Euro 2020/21 (more football, sorry Brian)
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A very good analysis there. But as you say after years and years of "banter" it does wear a bit thin.First.Aspect said:
The impression I get is that comments about the Welsh are seen as being fair game, and given mostly in jest. That's not to say they aren't offensive if you are Welsh.womack said:
Trust me Surrey, as a Welshman who has lived in England for many years it is definitely out there.surrey_commuter said:
are you saying there is anti-Scottish/Welsh feeling?rick_chasey said:
I can assure you it's no better this side of the border either.First.Aspect said:
Febrile doesn't quite do it justice.
Anyway, back to football....
I have never seen it myself and the aulde enemy is considered to be Germany and Argentina
There is one chap who drinks in our pub who verhmently hates the Welsh and never tires of reminding you, ironically he has a holiday caravan in......yes North Wales!
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good pointDorset_Boy said:
Are you sure you haven't got confused with the first part SC?surrey_commuter said:
You are getting confused with the Pogba twins. There is the world beater who plays for Juventus and Italy and then there is his lesser gifted brother who plays for Man UtdMattFalle said:
yes he was but how many times before has he done nothing?rick_chasey said:
Did you watch the same game? He was outstanding against Germany.MattFalle said:
Grazie S/C - this completely.surrey_commuter said:Not sure if you lot are just winding MF up but this Italy team are very good and a game against France could go either way
No one expected us to be any good at all so all this is a bit bewildering to be truthful, but yup - anything at all could happen.
We've seen Pogba do nothing, Griezman be anonymous...... We get a decent couple of breaks, strong defence.....
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Nah, the one who plays for Man U is just as gifted, he just doesn't give a toss.surrey_commuter said:
You are getting confused with the Pogba twins. There is the world beater who plays for Juventus and Italy and then there is his lesser gifted brother who plays for Man UtdMattFalle said:
yes he was but how many times before has he done nothing?rick_chasey said:
Did you watch the same game? He was outstanding against Germany.MattFalle said:
Grazie S/C - this completely.surrey_commuter said:Not sure if you lot are just winding MF up but this Italy team are very good and a game against France could go either way
No one expected us to be any good at all so all this is a bit bewildering to be truthful, but yup - anything at all could happen.
We've seen Pogba do nothing, Griezman be anonymous...... We get a decent couple of breaks, strong defence.....
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This is a pet hate of mine. When player don't play well or as well fans accuse them of not caring enough. Rarely the case.elbowloh said:
Nah, the one who plays for Man U is just as gifted, he just doesn't give a toss.
Utd fans - it's probably because the other players he has around him in France give him the extra time and space to be really good.
Same logic with co-commentators when "x wants it more". At this level I really doubt it is to do with desire.0 -
Drink water!focuszing723 said:
Just a quick shout out to one of the Euro cup sponsors while no games are being played.Pinno, מלך אידיוט וחרא מכונאי0 -
Ukraine v North Macedonia at 2pm is the great test of commitment to watching literally any sport.1
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I'll be watchingkingstongraham said:Ukraine v North Macedonia at 2pm is the great test of commitment to watching literally any sport.
Re. the anti-English thing, when I was a lot younger I used to cheer on Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland against non-GB opposition, because we're friendly neighbours, right?
But that's all changed since I've actually been to Scotland and Wales. I've been shouted at to take my England shirt off in Wales (at a rugby union international), same thing in Aberdeen (football). Not to mention all the other verbal abuse just for being English and wearing a shirt that gives that away.
And let's not forget Scotch pubs giving away free beers every time the opposing side scored against England. All a bit of fun? Not really, it's racism.
Can you imagine if English pubs started doing that? E.g. free beers for every wicket taken against Pakistan/India/Windies. Or even 'anyone' scoring against the Scotch football side?
IndyRef2? Yes please, if Sco leave my tax bill will go down.1 -
You can see it with Pogba though at Man U when he's not up for it. Strolls around, not tracking back. Hate it all you like doesn't mean its not true.rick_chasey said:
This is a pet hate of mine. When player don't play well or as well fans accuse them of not caring enough. Rarely the case.elbowloh said:
Nah, the one who plays for Man U is just as gifted, he just doesn't give a toss.
Utd fans - it's probably because the other players he has around him in France give him the extra time and space to be really good.
Same logic with co-commentators when "x wants it more". At this level I really doubt it is to do with desire.0 -
Weren't his distance run stats pretty good at Utd the other year- I know stats don't tell the whole story but at least in terms of ground covered he wasn't slacking.
It's possible international football just suits him better - teams have less time to practice a press so probably press less hence time on the ball to get his head up - he's got Kante to mop up trouble and Mbappe, Benzema and Griezmann to put through.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
May I hazard a guess that you also moaned Berbatov was lazy too?elbowloh said:
You can see it with Pogba though at Man U when he's not up for it. Strolls around, not tracking back. Hate it all you like doesn't mean its not true.rick_chasey said:
This is a pet hate of mine. When player don't play well or as well fans accuse them of not caring enough. Rarely the case.elbowloh said:
Nah, the one who plays for Man U is just as gifted, he just doesn't give a toss.
Utd fans - it's probably because the other players he has around him in France give him the extra time and space to be really good.
Same logic with co-commentators when "x wants it more". At this level I really doubt it is to do with desire.0 -
Berbatov was quite popular.rick_chasey said:
May I hazard a guess that you also moaned Berbatov was lazy too?elbowloh said:
You can see it with Pogba though at Man U when he's not up for it. Strolls around, not tracking back. Hate it all you like doesn't mean its not true.rick_chasey said:
This is a pet hate of mine. When player don't play well or as well fans accuse them of not caring enough. Rarely the case.elbowloh said:
Nah, the one who plays for Man U is just as gifted, he just doesn't give a toss.
Utd fans - it's probably because the other players he has around him in France give him the extra time and space to be really good.
Same logic with co-commentators when "x wants it more". At this level I really doubt it is to do with desire.
Pogba isn't. Yes he is exasperating, but he was inconsistent at Juve as well. United fans are quite forgiving if they see a bit of magic every now and then.
No, the main issue with Pogba is his agent saying he wants to leave all the time. Everything follows from that.
Football agents all have a conflict of interest. You can't argue that Pogba has been well advised, leaving United when he did, then leaving Juve just as Ronaldo joined.
At least he has a couple of scudettos to show for it.0 -
No English pub could afford to do that! 🤣🤣🤣yearofthegoat said:
And let's not forget Scotch pubs giving away free beers every time the opposing side scored against England. All a bit of fun? Not really, it's racism.
Can you imagine if English pubs started doing that? E.g. free beers for every wicket taken against Pakistan/India/Windies. Or even 'anyone' scoring against the Scotch football side?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Good point though. If an English pub did that you can bet it would be raised in Holyrood and probably also by the shouty "but what about Scotland" bloke in Westminster.pblakeney said:
No English pub could afford to do that! 🤣🤣🤣yearofthegoat said:
And let's not forget Scotch pubs giving away free beers every time the opposing side scored against England. All a bit of fun? Not really, it's racism.
Can you imagine if English pubs started doing that? E.g. free beers for every wicket taken against Pakistan/India/Windies. Or even 'anyone' scoring against the Scotch football side?
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I think Pogba is a decent kind of guy really, behaves reasonable well on the pitch, not know for feigning injury or spitting venom at the oppo or referees.elbowloh said:
You can see it with Pogba though at Man U when he's not up for it. Strolls around, not tracking back. Hate it all you like doesn't mean its not true.rick_chasey said:
This is a pet hate of mine. When player don't play well or as well fans accuse them of not caring enough. Rarely the case.elbowloh said:
Nah, the one who plays for Man U is just as gifted, he just doesn't give a toss.
Utd fans - it's probably because the other players he has around him in France give him the extra time and space to be really good.
Same logic with co-commentators when "x wants it more". At this level I really doubt it is to do with desire.
He didn’t like Mourinho and couldn’t be bothered to play for him, he couldn’t be bothered when manu were going through a rough patch with Solskjær. Now United have hit a bit of form again and COVID means transfer options are limited, he’ll probably sign a new contract. Great player when motivated but I wouldn’t want him anywhere near the dressing room when he’s on a downer.Pinno, מלך אידיוט וחרא מכונאי0 -
Isn't that all of the group stages? 36 matches to eliminate 8 teams.kingstongraham said:Ukraine v North Macedonia at 2pm is the great test of commitment to watching literally any sport.
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No, because he delivered for his club.rick_chasey said:
May I hazard a guess that you also moaned Berbatov was lazy too?elbowloh said:
You can see it with Pogba though at Man U when he's not up for it. Strolls around, not tracking back. Hate it all you like doesn't mean its not true.rick_chasey said:
This is a pet hate of mine. When player don't play well or as well fans accuse them of not caring enough. Rarely the case.elbowloh said:
Nah, the one who plays for Man U is just as gifted, he just doesn't give a toss.
Utd fans - it's probably because the other players he has around him in France give him the extra time and space to be really good.
Same logic with co-commentators when "x wants it more". At this level I really doubt it is to do with desire.
I didn't say anything about being lazy, but rather being bothered / motivated. He's simply doesn't put as much effort in for Man U as he does from France or even as he did for Juve.
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Yes, but Portugal v France has more interest for the neutral than (dare I say) Czech Republic v Scotland.TheBigBean said:
Isn't that all of the group stages? 36 matches to eliminate 8 teams.kingstongraham said:Ukraine v North Macedonia at 2pm is the great test of commitment to watching literally any sport.
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It's our group though so maybe not the best example. 😉kingstongraham said:
Yes, but Portugal v France has more interest for the neutral than (dare I say) Czech Republic v Scotland.TheBigBean said:
Isn't that all of the group stages? 36 matches to eliminate 8 teams.kingstongraham said:Ukraine v North Macedonia at 2pm is the great test of commitment to watching literally any sport.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I've only seen one game so far. I used to watch Czech Republic to see Rosicky play, but you're right not much reason to watch it now.kingstongraham said:
Yes, but Portugal v France has more interest for the neutral than (dare I say) Czech Republic v Scotland.TheBigBean said:
Isn't that all of the group stages? 36 matches to eliminate 8 teams.kingstongraham said:Ukraine v North Macedonia at 2pm is the great test of commitment to watching literally any sport.
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When I lived in North Wales I noted with interest that there was no shortage of St George's Crosses that would appear in Windows and on cars during major football tournaments. Not having a football shirt, I'd wear my England Rugby shirt to the pub and receive a few dodgy looks that I'd return with a quizzical but pointed look at the Three Lions on their chest.Pross said:Oddly, in football, there tends to be less animosity to England from Welsh fans than Scots and more chance of the Welsh supporting England than you get in rugby. I remember watching an England match at my rugby club and most of the people in there were supporting England which wouldn't occur for a rugby international.
Shows how bullsh1t the whole thing is...
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Was that when North Wales' own Michael Owen was playing for England?ddraver said:
When I lived in North Wales I noted with interest that there was no shortage of St George's Crosses that would appear in Windows and on cars during major football tournaments. Not having a football shirt, I'd wear my England Rugby shirt to the pub and receive a few dodgy looks that I'd return with a quizzical but pointed look at the Three Lions on their chest.Pross said:Oddly, in football, there tends to be less animosity to England from Welsh fans than Scots and more chance of the Welsh supporting England than you get in rugby. I remember watching an England match at my rugby club and most of the people in there were supporting England which wouldn't occur for a rugby international.
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True, I was just picking out the next two lowest ranked teams who are meeting in the group stage.pblakeney said:
It's our group though so maybe not the best example. 😉kingstongraham said:
Yes, but Portugal v France has more interest for the neutral than (dare I say) Czech Republic v Scotland.TheBigBean said:
Isn't that all of the group stages? 36 matches to eliminate 8 teams.kingstongraham said:Ukraine v North Macedonia at 2pm is the great test of commitment to watching literally any sport.
Today's is unbeatable though, a group that has teams ranked 16th, 23rd, 24th and 62nd in the world.0 -
You know you can ignore the ranking though when England are sitting in 4th!kingstongraham said:
True, I was just picking out the next two lowest ranked teams who are meeting in the group stage.pblakeney said:
It's our group though so maybe not the best example. 😉kingstongraham said:
Yes, but Portugal v France has more interest for the neutral than (dare I say) Czech Republic v Scotland.TheBigBean said:
Isn't that all of the group stages? 36 matches to eliminate 8 teams.kingstongraham said:Ukraine v North Macedonia at 2pm is the great test of commitment to watching literally any sport.
Today's is unbeatable though, a group that has teams ranked 16th, 23rd, 24th and 62nd in the world.0 -
yup.elbowloh said:
You know you can ignore the ranking though when England are sitting in 4th!kingstongraham said:
True, I was just picking out the next two lowest ranked teams who are meeting in the group stage.pblakeney said:
It's our group though so maybe not the best example. 😉kingstongraham said:
Yes, but Portugal v France has more interest for the neutral than (dare I say) Czech Republic v Scotland.TheBigBean said:
Isn't that all of the group stages? 36 matches to eliminate 8 teams.kingstongraham said:Ukraine v North Macedonia at 2pm is the great test of commitment to watching literally any sport.
Today's is unbeatable though, a group that has teams ranked 16th, 23rd, 24th and 62nd in the world.
theres no way england should be that high..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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https://eloratings.net/Europeelbowloh said:
You know you can ignore the ranking though when England are sitting in 4th!kingstongraham said:
True, I was just picking out the next two lowest ranked teams who are meeting in the group stage.pblakeney said:
It's our group though so maybe not the best example. 😉kingstongraham said:
Yes, but Portugal v France has more interest for the neutral than (dare I say) Czech Republic v Scotland.TheBigBean said:
Isn't that all of the group stages? 36 matches to eliminate 8 teams.kingstongraham said:Ukraine v North Macedonia at 2pm is the great test of commitment to watching literally any sport.
Today's is unbeatable though, a group that has teams ranked 16th, 23rd, 24th and 62nd in the world.
Elo's a bit better
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MattFalle said:
yup.elbowloh said:
You know you can ignore the ranking though when England are sitting in 4th!kingstongraham said:
True, I was just picking out the next two lowest ranked teams who are meeting in the group stage.pblakeney said:
It's our group though so maybe not the best example. 😉kingstongraham said:
Yes, but Portugal v France has more interest for the neutral than (dare I say) Czech Republic v Scotland.TheBigBean said:
Isn't that all of the group stages? 36 matches to eliminate 8 teams.kingstongraham said:Ukraine v North Macedonia at 2pm is the great test of commitment to watching literally any sport.
Today's is unbeatable though, a group that has teams ranked 16th, 23rd, 24th and 62nd in the world.
theres no way england should be that high.
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9th, 21st, 29th and 64th.rick_chasey said:
https://eloratings.net/Europeelbowloh said:
You know you can ignore the ranking though when England are sitting in 4th!kingstongraham said:
True, I was just picking out the next two lowest ranked teams who are meeting in the group stage.pblakeney said:
It's our group though so maybe not the best example. 😉kingstongraham said:
Yes, but Portugal v France has more interest for the neutral than (dare I say) Czech Republic v Scotland.TheBigBean said:
Isn't that all of the group stages? 36 matches to eliminate 8 teams.kingstongraham said:Ukraine v North Macedonia at 2pm is the great test of commitment to watching literally any sport.
Today's is unbeatable though, a group that has teams ranked 16th, 23rd, 24th and 62nd in the world.
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Yeah though strictly speaking you want to talk about scores as that's more indicative.kingstongraham said:
9th, 21st, 29th and 64th.rick_chasey said:
https://eloratings.net/Europeelbowloh said:
You know you can ignore the ranking though when England are sitting in 4th!kingstongraham said:
True, I was just picking out the next two lowest ranked teams who are meeting in the group stage.pblakeney said:
It's our group though so maybe not the best example. 😉kingstongraham said:
Yes, but Portugal v France has more interest for the neutral than (dare I say) Czech Republic v Scotland.TheBigBean said:
Isn't that all of the group stages? 36 matches to eliminate 8 teams.kingstongraham said:Ukraine v North Macedonia at 2pm is the great test of commitment to watching literally any sport.
Today's is unbeatable though, a group that has teams ranked 16th, 23rd, 24th and 62nd in the world.
Elo's a bit better
There's a razor thin gap between France and Belgium, a much bigger gap to Portugal.0 -
I'm not quite that old, but not much later (I think...as you may have noticed, I'm not super in to the kickball)elbowloh said:
Was that when North Wales' own Michael Owen was playing for England?ddraver said:
When I lived in North Wales I noted with interest that there was no shortage of St George's Crosses that would appear in Windows and on cars during major football tournaments. Not having a football shirt, I'd wear my England Rugby shirt to the pub and receive a few dodgy looks that I'd return with a quizzical but pointed look at the Three Lions on their chest.Pross said:Oddly, in football, there tends to be less animosity to England from Welsh fans than Scots and more chance of the Welsh supporting England than you get in rugby. I remember watching an England match at my rugby club and most of the people in there were supporting England which wouldn't occur for a rugby international.
Shows how bullsh1t the whole thing is...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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They had some hits but I wouldn't rate them that high. 😉rick_chasey said:
https://eloratings.net/Europeelbowloh said:
You know you can ignore the ranking though when England are sitting in 4th!kingstongraham said:
True, I was just picking out the next two lowest ranked teams who are meeting in the group stage.pblakeney said:
It's our group though so maybe not the best example. 😉kingstongraham said:
Yes, but Portugal v France has more interest for the neutral than (dare I say) Czech Republic v Scotland.TheBigBean said:
Isn't that all of the group stages? 36 matches to eliminate 8 teams.kingstongraham said:Ukraine v North Macedonia at 2pm is the great test of commitment to watching literally any sport.
Today's is unbeatable though, a group that has teams ranked 16th, 23rd, 24th and 62nd in the world.
Elo's a bit betterThe above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0
