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rick_chasey

briantrumpet said:

rick_chasey said:

Amazing

if it went to court I’d need to build a fighting fund. Susan and I talked about that and decided maybe the best way of financing it would be selling my apartment in New York.’

He’s amazingly self centred in that article.

It’s all “me” and “my reputation”

He's always struck me as a wannabe, who never quite had the heft of a Robin Day or Brian Walden, and then sullied his reputation with his working for Murdoch.

I never really got the fuss. In my mind he always played second fiddle in the male big aggressive interviewers to Paxman, and I rate Kirsty Wark over both.

Emily Matlis showed she’s just as good as any of them too.

rick_chasey

https://twitter.com/russincheshire/status/1457492092171784194?s=21

Pross

How much longer can they keep going? They seem intent on self-parody.

I wonder if those who were advocating on here that it was good to have a news channel that gave them a voice are happy to admit this sort of thing is speaking for them?

davidof

rick_chasey said:

I never really got the fuss. In my mind he always played second fiddle in the male big aggressive interviewers to Paxman, and I rate Kirsty Wark over both.

Emily Matlis showed she’s just as good as any of them too.

Maitlis hmmm. Her reporting on Hillary Clinton at the Trump/Clinton election was sychophantically laughable. Even she apologised for it.

Paxman was ok on politics, not so much at numbers/economics which is where Neil was much better. What did Paxo study at Cambridge?

As for Sir Robin Day, a bit before my time.

https://youtu.be/ny7nvnshhkg

briantrumpet

rick_chasey said:

https://twitter.com/russincheshire/status/1457492092171784194?s=21

Well, maybe it is just a parody of itself, but I distinctly remember Remainers being scoffed at for pointing out that the EU/EEC had been a major factor (if not the reason) for there having been no wars within its borders since WW2.

I suppose if the UK and France did start firing guns at each other, it still wouldn't be within the EU.

davidof

briantrumpet said:

Well, maybe it is just a parody of itself, but I distinctly remember Remainers being scoffed at for pointing out that the EU/EEC had been a major factor (if not the reason) for there having been no wars within its borders since WW2.

I think the scoffers were probably right. For the last 200 years Germany (Prussia / Hapsburg empire), France and England have been the principal belligerents.

France is nuclear armed, nobody is going to star war with France.
Ditto for the UK
Germans has had heavy restrictions placed on them militarily.

All three have, more or less, been in the NATO command structure for the last 70 years.

briantrumpet

davidof said:

briantrumpet said:

Well, maybe it is just a parody of itself, but I distinctly remember Remainers being scoffed at for pointing out that the EU/EEC had been a major factor (if not the reason) for there having been no wars within its borders since WW2.

I think the scoffers were probably right. For the last 200 years Germany (Prussia / Hapsburg empire), France and England have been the principal belligerents.

France is nuclear armed, nobody is going to star war with France.
Ditto for the UK
Germans has had heavy restrictions placed on them militarily.

All three have, more or less, been in the NATO command structure for the last 70 years.

But we've been out of the EU for a blink of an eye, and the fact that this could even be a headline, albeit in a media side show, illustrates how quickly things can change, and how easily we took for granted what we had.

MattFalle

davidof said:

briantrumpet said:

Well, maybe it is just a parody of itself, but I distinctly remember Remainers being scoffed at for pointing out that the EU/EEC had been a major factor (if not the reason) for there having been no wars within its borders since WW2.

I think the scoffers were probably right. For the last 200 years Germany (Prussia / Hapsburg empire), France and England have been the principal belligerents.

France is nuclear armed, nobody is going to star war with France.
Ditto for the UK
Germans has had heavy restrictions placed on them militarily.

All three have, more or less, been in the NATO command structure for the last 70 years.

if i was a major country and we weren't going to fire nukes at each other, and it was a one on one scrap then yeah, i'd pick a fight with the UK, especially at the mo'.

davidof

briantrumpet said:

davidof said:

briantrumpet said:

Well, maybe it is just a parody of itself, but I distinctly remember Remainers being scoffed at for pointing out that the EU/EEC had been a major factor (if not the reason) for there having been no wars within its borders since WW2.

I think the scoffers were probably right. For the last 200 years Germany (Prussia / Hapsburg empire), France and England have been the principal belligerents.

France is nuclear armed, nobody is going to star war with France.
Ditto for the UK
Germans has had heavy restrictions placed on them militarily.

All three have, more or less, been in the NATO command structure for the last 70 years.

But we've been out of the EU for a blink of an eye, and the fact that this could even be a headline, albeit in a media side show, illustrates how quickly things can change, and how easily we took for granted what we had.

Wasn't it a headline on GB News? Isn't that by all accounts a joke channel? (I've not seen it)

davidof

MattFalle said:

if i was a major country and we weren't going to fire nukes at each other, and it was a one on one scrap then yeah, i'd pick a fight with the UK, especially at the mo'.

No one is holding you back :-)

MattFalle

davidof said:

MattFalle said:

if i was a major country and we weren't going to fire nukes at each other, and it was a one on one scrap then yeah, i'd pick a fight with the UK, especially at the mo'.

No one is holding you back :-)

i'm too busy undermining it from the inside

#yossarian

briantrumpet

davidof said:

briantrumpet said:

davidof said:

briantrumpet said:

Well, maybe it is just a parody of itself, but I distinctly remember Remainers being scoffed at for pointing out that the EU/EEC had been a major factor (if not the reason) for there having been no wars within its borders since WW2.

I think the scoffers were probably right. For the last 200 years Germany (Prussia / Hapsburg empire), France and England have been the principal belligerents.

France is nuclear armed, nobody is going to star war with France.
Ditto for the UK
Germans has had heavy restrictions placed on them militarily.

All three have, more or less, been in the NATO command structure for the last 70 years.

But we've been out of the EU for a blink of an eye, and the fact that this could even be a headline, albeit in a media side show, illustrates how quickly things can change, and how easily we took for granted what we had.

Wasn't it a headline on GB News? Isn't that by all accounts a joke channel? (I've not seen it)

According to some of the (now lurking) posters, it gives a voice to a side of the argument that wasn't represented.

But even if it is a joke channel (and remember that Trump's presidential bid was considered as a 'joke' by many, when he launched it), I'd suggest that even this headline wouldn't have been possible while we were in the EU.

MattFalle

briantrumpet said:

davidof said:

briantrumpet said:

davidof said:

briantrumpet said:

Well, maybe it is just a parody of itself, but I distinctly remember Remainers being scoffed at for pointing out that the EU/EEC had been a major factor (if not the reason) for there having been no wars within its borders since WW2.

I think the scoffers were probably right. For the last 200 years Germany (Prussia / Hapsburg empire), France and England have been the principal belligerents.

France is nuclear armed, nobody is going to star war with France.
Ditto for the UK
Germans has had heavy restrictions placed on them militarily.

All three have, more or less, been in the NATO command structure for the last 70 years.

But we've been out of the EU for a blink of an eye, and the fact that this could even be a headline, albeit in a media side show, illustrates how quickly things can change, and how easily we took for granted what we had.

Wasn't it a headline on GB News? Isn't that by all accounts a joke channel? (I've not seen it)

According to some of the (now lurking) posters, it gives a voice to a side of the argument that wasn't represented.

But even if it is a joke channel (and remember that Trump's presidential bid was considered as a 'joke' by many, when he launched it), I'd suggest that even this headline wouldn't have been possible while we were in the EU.

i'd have suggested that this headline wasn't possible before Farage, Johnson, Brexit and the rest of the Tory party made mainstream racism acceptable.

briantrumpet

MattFalle said:

briantrumpet said:

davidof said:

briantrumpet said:

davidof said:

briantrumpet said:

Well, maybe it is just a parody of itself, but I distinctly remember Remainers being scoffed at for pointing out that the EU/EEC had been a major factor (if not the reason) for there having been no wars within its borders since WW2.

I think the scoffers were probably right. For the last 200 years Germany (Prussia / Hapsburg empire), France and England have been the principal belligerents.

France is nuclear armed, nobody is going to star war with France.
Ditto for the UK
Germans has had heavy restrictions placed on them militarily.

All three have, more or less, been in the NATO command structure for the last 70 years.

But we've been out of the EU for a blink of an eye, and the fact that this could even be a headline, albeit in a media side show, illustrates how quickly things can change, and how easily we took for granted what we had.

Wasn't it a headline on GB News? Isn't that by all accounts a joke channel? (I've not seen it)

According to some of the (now lurking) posters, it gives a voice to a side of the argument that wasn't represented.

But even if it is a joke channel (and remember that Trump's presidential bid was considered as a 'joke' by many, when he launched it), I'd suggest that even this headline wouldn't have been possible while we were in the EU.

i'd have suggested that this headline wasn't possible before Farage, Johnson, Brexit and the rest of the Tory party made mainstream racism acceptable.

Can we chuck in naked populist nationalism into their contribution to the new world order too?

kingstongraham

https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1460989715008602116?t=SC6hkXEFMr_8R7YFCrsfnQ&s=19

rick_chasey

No waaaay

pblakeney

Nobody could have predicted this outcome.
Oh! 😂😂😂

Pross

Does he really expect people to believe he didn't know the direction the channel would go even pre-launch?

kingstongraham

If the greatest living journalist couldn't have predicted it, I guess nobody could have done.

rick_chasey

At least he's honest about it.

I think there's a bit of a realisation that the type of politics that he's into, Brexit, ant-wokism etc, orbits in the sale system as the real populist far-righters (who are properly nuts), and that's a bit of a blow to the ol' confidence.

I guess that's easier to see from the outside in.

davidof

rick_chasey said:

At least he's honest about it.

I think there's a bit of a realisation that the type of politics that he's into, Brexit, ant-wokism etc,

Have you any evidence he's pro Brexit? He has publicly said he's not a fan and he lives in France.

He's anti Trump as well so not really into the same politics as the populists. Maybe just not your cup of tea?

rick_chasey

To answer your question - no I have no direct evidence he is a Brexiter.

As far as I understood there was plenty of circumstantial evidence that he was and it was a bit of an open secret. The circles he operates in, his colleagues and friends often all are, and his open hostility to 'remainers' is a bit of a clue.

I don't think being anti-Trump means you are anti-populist. BoJo is very populist.

Jezyboy

rick_chasey said:

To answer your question - no I have no direct evidence he is a Brexiter.

As far as I understood there was plenty of circumstantial evidence that he was and it was a bit of an open secret. The circles he operates in, his colleagues and friends often all are, and his open hostility to 'remainers' is a bit of a clue.

I don't think being anti-Trump means you are anti-populist. BoJo is very populist.

He strikes me as someone who has played devil's advocate for so long that he no longer really knows what his own views are.

rick_chasey

Jezyboy said:

rick_chasey said:

To answer your question - no I have no direct evidence he is a Brexiter.

As far as I understood there was plenty of circumstantial evidence that he was and it was a bit of an open secret. The circles he operates in, his colleagues and friends often all are, and his open hostility to 'remainers' is a bit of a clue.

I don't think being anti-Trump means you are anti-populist. BoJo is very populist.

He strikes me as someone who has played devil's advocate for so long that he no longer really knows what his own views are.

He’s openly a climate change sceptic.

I do find it remarkable his takes on HIV (which is objectively awful) , wars in Afghanistan haven’t discredited him out of a role.

MattFalle

GB News.

not the sharpest tools in the box.

orraloon

^ that has to be a fake, no?

MattFalle

negatron. totes kosher.

kingstongraham

If you read it, it's fair enough reporting but could have a better headline.

https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1461403834161381378?t=qQjAEgdbbPMiBNrqpSHfhw&s=19

davidof

rick_chasey said:

I do find it remarkable his takes on HIV (which is objectively awful)

He was questioning the role HIV had on AIDS I believe, but a long time ago even if Owen Jones likes to dredge it up at every opportunity.

A friend of my mum's, Bill Hamilton also had some novel ideas about HIV and the medical establishment. Bill was described as one of the great thinkers of the 20th century even if he was perhaps wrong on his theory of the origins of HIV.

I don't think it is wrong to question the orthodoxy - otherwise we'd still believe the earth is flat and a course of leeches can cure cancer.

rjsterry

Bad example. The earth has been known to be spherical since ~350BC. Newton worked out that it was actually an elliptoid. Flat earthism is a 19th century invention that questioned that orthodoxy.