Euro 2020/21 (more football, sorry Brian)
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He needed more than half a chance yesterday.seanoconn said:
Even if he’s non existent for 89mins he can still score with a half a chance, have faith.kingstongraham said:Kane still doesn't fit into that team. He needs to move like sterling if he's going to get chances. Currently he moves like the Ever Given.
If they are only going to try and break fast and put crosses into him in the last 10 minutes, bring him on as a sub.0 -
Was thinking the same, I was surprised they showed it. Probably not more than 30 people in the shots but I suspect there were a lot more around.mrb123 said:
BBC Breakfast had a lovely story about Stormzy going back to a house party after the match with a load of England fans. Didn't look very Covid-compliant to me.Pross said:Anyone wondering why the non-English people in the country quite often want England to lose they should look at this morning's TV coverage. You'd think they had just won the tournament not won a second round game. And that censored song!
The footage of behaviour afterwards doesn't look great with Covid rates surging.
Lucky there wasn't a far better sporting story yesterday that isn't getting a mention.0 -
Under pressure, big game, I’d rather the ball fell to Kane than anyone else.kingstongraham said:
He needed more than half a chance yesterday.seanoconn said:
Even if he’s non existent for 89mins he can still score with a half a chance, have faith.kingstongraham said:Kane still doesn't fit into that team. He needs to move like sterling if he's going to get chances. Currently he moves like the Ever Given.
If they are only going to try and break fast and put crosses into him in the last 10 minutes, bring him on as a sub.Pinno, מלך אידיוט וחרא מכונאי0 -
Even if you think this, isn't that a case of choosing the best striker rather than the best player for the system that the rest of the team actually play?seanoconn said:
Even if he’s non existent for 89mins he can still score with a half a chance, have faith.kingstongraham said:Kane still doesn't fit into that team. He needs to move like sterling if he's going to get chances. Currently he moves like the Ever Given.
If they are only going to try and break fast and put crosses into him in the last 10 minutes, bring him on as a sub.0 -
Would you seriously drop Kane?kingstongraham said:
Even if you think this, isn't that a case of choosing the best striker rather than the best player for the system that the rest of the team actually play?seanoconn said:
Even if he’s non existent for 89mins he can still score with a half a chance, have faith.kingstongraham said:Kane still doesn't fit into that team. He needs to move like sterling if he's going to get chances. Currently he moves like the Ever Given.
If they are only going to try and break fast and put crosses into him in the last 10 minutes, bring him on as a sub.
Or change a winning system to suit him?Pinno, מלך אידיוט וחרא מכונאי0 -
Sure, why would he be undroppable when he's not playing well in an otherwise well drilled system?seanoconn said:
Would you seriously drop Kane?kingstongraham said:
Even if you think this, isn't that a case of choosing the best striker rather than the best player for the system that the rest of the team actually play?seanoconn said:
Even if he’s non existent for 89mins he can still score with a half a chance, have faith.kingstongraham said:Kane still doesn't fit into that team. He needs to move like sterling if he's going to get chances. Currently he moves like the Ever Given.
If they are only going to try and break fast and put crosses into him in the last 10 minutes, bring him on as a sub.
Or change a winning system to suit him?0 -
It's just the news though. Don't forget plenty of pro riders have won spoty.Pross said:Anyone wondering why the non-English people in the country quite often want England to lose they should look at this morning's TV coverage. You'd think they had just won the tournament not won a second round game. And that censored song!
The footage of behaviour afterwards doesn't look great with Covid rates surging.
Lucky there wasn't a far better sporting story yesterday that isn't getting a mention.
I'm pleased for both but it's not changing my world.0 -
But if he is nonexistent for 359 minutes and then scores is that good enough? I think he is very lucky there is no credible alternativeseanoconn said:
Even if he’s non existent for 89mins he can still score with a half a chance, have faith.kingstongraham said:Kane still doesn't fit into that team. He needs to move like sterling if he's going to get chances. Currently he moves like the Ever Given.
If they are only going to try and break fast and put crosses into him in the last 10 minutes, bring him on as a sub.0 -
Do they not monitor them in training?Pross said:
Not sure why they can't build something into the shirt like they do in rugby.seanoconn said:
Technical wizardry or not, it’s still a crop top on a man 😕kingstongraham said:
Ah, probably gets a bonus for showing it on telly and making me ask about it.TheBigBean said:0 -
kingstongraham said:
Kane still doesn't fit into that team. He needs to move like sterling if he's going to get chances. Currently he moves like the Ever Given.
If they are only going to try and break fast and put crosses into him in the last 10 minutes, bring him on as a sub.
At the World Cup the tactic was to get it up to him quickly and then play for free kicks. He seems to have lost his diving boots.0 -
I think you have just succeeded in arguing against your own point.seanoconn said:
Would you seriously drop Kane?kingstongraham said:
Even if you think this, isn't that a case of choosing the best striker rather than the best player for the system that the rest of the team actually play?seanoconn said:
Even if he’s non existent for 89mins he can still score with a half a chance, have faith.kingstongraham said:Kane still doesn't fit into that team. He needs to move like sterling if he's going to get chances. Currently he moves like the Ever Given.
If they are only going to try and break fast and put crosses into him in the last 10 minutes, bring him on as a sub.
Or change a winning system to suit him?
You don't change a winning system to suit an individual.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
If we assume he is injured then I hope we have a plan in case he breaks down, I assume in training this works worse.seanoconn said:
Would you seriously drop Kane?kingstongraham said:
Even if you think this, isn't that a case of choosing the best striker rather than the best player for the system that the rest of the team actually play?seanoconn said:
Even if he’s non existent for 89mins he can still score with a half a chance, have faith.kingstongraham said:Kane still doesn't fit into that team. He needs to move like sterling if he's going to get chances. Currently he moves like the Ever Given.
If they are only going to try and break fast and put crosses into him in the last 10 minutes, bring him on as a sub.
Or change a winning system to suit him?
As we have no like for like replacement I guess it would be playing with a false nine which with our mix of players does not sound the worse idea.0 -
If he's going to be a false 9 which the system looks like it needs, he needs to move around more unpredictably and actually touch the ball.0
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Yes they do, which helps with providing base lines, and then, certainly in rugby, they are getting live feedback during the match to see when a player is becoming fatigued and likely to need to be subbed.surrey_commuter said:
Do they not monitor them in training?Pross said:
Not sure why they can't build something into the shirt like they do in rugby.seanoconn said:
Technical wizardry or not, it’s still a crop top on a man 😕kingstongraham said:
Ah, probably gets a bonus for showing it on telly and making me ask about it.TheBigBean said:0 -
I think the celebrations are fine - England are really a tier two team so beating big nations is worth celebrating.Pross said:Anyone wondering why the non-English people in the country quite often want England to lose they should look at this morning's TV coverage. You'd think they had just won the tournament not won a second round game. And that censored song!
The footage of behaviour afterwards doesn't look great with Covid rates surging.
Lucky there wasn't a far better sporting story yesterday that isn't getting a mention.
It is the fact that booing the German anthem is so normal it doesn't even get commented on. It was really loud.
Pathetic.1 -
Yes. The point is there is no credible alternative. Yes he’s as slow as a big slow thingy but he’s professionalism, attitude and belief are a level above any other British striker. The other 10 players want and need him in the team.surrey_commuter said:
But if he is nonexistent for 359 minutes and then scores is that good enough? I think he is very lucky there is no credible alternativeseanoconn said:
Even if he’s non existent for 89mins he can still score with a half a chance, have faith.kingstongraham said:Kane still doesn't fit into that team. He needs to move like sterling if he's going to get chances. Currently he moves like the Ever Given.
If they are only going to try and break fast and put crosses into him in the last 10 minutes, bring him on as a sub.Pinno, מלך אידיוט וחרא מכונאי0 -
If he got injured, who would take his place?seanoconn said:
Yes. The point is there is no credible alternative. Yes he’s as slow as a big slow thingy but he’s professionalism, attitude and belief are a level above any other British striker. The other 10 players want and need him in the team.surrey_commuter said:
But if he is nonexistent for 359 minutes and then scores is that good enough? I think he is very lucky there is no credible alternativeseanoconn said:
Even if he’s non existent for 89mins he can still score with a half a chance, have faith.kingstongraham said:Kane still doesn't fit into that team. He needs to move like sterling if he's going to get chances. Currently he moves like the Ever Given.
If they are only going to try and break fast and put crosses into him in the last 10 minutes, bring him on as a sub.0 -
You could see yesterday though, that Germany were doubling up on Kane. He's occupying two defenders, meaning there's space for Sterling and/or Sako to run into.pblakeney said:
I think you have just succeeded in arguing against your own point.seanoconn said:
Would you seriously drop Kane?kingstongraham said:
Even if you think this, isn't that a case of choosing the best striker rather than the best player for the system that the rest of the team actually play?seanoconn said:
Even if he’s non existent for 89mins he can still score with a half a chance, have faith.kingstongraham said:Kane still doesn't fit into that team. He needs to move like sterling if he's going to get chances. Currently he moves like the Ever Given.
If they are only going to try and break fast and put crosses into him in the last 10 minutes, bring him on as a sub.
Or change a winning system to suit him?
You don't change a winning system to suit an individual.
If you had, say Rashford up front, would they double up? No sure, as Rashford is more likely to be looking for a through ball or a ball over the top. Kane is looking for a ball to feet or played into the air.0 -
Without changing the system, it would have to be Dominic Calvert Lewin.kingstongraham said:
If he got injured, who would take his place?seanoconn said:
Yes. The point is there is no credible alternative. Yes he’s as slow as a big slow thingy but he’s professionalism, attitude and belief are a level above any other British striker. The other 10 players want and need him in the team.surrey_commuter said:
But if he is nonexistent for 359 minutes and then scores is that good enough? I think he is very lucky there is no credible alternativeseanoconn said:
Even if he’s non existent for 89mins he can still score with a half a chance, have faith.kingstongraham said:Kane still doesn't fit into that team. He needs to move like sterling if he's going to get chances. Currently he moves like the Ever Given.
If they are only going to try and break fast and put crosses into him in the last 10 minutes, bring him on as a sub.0 -
What about Foden? He's not a like for like replacement, but that's the point.0
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How do they calculate xg? I'd have thought those chances for Kane and Sterling were almost sitters / tap ins on the edge of the 6 yard box?rick_chasey said:
Is it calculated from the ratio of similar chances that actually result in a goal?0 -
Have thought Foden has been the best individual player when he's been on the pitch.
But that's probably why I'm not a football coach.0 -
It's some algo that calculates if all the players are roughly positioned as they are and the ball is in a certain place, what is the likelihood that chance is scored, based on how many of those similar chances previously were scored.elbowloh said:
How do they calculate xg? I'd have thought those chances for Kane and Sterling were almost sitters / tap ins on the edge of the 6 yard box?rick_chasey said:
Is it calculated from the ratio of similar chances that actually result in a goal?
There are some anomalies like own goals have a zero xg because if the way it's calcuated.
It's sort of best to use it as a guide for how many decent chances a team had. They're pretty irrelevant in tournament football but say in the league when you're playing 40 odd games, if in the first half of the season your team is regularly exceeding xg, you can expect them to trend downwards in the second half (which may not happen).0 -
pblakeney said:
I think you have just succeeded in arguing against your own point.seanoconn said:
Would you seriously drop Kane?kingstongraham said:
Even if you think this, isn't that a case of choosing the best striker rather than the best player for the system that the rest of the team actually play?seanoconn said:
Even if he’s non existent for 89mins he can still score with a half a chance, have faith.kingstongraham said:Kane still doesn't fit into that team. He needs to move like sterling if he's going to get chances. Currently he moves like the Ever Given.
If they are only going to try and break fast and put crosses into him in the last 10 minutes, bring him on as a sub.
Or change a winning system to suit him?
You don't change a winning system to suit an individual.
We changed a winning system for Germany. I'm on the fence with Kane it's a difficult one.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
One of things I hate about football stats is this. He should have done better. It was a good chance.rick_chasey said:Kane’s 45+1 chance doesn’t qualify on xG as he doesn’t get a shot away (good clearance from German defender)0 -
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It's better than shots on target, but still misses quite a bit of the game.rick_chasey said:yeah it's not perfect.
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Also, things like Sterling's goal. It is a goal a quick player will score, but a slow player is far less likely to score. Sterling is quick, so made it look easy. But then he is occupying that position, and the pass was made, in part, because he is quick.0
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