    What is the UK tax rate on an inheritance amount of cash in the bank? As in, if last parent dies and leaves behind half a mill cash bequeathed to the kids, what tax is deducted, if any?

    40% on amounts greater than a limit which is between £325k and £1m.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,314
    edited December 2021

    What is the UK tax rate on an inheritance amount of cash in the bank? As in, if last parent dies and leaves behind half a mill cash bequeathed to the kids, what tax is deducted, if any?

    Simple answer in the simple example given is £70k.
    Knock yourself out....

    https://www.gov.uk/inheritance-tax
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  • What is the UK tax rate on an inheritance amount of cash in the bank? As in, if last parent dies and leaves behind half a mill cash bequeathed to the kids, what tax is deducted, if any?

    40% on amounts greater than a limit which is between £325k and £1m.
    Which is (potentially) considerably lower than the capital gains tax you’re proposing?

    If parents had bought their family home 20 years ago for (say) 75k, and it’s now “worth” 375k and is really the only major asset they have to bequeath, how would your policy not encourage people to stay put in their home till death?

    If they sell at 375 now to downsize, you’d be pinging them for (I think) either 18 or 28% of the 300k gain, depending on their income tax rate? Anywhere from about 60 to 100 K in CGT?

    If they stay put a few more years till death, value goes up to (say) 425k, and bequeath it to the kids instead, the estate value might well be entirely under the threshold of inheritance tax? Looks like the threshold for inheritance tax may be up to half a million if there’s a house included in the estate “value”.

    The kids would not pay the CGT till they sold it, based on gain only above the perceived market value at time they inherited it (425k) not what their parents actually paid (75k).

    Your policy still looks to me like a disincentive for parents to sell and downsize.

    Or have I screwed up the maths? (Wouldn’t be the first time…)
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,314
    Your maths may well be correct. It's too late and too many malts to be bothered.
    The principle of the proposal was not about mitigating against inheritance tax, it was about people using property as a tax free pension fund. As in selling the big house, buying a small house and living off the proceeds. All very well and good today, but name another investment that comes tax free on collection? I'd like to know.
    ISAs are about as close as I can come up with.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,314
    PS - For the record. Anyone doing this is perfectly safe as long as there is a Conservative government. Keep voting tory.
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,891

    What is the UK tax rate on an inheritance amount of cash in the bank? As in, if last parent dies and leaves behind half a mill cash bequeathed to the kids, what tax is deducted, if any?

    40% on amounts greater than a limit which is between £325k and £1m.
    Which is (potentially) considerably lower than the capital gains tax you’re proposing?

    If parents had bought their family home 20 years ago for (say) 75k, and it’s now “worth” 375k and is really the only major asset they have to bequeath, how would your policy not encourage people to stay put in their home till death?

    If they sell at 375 now to downsize, you’d be pinging them for (I think) either 18 or 28% of the 300k gain, depending on their income tax rate? Anywhere from about 60 to 100 K in CGT?

    If they stay put a few more years till death, value goes up to (say) 425k, and bequeath it to the kids instead, the estate value might well be entirely under the threshold of inheritance tax? Looks like the threshold for inheritance tax may be up to half a million if there’s a house included in the estate “value”.

    The kids would not pay the CGT till they sold it, based on gain only above the perceived market value at time they inherited it (425k) not what their parents actually paid (75k).

    Your policy still looks to me like a disincentive for parents to sell and downsize.

    Or have I screwed up the maths? (Wouldn’t be the first time…)
    Assuming I'm ruling the world, the CGT would be due on death prior to, and in addition to, inheritance tax. Probably some safeguards for surviving partners, but the liability won't disappear.
  • What is the UK tax rate on an inheritance amount of cash in the bank? As in, if last parent dies and leaves behind half a mill cash bequeathed to the kids, what tax is deducted, if any?

    40% on amounts greater than a limit which is between £325k and £1m.
    Which is (potentially) considerably lower than the capital gains tax you’re proposing?

    If parents had bought their family home 20 years ago for (say) 75k, and it’s now “worth” 375k and is really the only major asset they have to bequeath, how would your policy not encourage people to stay put in their home till death?

    If they sell at 375 now to downsize, you’d be pinging them for (I think) either 18 or 28% of the 300k gain, depending on their income tax rate? Anywhere from about 60 to 100 K in CGT?

    If they stay put a few more years till death, value goes up to (say) 425k, and bequeath it to the kids instead, the estate value might well be entirely under the threshold of inheritance tax? Looks like the threshold for inheritance tax may be up to half a million if there’s a house included in the estate “value”.

    The kids would not pay the CGT till they sold it, based on gain only above the perceived market value at time they inherited it (425k) not what their parents actually paid (75k).

    Your policy still looks to me like a disincentive for parents to sell and downsize.

    Or have I screwed up the maths? (Wouldn’t be the first time…)
    Assuming I'm ruling the world, the CGT would be due on death prior to, and in addition to, inheritance tax. Probably some safeguards for surviving partners, but the liability won't disappear.
    I’d have doubts your reign would last long if you implement that policy, but good luck with the campaign.
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,891

    What is the UK tax rate on an inheritance amount of cash in the bank? As in, if last parent dies and leaves behind half a mill cash bequeathed to the kids, what tax is deducted, if any?

    40% on amounts greater than a limit which is between £325k and £1m.
    Which is (potentially) considerably lower than the capital gains tax you’re proposing?

    If parents had bought their family home 20 years ago for (say) 75k, and it’s now “worth” 375k and is really the only major asset they have to bequeath, how would your policy not encourage people to stay put in their home till death?

    If they sell at 375 now to downsize, you’d be pinging them for (I think) either 18 or 28% of the 300k gain, depending on their income tax rate? Anywhere from about 60 to 100 K in CGT?

    If they stay put a few more years till death, value goes up to (say) 425k, and bequeath it to the kids instead, the estate value might well be entirely under the threshold of inheritance tax? Looks like the threshold for inheritance tax may be up to half a million if there’s a house included in the estate “value”.

    The kids would not pay the CGT till they sold it, based on gain only above the perceived market value at time they inherited it (425k) not what their parents actually paid (75k).

    Your policy still looks to me like a disincentive for parents to sell and downsize.

    Or have I screwed up the maths? (Wouldn’t be the first time…)
    Assuming I'm ruling the world, the CGT would be due on death prior to, and in addition to, inheritance tax. Probably some safeguards for surviving partners, but the liability won't disappear.
    I’d have doubts your reign would last long if you implement that policy, but good luck with the campaign.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,462
    edited December 2021

    What is the UK tax rate on an inheritance amount of cash in the bank? As in, if last parent dies and leaves behind half a mill cash bequeathed to the kids, what tax is deducted, if any?

    40% on amounts greater than a limit which is between £325k and £1m.
    Which is (potentially) considerably lower than the capital gains tax you’re proposing?

    If parents had bought their family home 20 years ago for (say) 75k, and it’s now “worth” 375k and is really the only major asset they have to bequeath, how would your policy not encourage people to stay put in their home till death?

    If they sell at 375 now to downsize, you’d be pinging them for (I think) either 18 or 28% of the 300k gain, depending on their income tax rate? Anywhere from about 60 to 100 K in CGT?

    If they stay put a few more years till death, value goes up to (say) 425k, and bequeath it to the kids instead, the estate value might well be entirely under the threshold of inheritance tax? Looks like the threshold for inheritance tax may be up to half a million if there’s a house included in the estate “value”.

    The kids would not pay the CGT till they sold it, based on gain only above the perceived market value at time they inherited it (425k) not what their parents actually paid (75k).

    Your policy still looks to me like a disincentive for parents to sell and downsize.

    Or have I screwed up the maths? (Wouldn’t be the first time…)
    Assuming I'm ruling the world, the CGT would be due on death prior to, and in addition to, inheritance tax. Probably some safeguards for surviving partners, but the liability won't disappear.
    I’d have doubts your reign would last long if you implement that policy, but good luck with the campaign.
    Hardly anyone would consider his policy when voting as it doesn't affect them day to day. Adding 1p on income tax or NI would probably make them pay more attention and the current Government is already increasing NI.
  • Pross said:

    What is the UK tax rate on an inheritance amount of cash in the bank? As in, if last parent dies and leaves behind half a mill cash bequeathed to the kids, what tax is deducted, if any?

    40% on amounts greater than a limit which is between £325k and £1m.
    Which is (potentially) considerably lower than the capital gains tax you’re proposing?

    If parents had bought their family home 20 years ago for (say) 75k, and it’s now “worth” 375k and is really the only major asset they have to bequeath, how would your policy not encourage people to stay put in their home till death?

    If they sell at 375 now to downsize, you’d be pinging them for (I think) either 18 or 28% of the 300k gain, depending on their income tax rate? Anywhere from about 60 to 100 K in CGT?

    If they stay put a few more years till death, value goes up to (say) 425k, and bequeath it to the kids instead, the estate value might well be entirely under the threshold of inheritance tax? Looks like the threshold for inheritance tax may be up to half a million if there’s a house included in the estate “value”.

    The kids would not pay the CGT till they sold it, based on gain only above the perceived market value at time they inherited it (425k) not what their parents actually paid (75k).

    Your policy still looks to me like a disincentive for parents to sell and downsize.

    Or have I screwed up the maths? (Wouldn’t be the first time…)
    Assuming I'm ruling the world, the CGT would be due on death prior to, and in addition to, inheritance tax. Probably some safeguards for surviving partners, but the liability won't disappear.
    I’d have doubts your reign would last long if you implement that policy, but good luck with the campaign.
    Hardly anyone would consider his policy when voting as it doesn't affect them day to day. Adding 1p on income tax or NI would probably make them pay more attention and the current Government is already increasing NI.
    I wasn't thinking so much of his chances at the polling booths per se. More that during his reign he should avoid areas near a grassy knoll, or any photo ops at construction sites when they're pouring foundations... :-)
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,891
    Fairly sure my views on inheritance tax would dwarf my views on CGT in terms of unelectability.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,537

    rjsterry said:

    pblakeney said:

    rjsterry said:

    If I ruled, there would be capital gains tax on main residences, but you would be allowed to defer it when buying a new more expensive property.

    You'd only pay it when you sold the property then?
    As above, when downsizing.
    would hat not make people even less likely to downsize?
    Indeed. It would add a massive distortion to the property market and ensure even more elderly people end up with oversized properties that they can't afford to maintain. Just look at the effort people went to to avoid a bit of extra stamp duty a few years back.
    I fail to see the logic in struggling financially with an oversized property that could be sold for a profit.
    thinking with the heart and not the head
    I struggle to understand this. Imagine someone is sitting on a £1m capital gain. They could sell, spend £300k on a nice warm flat, take £700k in profit less £140k capital gains (£560k of cash for them), then go on an annual cruise and live it up. Or they could be cold, poor and pay £200k capital gains tax when they die anyway.
    I'm sure allowing someone to deduct the cost of their next home from their capital gains would have absolutely no unintended consequences 😊.
    What downside do you see? The concept isn't wild e.g. rollover relief already exists for business for some assets.

    I just don't understand why someone should be able to receive a vast amount of money tax free.
    I don't think they should but you know people already go out of the way to avoid property taxes.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661


    Never fear, negative yielding treasury bills.

    SC should be pleased


  • Never fear, negative yielding treasury bills.

    SC should be pleased
    not my area of specialised knowledge, I didn't even know one month wa a thing.

    Are people buying that to speculate or is it companies needing to keep tens of millions somewhere for a month and don't trust banks to still be there?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661

    or is it companies needing to keep tens of millions somewhere for a month and don't trust banks to still be there?

    Basically this. Banks don't want that sort of business anymore in the post GFC regulation.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,314

    All eyes turn to the Bank of England which will consider next week whether to raise the base rate.

    Some mortgage lenders have raised their interest rates slightly, after a period of intense competition and ultra-low costs for borrowers.

    Official forecasters say the biggest mortgage rate rises will be in 2023.

    The Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) - the government's official, independent forecaster - said inflation (which measures the cost of living) was likely to speed up to 4% next year.

    In response, it predicted a rise in the Bank rate next year, and the year after, from its current record low of 0.1%. It said the Bank rate would not be expected to breach the 1% mark, although it could go as high as 3.5% if inflation went above 5%.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59091003
    Inflation currently being reported at 5.1%.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59663947
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited December 2021
    Real wages falling. So much for rebirth of bargaining power.

    With corona and lack of demand driving inflation (its supply side) boe has its hands tied
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,891
    RPI is 7.1%.

    No one could have foreseen this.