Euro 2020/21 (more football, sorry Brian)

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  • shimanobottombracket
    shimanobottombracket Posts: 376
    That f'ing commentator did my head in when he kept saying "Its been 55 years since England played a major semi-final", referring to the 66 WC. He might as well have said "Its been 55 years since England were any good". I don't think he realised the condescension but the "over 50 year" thing was mentioned rather a lot.

    Another way to look at it is that England are now the 2nd best team in Europe. Several of those European teams have won WCs in recent years too. England 4th in the world as of the last world cup. Despite what must be a heartbreaking time for English soccer, they are not exactly in a bad position.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,485
    Sad to see racists gone back to being racist now that the wheel has fallen off the bandwagon. Even more sad by the predictability.

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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,325
    thankfully is over...

    I went to bed after 90th minute, before then I watched a few minutes, whilst watching other crap like "Central Intelligence" with the Rock.
    I figured out we won, as the road remained incredibly quiet. Didn't care one way or the other, but I can't stand public disorder.

    Football is soooo boring
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,025
    Having seen Saka play a lot of football, I wouldn't have given him a penalty.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,996
    orraloon said:

    And...when enjoying the grief/celebrations... get the call "Dad I'm stuck can you come and collect me?" I should not have driven coz of but...empty roads innat. Sorted.

    ??

  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Pross said:

    MattFalle said:

    brother and sister.

    I hope they support Wales at all other times?
    too right.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Stevo_666 said:

    Dont worry - we won one European Championship, thanks to Chelsea :) And only a year until the World Cup.

    which you won't win but we'll have to go through this whole "irs coming home" saga again....
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    ugo.santalucia said:

    thankfully is over...

    I went to bed after 90th minute, before then I watched a few minutes, whilst watching other censored like "Central Intelligence" with the Rock.
    I figured out we won, as the road remained incredibly quiet. Didn't care one way or the other, but I can't stand public disorder.

    Football is soooo boring

    However, judging from the usual news outlets, it does seem to be a temporary cure for Covid.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,485
    blazing_saddles said:

    ugo.santalucia said:

    thankfully is over...

    I went to bed after 90th minute, before then I watched a few minutes, whilst watching other censored like "Central Intelligence" with the Rock.
    I figured out we won, as the road remained incredibly quiet. Didn't care one way or the other, but I can't stand public disorder.

    Football is soooo boring

    However, judging from the usual news outlets, it does seem to be a temporary cure for Covid.
    New strategy. Get everyone to catch it ASAP and get it over and done with.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,592
    DeVlaeminck said:

    Oh well didn't deserve to get anything from that tonight.

    Found it very difficult to get too caught up in this tournament so not too upset we didn't win it.

    Wasn't sure if it's just middle age and having seen it all before or if it's the style of football but just gave 4 19 year olds a lift back from the pub and they were all pretty scathing about England's negativity.

    Will people look back on this like they do Italia 90 or Euro 96, I can't see it.

    I thought they played really well for 30 minutes. Very positive and Italy looked old and slow by comparison. Then they managed to get the bus into position and parked it up for some inexplicable reason which took the pressure off Italy and let them start playing. They still defended well for a while but the equaliser started to feel inevitable.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Agree - first ten mins we were in shock after a brilliant opening and goal by England then they just sat there.We then got back in and the rest as they say.....

    Stirling fell over a few times (very naughty when trying to a get later on), Kane got marked out and Italy just got fluid.

    Tbh, if Rashford have just toe punted it straight down the middle instead of fannying around and thining about his image rights in the future it could have been soooo different.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    As an aside though, what does Grealish actually do apart from being kicked?

    The commentators hailed him as the next best thing since Pele but after he came on? Not a lot really tbh....
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644

    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    edited July 2021
    You can't get any closer to winning than that.

    Fair play to England. They were the second best team in the tournament (just) and had spells where they were easily the best, even in the final.

    The tactical change that really swung it was the Italian subs when they went wider and played england at their own stretching game. England ran out of options down the sides and didn't have enough forward options nearer the middle untill they changed with Trippier off for Saka - I wish Southgate had made the change 5 minutes earlier (just before the goal).

    That change settled the game down a bit, and although Italy were still stronger they weren't camped out in England's half.

    I wonder if Saka was the best sub as he didn't have the greatest game (how was southgate to know) and whether Sancho would have forced more missed tackles etc, but then you end up in the same Grealish conversation, which is basically not enough defensive discipline.
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  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,610
    I thought Declan Rice was outstanding last night, his best game by a distance.
    Equally I thought Kane was again really poor, he doesn't seem to be on the same page as his team mates and doesn't read the game. So often when he needs to be the target in the box for a cross he's awol, or makes the wrong run. He held the ball up quite well for the first 30 minutes or so, but that disappeared from his game again too thereafter.

    I'm sure there will be big regrets this morning as England needed to get the second goal when they were dominant.

    As they stopped playing after HT, the equaliser was inevitable and Italy were a little unlucky not to score 2 or 3 but for some excellent work from Pickford and Stones.

    Not sure how the pull back on Saka was only a yellow, that was utterly cynical old skool Italian defending.

    Overall, Italy were the best side in the tournament and you can't argue with 34 matches unbeaten, and coming through the hard half of the draw.

    Finally, so sad to see the thug and racist element of English football fans to the fore once more.
  • skyblueamateur
    skyblueamateur Posts: 1,498
    MattFalle said:

    As an aside though, what does Grealish actually do apart from being kicked?

    The commentators hailed him as the next best thing since Pele but after he came on? Not a lot really tbh....

    Er....nothing of note.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,592
    I don't see how it could be more than a yellow under the Laws. It wasn't a clear goal scoring chance as it was so far out. It was about as cynical as it gets and from Italy's point of view about as 'good' a yellow as you can get.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Pross said:

    I don't see how it could be more than a yellow under the Laws. It wasn't a clear goal scoring chance as it was so far out. It was about as cynical as it gets and from Italy's point of view about as 'good' a yellow as you can get.

    It's a professional sport - cynical doesn't mean it's a worse foul.
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  • skyblueamateur
    skyblueamateur Posts: 1,498
    Pross said:

    I don't see how it could be more than a yellow under the Laws. It wasn't a clear goal scoring chance as it was so far out. It was about as cynical as it gets and from Italy's point of view about as 'good' a yellow as you can get.

    Again, it's Chiellini's belting sh1thousery. As horrible as it is I did have a little chuckle about it.

    Two young sons went to bed in tears last night. Heartbreaking for them but the players and manager are a credit to this country with their conduct.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,025
    rick_chasey said:

    Pross said:

    I don't see how it could be more than a yellow under the Laws. It wasn't a clear goal scoring chance as it was so far out. It was about as cynical as it gets and from Italy's point of view about as 'good' a yellow as you can get.

    It's a professional sport - cynical doesn't mean it's a worse foul.
    Yes it does. Cynical gets a yellow when it otherwise it wouldn't be a yellow.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    TheBigBean said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Pross said:

    I don't see how it could be more than a yellow under the Laws. It wasn't a clear goal scoring chance as it was so far out. It was about as cynical as it gets and from Italy's point of view about as 'good' a yellow as you can get.

    It's a professional sport - cynical doesn't mean it's a worse foul.
    Yes it does. Cynical gets a yellow when it otherwise it wouldn't be a yellow.
    Really? I thought if the foul stops a potential goal storing opportunity (i.e. on the break but not last man) it's a yellow and if it's last man or the keeper it's red?

    Regardless of cynicism or otherwise.
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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    skyblueamateur said:

    MattFalle said:

    As an aside though, what does Grealish actually do apart from being kicked?

    The commentators hailed him as the next best thing since Pele but after he came on? Not a lot really tbh....

    Er....nothing of note.
    Grazie - I honestly honestly thought I was missing something.

    They were going on about this being a Grealish moment, the world has been waiting for this, the saviour of England, the whole tournament has been waiting for this and all it was was a bloke with an Alice band who didn't have his socks pulled up and fell over a lot.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,025
    rick_chasey said:

    TheBigBean said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Pross said:

    I don't see how it could be more than a yellow under the Laws. It wasn't a clear goal scoring chance as it was so far out. It was about as cynical as it gets and from Italy's point of view about as 'good' a yellow as you can get.

    It's a professional sport - cynical doesn't mean it's a worse foul.
    Yes it does. Cynical gets a yellow when it otherwise it wouldn't be a yellow.
    Really? I thought if the foul stops a potential goal storing opportunity (i.e. on the break but not last man) it's a yellow and if it's last man or the keeper it's red?

    Regardless of cynicism or otherwise.
    If it's a goal scoring opportunity that results in a penalty, but the player made a legitimate attempt to play the ball it is a yellow. If it is a cynical challenge or handball, then it is a red.

    If a player fouls someone in a genuine attempt to play the ball which also has the benefit of breaking up play, then it is often a yellow, but not always. If it was cynical, then it is always a yellow. This is why when committing a professional foul it is much better to put in lots of tiny kicks rather than a rugby tackle, because sometimes the former doesn't get a yellow.

    In the case last night, it would have been a yellow anywhere on the pitch in any circumstances. It was also a cynical attempt to break up play. For this, there is usually no bonus, but occasionally it upgrades the yellow to a red.

  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    MattFalle said:

    skyblueamateur said:

    MattFalle said:

    As an aside though, what does Grealish actually do apart from being kicked?

    The commentators hailed him as the next best thing since Pele but after he came on? Not a lot really tbh....

    Er....nothing of note.
    Grazie - I honestly honestly thought I was missing something.

    They were going on about this being a Grealish moment, the world has been waiting for this, the saviour of England, the whole tournament has been waiting for this and all it was was a bloke with an Alice band who didn't have his socks pulled up and fell over a lot.
    The housewives like him, he goes at defenders, draws a lot of fouls and can cross well, which is helpful when Kane is on your team. He's generally dangerous and also draws a lot of players towards him.

    He lacks the tactical discipline defending (which you saw a lot in the 20 mins he played against Denmark - their two ET chances came after his half-hearted pressing attempts), hence not being brought on sooner.

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  • skyblueamateur
    skyblueamateur Posts: 1,498
    MattFalle said:

    skyblueamateur said:

    MattFalle said:

    As an aside though, what does Grealish actually do apart from being kicked?

    The commentators hailed him as the next best thing since Pele but after he came on? Not a lot really tbh....

    Er....nothing of note.
    Grazie - I honestly honestly thought I was missing something.

    They were going on about this being a Grealish moment, the world has been waiting for this, the saviour of England, the whole tournament has been waiting for this and all it was was a bloke with an Alice band who didn't have his socks pulled up and fell over a lot.
    It's this in a nutshell. Really don't see the fuss at all.

    Was the 'most fouled player in the PL' stat brought out again last night?

    Big fish in a small pond at Villa and everyone is revering him as the next Maradona. Was more gutted Foden was out to be honest.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    MattFalle said:

    skyblueamateur said:

    MattFalle said:

    As an aside though, what does Grealish actually do apart from being kicked?

    The commentators hailed him as the next best thing since Pele but after he came on? Not a lot really tbh....

    Er....nothing of note.
    Grazie - I honestly honestly thought I was missing something.

    They were going on about this being a Grealish moment, the world has been waiting for this, the saviour of England, the whole tournament has been waiting for this and all it was was a bloke with an Alice band who didn't have his socks pulled up and fell over a lot.
    To keep people’s feet on the ground they should have shared my interesting list of things I have in common with Jack Grealish.
    No. 1. We have scored the same number of goals for England
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    skyblueamateur said:

    Pross said:

    I don't see how it could be more than a yellow under the Laws. It wasn't a clear goal scoring chance as it was so far out. It was about as cynical as it gets and from Italy's point of view about as 'good' a yellow as you can get.

    Again, it's Chiellini's belting sh1thousery. As horrible as it is I did have a little chuckle about it.

    Two young sons went to bed in tears last night. Heartbreaking for them but the players and manager are a credit to this country with their conduct.

    Imagine if your team had him and Ramos.

    That challenge is also a great example of why a sin bin would be good for football
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,610
    rick_chasey said:

    MattFalle said:

    skyblueamateur said:

    MattFalle said:

    As an aside though, what does Grealish actually do apart from being kicked?

    The commentators hailed him as the next best thing since Pele but after he came on? Not a lot really tbh....

    Er....nothing of note.
    Grazie - I honestly honestly thought I was missing something.

    They were going on about this being a Grealish moment, the world has been waiting for this, the saviour of England, the whole tournament has been waiting for this and all it was was a bloke with an Alice band who didn't have his socks pulled up and fell over a lot.
    The housewives like him, he goes at defenders, draws a lot of fouls and can cross well, which is helpful when Kane is on your team. He's generally dangerous and also draws a lot of players towards him.

    He lacks the tactical discipline defending (which you saw a lot in the 20 mins he played against Denmark - their two ET chances came after his half-hearted pressing attempts), hence not being brought on sooner.

    It would be helpful if your centre forward played as a centre forward and actually spent time in the box (as Shearer and Lineker did). Sadly Kane is awol from the box far too often.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Dorset_Boy said:

    rick_chasey said:

    MattFalle said:

    skyblueamateur said:

    MattFalle said:

    As an aside though, what does Grealish actually do apart from being kicked?

    The commentators hailed him as the next best thing since Pele but after he came on? Not a lot really tbh....

    Er....nothing of note.
    Grazie - I honestly honestly thought I was missing something.

    They were going on about this being a Grealish moment, the world has been waiting for this, the saviour of England, the whole tournament has been waiting for this and all it was was a bloke with an Alice band who didn't have his socks pulled up and fell over a lot.
    The housewives like him, he goes at defenders, draws a lot of fouls and can cross well, which is helpful when Kane is on your team. He's generally dangerous and also draws a lot of players towards him.

    He lacks the tactical discipline defending (which you saw a lot in the 20 mins he played against Denmark - their two ET chances came after his half-hearted pressing attempts), hence not being brought on sooner.

    It would be helpful if your centre forward played as a centre forward and actually spent time in the box (as Shearer and Lineker did). Sadly Kane is awol from the box far too often.
    When the ref stopped giving him soft free kicks he failed to adapt his game, same for Sterling
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,497
    MattFalle said:

    skyblueamateur said:

    MattFalle said:

    As an aside though, what does Grealish actually do apart from being kicked?

    The commentators hailed him as the next best thing since Pele but after he came on? Not a lot really tbh....

    Er....nothing of note.
    Grazie - I honestly honestly thought I was missing something.

    They were going on about this being a Grealish moment, the world has been waiting for this, the saviour of England, the whole tournament has been waiting for this and all it was was a bloke with an Alice band who didn't have his socks pulled up and fell over a lot.
    But that's the silly commentators - you can't blame him for those comments. Grealish caused problems. England regained a bit of momentum when Grealish came on and he was/is constantly fouled because he was a threat.
    So comfortable on the ball. Had Sterling capitalised on two passes from Grealish, you wouldn't all be so negative about him.
    'Socks not pulled up' ffs, is it a fashion competition? I don't think he wears shin guards and who cares.

    Chielini maybe should have been shown red for his foul on Sterling.
    England had a lousy second half.
    Sako is too young to be taking such an important penalty.

    2 international finals in 55 years is, for the amount of football we play, pathetic.
    56 million people in England. Think about that.
    It is only by virtue of foreign managers who bring top level coaching to England that we are managing to compete (just) at this level.
    Until we actually change the physical structure re.: Youth academies supported by the FA, Co-Ownership, statutory minimum release clauses for young players etc etc, we will never produce enough World class players to draw on.
    You cannot depend on 11 men having 'a good game'. Having a good game doesn't make a player world class. You need more than that, you need a depth of talent and technical ability.

    Name 10 current World class English players - go on.
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