Giro 2021:- Stage 11: Perugia – Montalcino 162 km
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How on Earth do you come to that conclusion?rick_chasey said:Not great for the rest of the race.
Bigger gaps generally make for earlier attacks."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Ciccone blew up big time.0
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Soler must have absolutely detonated. He upped the pace on the front of the group with about 12km to go, then only beat Evenepoel by 10 seconds.0
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A lot can happen . Bernal is making a lot of big explosive effortsrick_chasey said:Not great for the rest of the race.
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Behind nibali ?Pross said:Ciccone blew up big time.
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Some long climbs to come.0
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The last 70 k was super intense"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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Remco lost a simlar amount of time to Bernal today, than Basso did to Evans in 2010. Still a lot of time for things to change0
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Dan Martin lost almost 10 minutes
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I thought it might be a bit of an anti-climax when Remco was allowed to get back after the first gravel section. They seemed content for a while to just ride on. Glad to be proved wrong though.0
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As in that race, we have the Zoncolan on the menu too.takethehighroad said:Remco lost a simlar amount of time to Bernal today, than Basso did to Evans in 2010. Still a lot of time for things to change
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Tomorrow's stage with two cat 2 climbs isn't too hard, according to inrng, then Friday is pan flat sprint stage, so a couple of days restitution before Zoncolan on Saturday. I think he's probably measuring his efforts pretty wellRichN95. said:Pross said:I just hope he isn't making the same mistake as Yates did a few years ago and burning too many matches.
Maybe, but I don't think there's anyone of the stature of Froome or the consistency of Dumoulin in the field behind him. It's Bernal v Bernal's back at the moment.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
takethehighroad said:
Remco lost a simlar amount of time to Bernal today, than Basso did to Evans in 2010. Still a lot of time for things to change
Basso was a proven GT contender with the best team in the race though. He was also over a minute ahead of Evans before that stage thanks to a TTT.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Depends how one defines "not too hard", after today's huge effort.No_Ta_Doctor said:
Tomorrow's stage with two cat 2 climbs isn't too hard, according to inrng, then Friday is pan flat sprint stage, so a couple of days restitution before Zoncolan on Saturday. I think he's probably measuring his efforts pretty wellRichN95. said:Pross said:I just hope he isn't making the same mistake as Yates did a few years ago and burning too many matches.
Maybe, but I don't think there's anyone of the stature of Froome or the consistency of Dumoulin in the field behind him. It's Bernal v Bernal's back at the moment.
Over 210 kms and almost 4000 metres of climbing, with again, the majority of it in the second half of the stage. Not that the first half is flat either.
I think it's an ideal stage for the breakaway again, but I wouldn't completely rule out a team trying something."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
The GC looks quite well poised really. Yates and Carthy could both create problems in the high mountains and Remco can pull quite a bit back in the TT based on the Stage 1 times (with the usual week 3 / unknown performance in a GT caveats) so still lots to play for plus Vlasov within striking distance. There's certainly not much scope for a bad day there yet.0
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FWIW Bardet finished together with Remco...blazing_saddles said:
Cough, cough.No_Ta_Doctor said:Surprised nobody has mentioned Bardet. Might not be in stunning form but he's only 1'21" back and can handle the gravel
Favourites 11th stage 2021 Giro d’Italia
*** Egan Bernal, Giulio Ciccone, Davide Formolo, Romain Bardet,
** Gianni Moscon, Remco Evenepoel, Aleksandr Vlasov, Diego Ulissi, Alberto Bettiol, Gianluca Brambilla
* Gianni Vermeersch, Quinten Hermans, Pello Bilbao, João Almeida, Simon Carr
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Ouffr0bh said:Dan Martin lost almost 10 minutes
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Well bernal to over cook it or not?"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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In defence of Blazing Saddles, and of Romain Bardet, as far as I noticed, Bardet was with the Bernal group until the last steep climb (when the group started to fall apart as Bernal went after Buchmann), and even then I don't know if it was just too hard for him or if he had a technical hitch.dish_dash said:
FWIW Bardet finished together with Remco...blazing_saddles said:
Cough, cough.No_Ta_Doctor said:Surprised nobody has mentioned Bardet. Might not be in stunning form but he's only 1'21" back and can handle the gravel
Favourites 11th stage 2021 Giro d’Italia
*** Egan Bernal, Giulio Ciccone, Davide Formolo, Romain Bardet,
** Gianni Moscon, Remco Evenepoel, Aleksandr Vlasov, Diego Ulissi, Alberto Bettiol, Gianluca Brambilla
* Gianni Vermeersch, Quinten Hermans, Pello Bilbao, João Almeida, Simon Carr
BS's most off-the-mark *** tip was Formolo, but many experts tipped Formolo to finish top-6 if not as victor. BS's total most off-the-mark tip was Simon Carr (came in 120th).
The rider who most fooled himself was Gianni Vermeersch (came in 80th) who said beforehand “I've dreamed of this stage for weeks. I hope I can get away quickly with a break and have a good day. In the ideal scenario, I'll start the last ascent with a good lead ahead of the favorites“. He never got in the break; the Alpecin man there was Dries De Bondt.0 -
Surely Vermeesch and Carr are top picks based on the fact they get themselves in the break.
If they don't manage to make the break, they automatically lose their top pick status0 -
Carr was 9th in Strade Bianche this year, at his first attempt, so I thought he was worth a star.jimmyjams said:
In defence of Blazing Saddles, and of Romain Bardet, as far as I noticed, Bardet was with the Bernal group until the last steep climb (when the group started to fall apart as Bernal went after Buchmann), and even then I don't know if it was just too hard for him or if he had a technical hitch.dish_dash said:
FWIW Bardet finished together with Remco...blazing_saddles said:
Cough, cough.No_Ta_Doctor said:Surprised nobody has mentioned Bardet. Might not be in stunning form but he's only 1'21" back and can handle the gravel
Favourites 11th stage 2021 Giro d’Italia
*** Egan Bernal, Giulio Ciccone, Davide Formolo, Romain Bardet,
** Gianni Moscon, Remco Evenepoel, Aleksandr Vlasov, Diego Ulissi, Alberto Bettiol, Gianluca Brambilla
* Gianni Vermeersch, Quinten Hermans, Pello Bilbao, João Almeida, Simon Carr
BS's most off-the-mark *** tip was Formolo, but many experts tipped Formolo to finish top-6 if not as victor. BS's total most off-the-mark tip was Simon Carr (came in 120th).
I expected more from Alpecin's other classics success story: Gianni Vermeersch
Quinten Hermans was in the lead group quite late on, until he had to give Taaramae his wheel........not that it did much good.
As to the UAE duo of Formolo and Ulissi, we will have to wait for the dust to settle to find out what mishap they suffered.
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
I wouldn't criticise anyone's tips before the stage - I don't think any of them were especially stupid with the benefit solely of foresight.0
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I don't think anybody was being critical, more just analysing my picks.Lanterne_Rogue said:I wouldn't criticise anyone's tips before the stage - I don't think any of them were especially stupid with the benefit solely of foresight.
I am getting a bit worried that my "favourites for the stage" lists are starting to look a bit Kirby-like: I am now whatabouting half the peloton!
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.2 -
You need some more puns, and a ton more bidon tooting before you are even close.blazing_saddles said:
I don't think anybody was being critical, more just analysing my picks.Lanterne_Rogue said:I wouldn't criticise anyone's tips before the stage - I don't think any of them were especially stupid with the benefit solely of foresight.
I am getting a bit worried that my "favourites for the stage" lists are starting to look a bit Kirby-like: I am now whatabouting half the peloton!
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Dan Martin didn't want to take the risk on the gravel and rode his own pace.
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I wasn't being critical, just as you say reporting. I also recognise there was some merit in suggesting, as well as the obvious GC favourites, people like Formolo, Bettiol, even Vermeersch as well as Moscon and ("I felt good, I had a chance to beat the best, but I had to follow orders to wait for Remco. Do I feel disappointed? I'd rather be silent than say what I think“) Almeida, had Mo and Al been free of team duties.blazing_saddles said:
I don't think anybody was being critical, more just analysing my picks.Lanterne_Rogue said:I wouldn't criticise anyone's tips before the stage - I don't think any of them were especially stupid with the benefit solely of foresight.
I am getting a bit worried that my "favourites for the stage" lists are starting to look a bit Kirby-like: I am now whatabouting half the peloton!
I recognise it is not easy to suggest winners – in last year's Giro or Tour (I forget which) when the challenge was thrown out for someone else to suggest winners, I was the only one to give it a go, so I know how hard it is. And I think my suggestions only fared about the same as the 'official' favourites in that day's preview/spoiler thread, no better.
Keep up the good work! And thanks.0 -
Is that what Moscon actually said? What a git.jimmyjams said:
I wasn't being critical, just as you say reporting. I also recognise there was some merit in suggesting, as well as the obvious GC favourites, people like Formolo, Bettiol, even Vermeersch as well as Moscon and ("I felt good, I had a chance to beat the best, but I had to follow orders to wait for Remco. Do I feel disappointed? I'd rather be silent than say what I think“) Almeida, had Mo and Al been free of team duties.blazing_saddles said:
I don't think anybody was being critical, more just analysing my picks.Lanterne_Rogue said:I wouldn't criticise anyone's tips before the stage - I don't think any of them were especially stupid with the benefit solely of foresight.
I am getting a bit worried that my "favourites for the stage" lists are starting to look a bit Kirby-like: I am now whatabouting half the peloton!
I recognise it is not easy to suggest winners – in last year's Giro or Tour (I forget which) when the challenge was thrown out for someone else to suggest winners, I was the only one to give it a go, so I know how hard it is. And I think my suggestions only fared about the same as the 'official' favourites in that day's preview/spoiler thread, no better.
Keep up the good work! And thanks.0 -
I know Moson is a soft target for criticism but why would he be waiting for Remco?bobmcstuff said:
Is that what Moscon actually said? What a git.jimmyjams said:
I wasn't being critical, just as you say reporting. I also recognise there was some merit in suggesting, as well as the obvious GC favourites, people like Formolo, Bettiol, even Vermeersch as well as Moscon and ("I felt good, I had a chance to beat the best, but I had to follow orders to wait for Remco. Do I feel disappointed? I'd rather be silent than say what I think“) Almeida, had Mo and Al been free of team duties.blazing_saddles said:
I don't think anybody was being critical, more just analysing my picks.Lanterne_Rogue said:I wouldn't criticise anyone's tips before the stage - I don't think any of them were especially stupid with the benefit solely of foresight.
I am getting a bit worried that my "favourites for the stage" lists are starting to look a bit Kirby-like: I am now whatabouting half the peloton!
I recognise it is not easy to suggest winners – in last year's Giro or Tour (I forget which) when the challenge was thrown out for someone else to suggest winners, I was the only one to give it a go, so I know how hard it is. And I think my suggestions only fared about the same as the 'official' favourites in that day's preview/spoiler thread, no better.
Keep up the good work! And thanks.
JJ's post clearly attributes the quote to Joao Almeida."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
It's what Almeida saidbobmcstuff said:
Is that what Moscon actually said? What a git.jimmyjams said:
I wasn't being critical, just as you say reporting. I also recognise there was some merit in suggesting, as well as the obvious GC favourites, people like Formolo, Bettiol, even Vermeersch as well as Moscon and ("I felt good, I had a chance to beat the best, but I had to follow orders to wait for Remco. Do I feel disappointed? I'd rather be silent than say what I think“) Almeida, had Mo and Al been free of team duties.blazing_saddles said:
I don't think anybody was being critical, more just analysing my picks.Lanterne_Rogue said:I wouldn't criticise anyone's tips before the stage - I don't think any of them were especially stupid with the benefit solely of foresight.
I am getting a bit worried that my "favourites for the stage" lists are starting to look a bit Kirby-like: I am now whatabouting half the peloton!
I recognise it is not easy to suggest winners – in last year's Giro or Tour (I forget which) when the challenge was thrown out for someone else to suggest winners, I was the only one to give it a go, so I know how hard it is. And I think my suggestions only fared about the same as the 'official' favourites in that day's preview/spoiler thread, no better.
Keep up the good work! And thanks.0 -
On the subject of tipping, there was an interesting comment from Ned Boulting on his podcast with David Millar - Matt Rendel had sent him the stage results from a 2019 race featuring gravel, where an even younger Evenepoel had again apparently struggled.
(edit - relevant to tipping as this was apparently before the stage)0
